The Ratings Thread (Part 41)

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Pizzatheaction

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“XFactoir and Strictly are still clashing for a little bit anyway so the papers will run with that story on Sunday morning! So thats two bad things for Itv and XFactor: they will lose the 5minute clash against SCD and also lose viewers because its finishing at an inappapropriate time. Lose-lose situation.”

The last five minutes of Strictly are taken up with the phone numbers, so the figure might dip quite markedly.

LW09

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“The last five minutes of Strictly are taken up with the phone numbers, so the figure might dip quite markedly.”

In addition to that, X Factor might not even start until 8.22pm when SCD will almost certainly be wrapping up or even finishing. All viewers of both are likely to miss is the recap at the beginning and at a push, the judges introductions.

Hassaan13

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Georged123:
“Just source Rzt's post, you can't get a better source than Rzt when it comes to ratings.”

Sure the Wikipedia admins will consider it a viable source?

Pizzatheaction

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Of course BBC1 might not have told the media centre that they were inserting an extra Panorama into the schedule, I mean they barely bothered to inform anyone else until it too late, so they might not have noticed the was a spare Who Do you think you are still to show, so maybe Brazil will be delayed a week, or not of course depending on the scheduling mysteries.”

I'd put Brazil on Sundays at 9pm. Michael Palin was promoted to the Sunday slot in 1997 after the success of his first two series in 1989 and 1992. Seems a shame to push what could be his final series back to Wednesdays.

Marr's History could be split into two runs, with the second half of the series being found the exceptionally soft slot it obviously needs sometime next year.

PetraBlake

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I've always thought that a period drama set in a big shop doesn't sound as appealling as a period drama set in a stately home or a period drama about midwifes working in a deprived part of London. Besides which, all the best storylines about a department store have already been used by Are You Being Served?.

I can't help thinking The Paradise would have done better on Sundays at 8pm even against X Factor. Does anybody on this thread watch The Paradise? Can you say if there's anything in it that would stop it being shown before the 9 o'clock watershed?”

I watch it, and like it. There is nothing so far to prevent its earlier showing before the 9pm watershed. It would certainly have been a good fit for Sunday evening, and would have pulled in a bigger audience. Second episode was very good, hope there is more like that to come.

Glenn A

04-10-2012

Best Possible Taste did well for BBC Four last night. I think a repeat on BBC Two in a few months time would be a good idea.

davey_wavey

04-10-2012

That E4 rating for Hollyoaks is the stand out rating of last night fo me. It's really surprising to see a rise so quickly. It just goes to show how the quality of the show has shot up so quickly.

sn_22

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“If that's the case surely they could've aired it tonight and pushed Hunted back a week? ”

I think that's just Hunted taking precedence - and rightly so. They've been trailing it for weeks and it's a big hope for them. It doesn't make sense to bump it unnecessarily.

WDYTYA is a stalwart and the sort of show where losing an episode doesn't matter. They can bolt it onto the next series and no-one other than us telly anoraks would be any the wiser.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I always thought NBC thrashed the other networks when it came to airing the likes of the Presidential debate? Obviously not though the post-debate coverage did well in comparison to the other networks.”

I think those numbers have more to do with lead-in. The two news leaders - NBC and ABC - were coming from 5-6m rated comedies while CBS had 10m for Survivor. And, of course, they're airing exactly the same footage and everything with nothing to distinguish one network from the other. It's telling that NBC and ABC pulled ahead for their own post-debate coverage.

Fox is the anomaly in the figures, but thats probably because their broadcast network doesn't have its own national news operation - so Fox viewers would view it on Fox News.

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I'd put Brazil on Sundays at 9pm. Michael Palin was promoted to the Sunday slot in 1997 after the success of his first two series in 1989 and 1992. Seems a shame to push what could be his final series back to Wednesdays.”

Didn't we all say very much the same thing about Frozen Planet this time last year?

I know Sundays is the 'big' slot for most of the year round - but as I keep hammering away at, it's a horrible assignment for BBC One in Quarter 4. As evidenced by Marr.

theonlyweeman

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Will Toy Story 3, The Karate Kid (2010 remake) and Home Alone be shown on TV in the coming months?”

