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Old 01-10-2012, 13:26
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Okay. Here's a theory. Bare with me while I waffle for a bit.

Downton Abbey's ratings remind me of the talk earlier this year about whether Downton or Call The Midiwife was bigger in its first series. I still say that, even though it wasn't shown in, Scotland, Downton had an easier timeslot and a great lead-in from a red hot X Factor in 2010.Call The Midwife had a much tougher timeslot facing the popular Dancing On Ice on ITV and Top Gear on BBC2.

However, Downton and Midwife have Christmas specials this year and could be on course for record highs. The question is which will be the most watched?
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:32
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Consolidated ratings will be released tomorrow instead of today due to the BARB errors:
Barb has apologised for a number of high-profile gaffes in its ratings reports for ITV1 and Channel 4 late last month.

The audience measurement organisation said an “error in audio referencing procedures” has meant that some viewing figures for the stations have been “misallocated” between 19 and 24 September.

The result is that in some cases viewing to ITV1 shows has been deducted and helped artificially boost C4 figures. The same has also happened the other way around.

It is still not clear how many shows have been affected during the period where the errors occurred.

Re-processing

Barb is currently “re-processing” the data, meaning many ratings figures reported last week for the two channels are being changed.

The X Factor is one such example. The entertainment show originally recorded an overnight audience of 8.96m (33.6%) on ITV1 and ITV1 HD in figures released last Monday, but this has now grown to 9.84m (36.91%) under the revised data.

However, for C4 it means some of the favourable audiences it registered last week are likely to be a result of the blunders, rather than the performance of the shows themselves.

One such example is The Comedy World Cup, which according to last week’s figures pulled in 1.8m (7.9%). The new ratings data now pegs the show’s audience back to 631k (2.76%).

The process of reassigning audiences for C4 and ITV1 also means that consolidated data for 19-23 September - due to be released across 27 September to 1 October - will be now be issued on 2 October.

In an email to clients, Barb and its principle contractor Kantar Media said: “We apologise for the inconvenience that this error, and the delay in publishing consolidated data, will cause to all users of the data.”
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:40
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Ouch for Comedy World Cup, 0.6m this week and last! Must be all the more painful as they were given false hope last week.
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:41
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Why?

Isn't it a good thing that both ITV and BBC offer alternative programming rather than clasing the same genre at the detriment of the audiences at home.

Also, do you really find it hard to believe that even a drama clash would stop Downton crossing the 10million mark?
I'm not sure why people think that every drama has a similar audience to all other dramas. Does everyone who watches Corrie like Hollyoaks too? Does everyone who watches X Factor like The Great British Bake Off? Does everyone who watches football like cricket? The answer is no, so why do people think that every dramas clash is going to massive split the viewers?

Last year, Spooks was getting 4.4m/4.5m overnights on a regular basis against Downton. It did a whole lot better than History of The World is doing, probably down to the fact a lot of it's potential viewers have chosen to watch ITV1 instead.
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:45
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Poor for X Factor to miss 10m last night, bucking the recent trend of reducing year on year gaps (well, before this whole overnight adjustment fiasco). Just about 1m up from the Saturday show as well which isn't much, really. The Sunday judges houses episode has tended to be huge over the past 3 years but that has obviously been when the show is on a high and is more talked about.

BARB has released some re-adjusted overnight ratings from last week:

- last Sunday's The X Factor actually averaged 9.84m (36.91%).
- last Sunday's Downton Abbey averaged 9.73m (36.75%).

Source: broadcast

So yesterday's X Factor was actually down week-on-week. I expect more revised overnights to come through over the next few hours/days.
I thought last weeks X Factor got 9.8m as well?

It definitely stands out as an unusual and particularly good rating last weekend. Down 11.7% year on year when everything else has been down over 15%. And coming at a stage of the competition where ratings usually drop. Of course then it makes this weekends ratings look worse.

All a bit peculiar. But I guess we have to trust that BARB have sorted it out!
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:45
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Ouch for Comedy World Cup, 0.6m this week and last! Must be all the more painful as they were given false hope last week.
They probably had their suspicions themselves, to be fair, as that kind of week-on-week rise is pretty unprecedented.

