what shows has itv put against strictly satuday live show in the past that have performed better than the 3 million take me out got???

what shows that itv has would do better against strictly???

Harry Hi....

Oh, wait, TV Burp is no more. Surely it would have got better than that though?

just one comment on Fridays ratings.

the second Corrie looks low, against only a Miranda repeat.

As for Saturday excellent ratings for Strictly, but since it didnt beat X-Factor with +1, we are now going to witness a long discussion about which one.

Hoped for more from Merlin, and im sure ITV hoped for more from Take Me Out.


it would make this thread a nicer place.

Casualty starting to show its age, despite a brand new set.

Not been paying much attention to this:

Thats very low is it not? Late slot might have given it a bashing.


The drop in ratings for its final series must have killed the hopes for another series with another lead; the writing teams had run out of energy/gags - didn't help when it was obvious some ITV tinkering to stop certain jokes at certain ITV shows.

Sundays are important now adays; The Chase is doing great there too. Its now the 'big night' for ITV; the fact its filled with a great variety of shows is a big plus for ITV and viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if they use Sundays more often and move away from Saturday primetime being the 'big night'.

OMG!! That's shocking! MPD is dead now surely?!

It was against XF. BTW what did it get on Thursday? I didn't see it reported anywhere.

The X Factor always adds well over 1m in the finals. Strictly won't overtake TXF until it can beat it in the official ratings. The Take Me Out rating is a shocker. Utterly annihilated by Strictly. TMO should go up in the finals but that is the lowest I've seen it with +1.

That has already been dealt with. Corrie runs from 8:29 to 8:55 on Fridays, the tape checked rating is much higher.


Take Me Out will probably do better next week as word of mouth tells people that it's actually started. It hasn't been on at this time of year before.

Of course there should be a discussion comparing Casualty at this time of year with Casualty at the times of year it has a free run, ignore all external influences and go on about how it is in terminal crisis and is heading for the axe

I just wish they'd rest it - its a decent format; once a week would be fine. Every Sunday night or something - and more varied contestants (Ch4 don't seem to find older people interesting; or unattractive people; or non-upper middle class; or people from outside of London).

Yes I know...but still, its beyond poor. I haven't seen the rating either. Would be interesting to see it if anyone's got it?


Yeah TXF will probably end up been about 9.8m (exc +1) in the offiicals with SCD not far behind.

TV Burp did very well against Strictly. Didn't beat it but got much higher than Take Me Out. TMO is no Blind Date. Getting lots of press coverage and trending on Twitter does not a hit show make.

damn Xtra rating is really low.. it was on quite late though

The ratings seem to be better on Sundays at this time of year I believe. XF has Corrie as a lead-in next Sunday I believe, maybe that 6-7m would stay around for it. Maybe they'll have The Cube after that.

Regarding the budget issue - it's not just about how much money each broadcaster gets; another plus point for the BBC is they know exactly HOW much money they're getting each year and in turn how much each channel etc. gets. They can commission along the budget lines and know they're covered if something flops.

In comparison, ITV cannot do this. They can project a profit and try and budget accordingly but if something make a surprising decline, like, say, The X Factor recording an unexpected high year on year decline then that's going to have an impact on everything else. They cannot take so many risks and when they do, and get burnt, they're going to be a lot more nervous about trying it again.

Take the BBC and comedies or light entertainment - they had a few flops but they've continued to commission. They were burnt but they had the budget in place to try again. In comparison, ITV were burnt with Demons and Primeval and don't want to risk getting bunt because the budget is not guaranteed. It could be a waste of cash they can ill afford.

Slightly away from this topic, I think it's a big mistake for BBC One to axe CBBC from the main channel; other than a ratings angle there is no reason why it should leave the main channel and it introduces younger viewers to BBC One as well. And frankly why should ITV1 and other commercial networks be chastised for abandoning children's TV and leaving it to digital networks if the BBC are going to turn around and do exactly the same thing?

Credit has got to go to Channel 5 for sticking with the Milkshake strand.


I have to disagree - Louis was the only member of the panel with an ounce of personality last year (Tulisa was ok at times but not consistent) and he and Nicole basically carried the show last night. He needs someone to bounce off, though.