One more year for Toy Story 3, Disney films have an extended Premium Cable run, and the BBC will save it for Christmas or Easter.

Another year for The Karate Kid, but that's because Channel 5 are lazy....

welshfoxy

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by davey_wavey:
“That E4 rating for Hollyoaks is the stand out rating of last night fo me. It's really surprising to see a rise so quickly. It just goes to show how the quality of the show has shot up so quickly.”

Hollyoaks is very underrated, and admittedly most of it is self inflicted. When it's good it's really good, and there are plenty of good characters and ongoing stories. It just goes through bad patches way too often and for far too long. If it were consistent, it'd be the best soap.

C14E

04-10-2012

FOX have now said Kitchen Nightmares will premiere on Friday 26th of October and Touch has been benched until January. Which means there's no obvious plan for Mondays at 9pm. They could fill as many as three (or just one) week with baseball coverage. But there's still no word on The Mob Doctor although it's hard to see them sticking with it much longer (let alone into November). They're really a bit short this season.

Score

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by C14E:
“FOX have now said Kitchen Nightmares will premiere on Friday 26th of October and Touch has been benched until January. Which means there's no obvious plan for Mondays at 9pm. They could fill as many as three (or just one) week with baseball coverage. But there's still no word on The Mob Doctor although it's hard to see them sticking with it much longer (let alone into November). They're really a bit short this season.”

They could really do with another drama. I think their best option is to shift Glee to Mondays in November alongside Bones (probably Glee at 8pm and Bones at 9pm). Thursday could just have an X Factor recap hour at 8pm leading into the results show at 9pm. Then in midseason Thursdays could be Idol at 8pm and The Following at 9pm. It's not ideal but if they don't want to move Kitchen Nightmares to Monday/Thursday then I don't think they've got any better options. Touch and Fringe wouldn't do any better than Mob Doctor on Mondays anyway.

C14E

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Score:
“They could really do with another drama. I think their best option is to shift Glee to Mondays in November alongside Bones (probably Glee at 8pm and Bones at 9pm). Thursday could just have an X Factor recap hour at 8pm leading into the results show at 9pm. Then in midseason Thursdays could be Idol at 8pm and The Following at 9pm. It's not ideal but if they don't want to move Kitchen Nightmares to Monday/Thursday then I don't think they've got any better options. Touch and Fringe wouldn't do any better than Mob Doctor on Mondays anyway.”

Glee was already down to a 2.4 last Thursday out of a 3.5 for the second half hour of X Factor. Move it to Monday against The Voice with a Bones lead-in and it's going to be even worse.

I'm not even convinced that they'll do it midseason. I'd premiere The Following on Mondays at 9pm and just give it a repeat after Thursday Idol. With DWTS dying, CBS a bit weaker and no drama competition at all I think there is room for a good drama, marketed effectively, to do well on a Monday night.

I guess they might just coast on Bones repeats, double bills, baseball, maybe some specials, the odd X Factor clip show... not sure if they've got any reality series ready to go?

Brekkie

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by C14E:
“We've talked about it with regard to ITV but I think Channel 4 could really do with taking a more structured approach to their commissioning and scheduling. Scheduling at C4 is far harder than at ITV or BBC1. Not only do they have to work around BBC1 and ITV1, but they don't have 7-9pm roped off like the big two do with soaps, The One Show and some filler PSB. They have 8-11pm just about every night of the week to be filled. Just now they have series coming and going in all kinds of slots for different lengths from series to series. Someone mentioned 8 out of 10 Cats which seems to have no obvious pattern. We've seen the mess with comedy pilots. First of all they need to balance up all the lifestyle stuff with more comedy and drama (both UK and imported). They need some kind of strategy that's going to allow them to, 12 months down the line, have a more organised and balanced schedule.”

I'd actually say (and have said many times) that C4 scheduling is actually not that difficult if they keep it simple. I guess the problem is filling slots which should be dedicated to say drama and comedy when you haven't got the budget.