If it had happened back on September 15 when the show launched that would have been more cruel.
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:47
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9.8 Million and 11.2 million peak. Still down on previous years, but certainly not down and out. Highest peak audience of the week is nothing to be sniffed at.
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:54
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Top 20 programmes week ending 23rd September 2012

1. Downton Abbey [Sun 2100] - ITV1 - 11.86m
2. The X Factor [Sun 1930] - ITV1 - 10.97m
3. Coronation Street [Mon 2030] - ITV1 - 9.43m
4. New Tricks [Mon 2100] - BBC1 - 8.57m
5. Eastenders [Mon 2000] - BBC1 - 8.50m

6. Doctor Who [Sat 1930] - BBC1 - 7.67m
7. Emmerdale [Fri 1900] - ITV1 - 6.71m
8. Countryfile [Sun 2000] - BBC1 - 5.75m
9. Mrs Brown's Boys [Fri 2130] - BBC1 - 5.32m
10. The Great British Bake Off [Tue 2000] - BBC2 + BBC HD - 5.25m

11. Casualty [Sat 2110] - BBC1 - 5.03m
12. Who Do You Think You Are? [Wed 2100] - BBC1 - 4.97m
13. Watchdog [Wed 2000] - BBC1 - 4.89m
14. Ten O Clock News [Wed 2200] - BBC1 - 4.88m
15. UEFA Champions League Live [Tue 1930] - ITV1 - 4.88m

16. The Bletchley Circle [Thu 2100] - ITV1 - 4.65m*
17. Mrs Biggs [Wed 2100] - ITV1 - 4.45m*
18. The Chase: Celebrity Specials [Sun 1830] - ITV1 - 4.42m*
19. Holby City [Tue 2000] - BBC1 - 4.38m
20.All Star Mr and Mrs [Wed 2000] - ITV1 - 4.25m*
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Old 01-10-2012, 13:57
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9.8 Million and 11.2 million peak. Still down on previous years, but certainly not down and out. Highest peak audience of the week is nothing to be sniffed at.
Highest rated programme of the week/month/year <--- where we were
Highest rated ITV show of the week/month/year
Highest peaking show on TV of the week* <--- where we are now
*at least until Strictly Come Dancing starts its new season proper.

The goalposts are being shuffled about a bit, aren't they? If we carry on in this vein soon all we'll have left to big up about TXF is the demos.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:12
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Yes, because of course the Strictly results are coming back next week so you're getting light entertainment on a Sunday, and people moan that's too long anyway. And if they do go up against Downton with a drama then people claim they're being aggressive, a la Spooks.
But that's just one show then more factual. Autumn Sundays on BBC1 used to have far more variety. It's just not good enough.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:17
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Highest rated programme of the week/month/year <--- where we were
Highest rated ITV show of the week/month/year
Highest peaking show on TV of the week* <--- where we are now
*at least until Strictly Come Dancing starts its new season proper.

The goalposts are being shuffled about a bit, aren't they? If we carry on in this vein soon all we'll have left to big up about TXF is the demos.
It' still the biggest show on TV that has the letter "X" in it's title. How can anyone knock that?
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:20
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US Early Households - 30/09/12

Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 7.2 (down 13% from 8.1)
Revenge (ABC) - 6.7 (down 6% from Desperate Housewives' final season premiere of 7.1)
666 Park Avenue (ABC) - 5.3 (down 38% from Pan Am's 8.5, but has 82% retention from Revenge's second half hour, which was 6.5; 666 Park lost 14% for their second half hour)
The Good Wife (CBS) - 7.4
The Mentalist (CBS) - 7.0

Once Upon a Time and Revenge has a good shot of getting over a 3+ in 18-49, 666 Park Avenue will get low-2 range. The Good Wife and The Mentalist might get around 12-13m total viewers but again, low to mid-2 range in 18-49.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:29
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That's a rather stunning consolidated figure for Downtom, though obviously it started 1m higher than we all thought. But that's in DW timeshift territory.

Though it fell back slightly yesterday, it does look like the BBC are simply gifting it viewers with Marr as competition, and this has obvious Christmas scheduling/ratings implications!
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:36
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Hard to make out too much from these early numbers so I'll wait for more news before commenting on the actual ratings, but I hadn't realised just how packed Sunday nights now are over in the US. That's a really strong lineup of shows right there.

And that was just the main networks. Cable had Dexter, Homeland...

If I lived in the US I would be glued to the TV all night on Sunday evenings !
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:40
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Hard to make out too much from these early numbers so I'll wait for more news before commenting on the actual ratings, but I hadn't realised just how packed Sunday nights now are over in the US. That's a really strong lineup of shows right there.

And that was just the main networks. Cable had Dexter, Homeland...

If I lived in the US I would be glued to the TV all night on Sunday evenings !
Sunday nights are more competitive now than ever for US TV. Broadcast competitions are fierce, but add cable and the competitions are something else. Reality shows, comedies and dramas from basic and premium cable, virtually almost all channel have new original airings on Sundays. Thursday nights used to be competitive as well, and even it may still be now, Sunday nights are more intense, in my opinion.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:44
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That's a rather stunning consolidated figure for Downtom, though obviously it started 1m higher than we all thought. But that's in DW timeshift territory.

Though it fell back slightly yesterday, it does look like the BBC are simply gifting it viewers with Marr as competition, and this has obvious Christmas scheduling/ratings implications!
ITV gave Call The Midwife tough competition. BBC1 rolls over and plays dead with Downton Abbey. They would have been better off putting a drama on. It would have rated much higher.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:47
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US Early Households - 30/09/12

Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 7.2 (down 13% from 8.1)
Revenge (ABC) - 6.7 (down 6% from Desperate Housewives' final season premiere of 7.1)
666 Park Avenue (ABC) - 5.3 (down 38% from Pan Am's 8.5, but has 82% retention from Revenge's second half hour, which was 6.5; 666 Park lost 14% for their second half hour)
The Good Wife (CBS) - 7.4
The Mentalist (CBS) - 7.0

Once Upon a Time and Revenge has a good shot of getting over a 3+ in 18-49, 666 Park Avenue will get low-2 range. The Good Wife and The Mentalist might get around 12-13m total viewers but again, low to mid-2 range in 18-49.
What do these numbers mean? Never understood US ratings unless they talk in millions.
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:51
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What do these numbers mean? Never understood US ratings unless they talk in millions.
Percentages of households who watched the shows that night. They were the main source of US ratings long before total viewers and later 18-49 demographics (from 2008-09 season onwards) became the main importance.
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:19
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Percentages of households who watched the shows that night. They were the main source of US ratings long before total viewers and later 18-49 demographics (from 2008-09 season onwards) became the main importance.
I see. Thanks for clarifying. And speaking of clarifying, I checked the rating for Downton Abbey for last week. It's actually 11.7m.
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:21
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Once Upon a Time and Revenge has a good shot of getting over a 3+ in 18-49, 666 Park Avenue will get low-2 range. The Good Wife and The Mentalist might get around 12-13m total viewers but again, low to mid-2 range in 18-49.
Its a tricky one to call particularly for Revenge and could go either way. The household isn't just down on Desperate Housewives last season (which started with a 3.2 in the demo) but down on Revenge's debut last season that started with a 3.3. Its going to interesting to see if they've held onto younger viewers or not. Regardless I really don't think this Sunday night move is going to work out for ABC or the show and I still cannot understand the logic behind it – they finally got a show that worked at Wednesday 10PM and their first instinct was to move it to a ridiculously competitive Sunday night slot against football. The mind boggles.
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:28
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The Downton ratings are mystifying.

I know not one person who has bothered to watch more than one episode.

Then again, I don't make my own jam, go on winter cruises, or play whist....
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:37
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Its a tricky one to call particularly for Revenge and could go either way. The household isn't just down on Desperate Housewives last season (which started with a 3.2 in the demo) but down on Revenge's debut last season that started with a 3.3. Its going to interesting to see if they've held onto younger viewers or not. Regardless I really don't think this Sunday night move is going to work out for ABC or the show and I still cannot understand the logic behind it – they finally got a show that worked at Wednesday 10PM and their first instinct was to move it to a ridiculously competitive Sunday night slot against football. The mind boggles.
Then where would you put Nashville?
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:38
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ITV gave Call The Midwife tough competition. BBC1 rolls over and plays dead with Downton Abbey. They would have been better off putting a drama on. It would have rated much higher.
Well, CTM was a hit out of nowhere, in its first series. I'm sure for the second series ITV are hardly likely to bring out their most popular shows against it.
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:48
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The Downton ratings are mystifying.

I know not one person who has bothered to watch more than one episode.

Then again, I don't make my own jam, go on winter cruises, or play whist....
It's a phenomenon. Like when Des O'Connor Tonight was getting 15m. I didn't know anybody that watched. Downton is a show that has entered popular culture. I know a few that love it. It also doesn't have any competition which helps figures.

Well, CTM was a hit out of nowhere, in its first series. I'm sure for the second series ITV are hardly likely to bring out their most popular shows against it.
Midwife and Downton were both hits out of nowhere, but I still say the former had a tougher timeslot to establish itself in. And ITV showed with Corrie scheduling that they didn't want it getting close to Downton. So what will happen at Christmas?

My prediction is that Call The Midwife and Downton Abbey will get their highest ratings of the year with their Christmas editions. Whichever one rates higher will claim the prize of highest rated drama of the year. But I don't know which one it'll be.
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Old 01-10-2012, 15:50
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Then where would you put Nashville?
Probably Thursday 10PM.

I might also have been tempted to move Once Upon a Time to 9PM but I can understand why they didn't really want to do that. None the less it just isn't true to say that ABC were stuck in some kind of scheduling bind. There's any number of slots they could have opened up that wouldn't have involved moving Revenge to a ridiculous new slot in its second season.
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