4producers used to have a sample schedule online - it's gone now but was basically lifestyle shows at 8pm, factual shows at 9pm (popular factual on Tue/Wed, more serious stuff Mon/Thu), original or imported drama at 10pm, then comedy on Friday and generally factual and a film at the weekend,

That model served C4 well for most of the last decade and people knew where to find stuff - Tuesdays for example you generally had a property show at 8pm, a popular factual format like Wife Swap, Kitchen Nightmares or Faking It at 9pm then original UK drama at 10pm. Now that sort of stuff is just all over the schedules, and so much of it is now just cheap derivatives of what has been before.

It's amazing really how much more resiliant the E4 audience has been - even though at peak times now the C4 airing is still a good million down on where it was a few years ago the First Look episodes are peaking at around the same level.

NeilVW

04-10-2012

Previous Palin travelogues, and their ratings performance where available:

Spoiler

I'd forgotten how well Sahara, Himalaya and New Europe did.

C14E

04-10-2012

FOX News were no doubt delighted at how Obama flopped last night in the first Presidential debate and the ratings give them even more to smile about as they topped all broadcast competition.

9:00-10:30PM (actual debate)

FNC: 10,421,380 in total viewers (2,932,907 in 25-54)

CNN: 6,045,109 in total viewers (2,368,589 in 25-54)

MSNBC: 4,710,511 in total viewers (1,852,629 in 25-54)

Broadcast Fast Nationals 9-10:30PM:

CBS 10,176,000

ABC 10,117,000

NBC 9,914,000

FOX 6,977,000

8:00-11:00PM (primetime coverage)

FNC: 8,181,448 in total viewers (2,159,809 in 25-54)

CNN: 4,763,003 in total viewers (1,851,207 in 25-54)

MSNBC: 3,913,759 in total viewers (1,481,901 in 25-54)

Salv*

04-10-2012

Again, Hollyoaks Ch4 beats the yearly high from the day before I think, and that is one of the highest E4 Hollyoaks episode ratings ever. Brilliant for E4.

C14E

04-10-2012

X Factor USA adjusted up in finals to a 3.5, which ties its season high. Guys With Kids down to a 1.6. Supernatural holds its 0.8.

Score

04-10-2012

Impressive for XF to improve to a 3.5 considering it was only one hour - it would probably have got a 3.7/3.8 had it been a full 2 hour edition. Animal Practice is dead but Guys With Kids is showing a bit of promise in growing out of it - it might be worth giving that one a shot after Go On on Tuesdays.

Originally Posted by C14E:
“Glee was already down to a 2.4 last Thursday out of a 3.5 for the second half hour of X Factor. Move it to Monday against The Voice with a Bones lead-in and it's going to be even worse.

I'm not even convinced that they'll do it midseason. I'd premiere The Following on Mondays at 9pm and just give it a repeat after Thursday Idol. With DWTS dying, CBS a bit weaker and no drama competition at all I think there is room for a good drama, marketed effectively, to do well on a Monday night.

I guess they might just coast on Bones repeats, double bills, baseball, maybe some specials, the odd X Factor clip show... not sure if they've got any reality series ready to go?”

Glee is on its last legs anyway so to give it the Idol lead-in would be a waste. Grey's is damaging where it is now too. It could probably get a 2.0 on Mondays which would be just about acceptable considering how everything else has gone for them there.

I agree in principle that there's room for a drama on Mondays at 9pm I think it's just too risky for FOX to launch their big new hope there straight away. Give it this season out of Idol and then perhaps look at moving it to Mondays next season if it does well enough.

If they don't move Glee to Mondays in November though then yeah they'll probably do what you've said. They've got a few episodes of Mobbed yet to air but whether they'll actually bother with those is another matter...

Bex.

04-10-2012

just seen TMO: The Gossip advertised for Saturday on ITV2 it's not being shown until 11:30pm

comedy89

04-10-2012

Very positive reviews about Red Dwarf on Dave. Should be a nice figure.

iaindb

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Previous Palin travelogues, and their ratings performance where available:

Spoiler

1. Around the World in 80 Days (7 eps, Wed 11/10/89 - Wed 22/11/89)
* final episode had "over 12 million viewers" (Source: Michael Palin)

2. Pole to Pole (8 eps, Wed 21/10/92 - Wed 09/12/92?)

3. Full Circle (10 eps, Sun 31/08/97 - Sun 09/11/97)

4. Hemingway Adventure (4 eps, Sun 9pm 17/10/99 - 07/11/99?)
* ep 1: 6.41m consolidated opposite Heartbeart (13.29m) / Cold Feet (8.64m)
* remainder of series failed to make BBC1 top 30

5. Sahara (4 eps, Sun 7pm 13/10/02 - Sun 7pm 03/11/02)
* ep 1: 8.49m consolidated opposite New You've Been Framed (6.11m) / Coronation Street (11.58m)
* ep 2: 8.15m consolidated opposite New You've Been Framed (6.06m) / Coronation Street (11.97m)
* ep 3: 8.24m consolidated opposite New You've Been Framed (7.04m) / Coronation Street (13.19m)
* ep 4: 8.27m consolidated opposite New You've Been Framed (6.22m) / Coronation Street (12.06m)

6. Himalaya (6 eps, Sun 9pm 03/10/04 - Sun 9pm 07/11/04)
* ep 1: 9.13m consolidated opposite Rosemary and Thyme (7.08m)
* ep 2: 8.02m consolidated opposite Midsomer Murders (8.56m)
* ep 3: 8.49m consolidated opposite Midsomer Murders (9.13m)
* ep 4: 7.77m consolidated opposite Foyle's War (9.10m)
* ep 5: 7.74m consolidated opposite Foyle's War (8.15m)
* ep 6: 8.19m consolidated opposite Foyle's War (8.48m)

7. New Europe (7 eps, Sun 9pm 16/09/07 - 28/10/07)
* ep 1: 7.81m consolidated [7.5m/31% o/night] opposite Hell's Kitchen (3.80m consol.) [3.7m/15%]
* ep 2: 6.63m consolidated [6.4m/26% o/night] opposite Agatha Christie's Marple (5.41m consol.) [5.2m/24.2%]
* ep 3: 6.55m consolidated [6.32m/27.3% o/night] opposite Agatha Christie's Marple (5.54m consol.) [5.21m/26.0%]
* ep 4: 6.20m consolidated [6.0m/25% o/night] opposite Rugby World Cup - Scot vs Arg (4.33m consol.) [4.8m/19% - o/night reported on this thread, strangely higher than consol.]
* ep 5: 6.00m consolidated [5.8m/28.4% o/night] opposite Rugby World Cup - SA vs Arg (6.92m consol.) [6.6m/26%]
* ep 6: 5.96m consolidated [5.8m/24.1% o/night] opposite Catwalk Dogs (4.92m consol.) [4.8m/21.1%]
* ep 7: 5.76m consolidated [5.56m/23.2% o/night] opposite Half Broken Things (5.03m consol.) [4.70m/23.0%]

Sources: BARB, this thread, Wikipedia/IMDB for some dates

I'd forgotten how well Sahara, Himalaya and New Europe did.”

I think you'll find that Full Circle started on 7th September 1997. 31st August was the day Princess Diana died so the planned schedules were torn up.

From my records it appears that Full Circle went out at 8 o'clock opposite Heartbeat. The first episode, (unless I accidentally omitted it from my anorak figures) had less than 6.06m. Thereafter......

Spoiler

hyperstarsponge

04-10-2012

Originally Posted by Bex.:
“just seen TMO: The Gossip advertised for Saturday on ITV2 it's not being shown until 11:30pm ”

Anything good on ITV2 will be on a late night slot, E4 needs to pick the rights up

Charnham

04-10-2012

Hunted was great tonight, hope it gets at least 6 million.

Pizzatheaction

04-10-2012

Thanks for finding those, Neil.

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