People don't like Gary because he can be vile without Simon's charm.


The problem with Take Me Out, though I didn't think of this until today, is that it appeals to the anti-Strictly audience and is a cult viewing programme - it's not going to draw any viewers away from Strictly and it's not going to appeal to any floating viewers. TV Burp was good at this, though it lost it's way during the last series and Harry Hill announced he had had enough.

It may be worth them switching Take Me Out with The Cube and allow the latter show, which is already struggling, to take the flak. They can give Take Me Out the headstart by airing it from 6.45 on a Sunday - when more of the demo audience will be around - and air The Cube inbetween You've Been Framed (which they should switch with Fool Britannia) and The X Factor.

The X Factor itself didn't record an unexpected figure even though people are reacting as though the world is ending - isn't it the eighth Saturday is a row where it's posted a sizeable year on year decline? It's also very unsurprising that Strictly Come Dancing grew on last year considering it was on later and didn't clash with The X Factor; yet again, people react as if this is something completely startling but it's in a much healthier state than the ITV show.

Merlin did well but I'm slightly disappointed with the figure. Considering the much better lead in than last year combined with weaker opposition and a 15 (well, 10 once Strictly finished) minute headstart I expected it to be higher than that. Secret Fortune and Casualty did ok opposite The X Factor.

Dad's Army continued to be a very strong performer for BBC two while Channel 4 aired the true flops of the night in The Comedy World Cup and The Million Pound Drop. Channel 5 did well with The Battle of Britain which was a neat piece of scheduling.

You'd think so, but this is C4 we're talking about. I think the current run ends in the next couple of weeks but it'll probably have another series before Christmas, then one in January, then two in the Spring - when what it really needs is a complete rest for a significant period as it is still a decent format. I'd leave it until at least May, then have just two series a year - or as I've said before try it in daytime, perhaps over a week or two stripped at 5pm and 9/10pm sometime next Spring/Summer when The Chase and Pointless are in repeats.

A show capable of pulling in 2m+ though rating at less than a third of that is not acceptable - and I really hope C4 haven't taken Homeland for granted either. I do think if they're insisting on it keeping the Sunday 9pm slot they should have put a quick turn around repeat on a Monday at 10pm - giving viewers the option of watching it in a weeknight 10pm slot without technically moving it to a weeknight 10pm slot.

I doubt the three repeats it's getting on 4seven combined would get the figure of one repeat on C4 - and considering they're so willing to repeat stuff like One Born Every Minute days later in the 10pm slot you'd think they'd use that tactic for their flagship drama too.

Yeah, it did do well, but I wonder how much that had to do with its rather cushy slot, I know it started at ten but it was Christmas Eve so nobody had to get up early in the morning. It all felt a bit by the numbers to me, as if they were trying to create a show as much like Benidorm as possible without being sued, with horrible kids and scatalogical humour, and that can surely only be emphasised as a weekly show. I watched it with my parents and they have a vulgar sense of humour - they're big Benidorm and Royle Family fans - but they didn't think much of it either.


But the bonus of doing it in two shows is that all the contestants get proper introductions, whereas in one show they'd have to dart through them - even next week's long show is twenty minute shorter than this week's put together, and even this week it seemed to dart off immediately after the final dance. It gives a proper chance to introduce everyone. And as well as the practicalities of filming it on Sunday, the Friday slot allowed it to be shown at a cushy 9pm slot instead of having to shuffle off to seven to get out of the way of The X Factor. I know last night was at 6.30 but Saturdays are different.


Well, the first two series of Robin Hood did well enough, the third series didn't but it was up against some tough competition, then that awful rating against the BGT final did for it even though it was a bit of a freak. Although it could never have carrried on given the whole cast appeared to be leaving.


Well, don't put it against The X Factor, then. It's that simple. I know The X Factor is long but there are many other slots.


Can this please be put in bold letters at the top of every page of this thread? As well as a request to say "please" and "thank you".

Robin Hood was a tired format that seemed to crop up every decade. Also putting martial arts into a show set in the 12th century was odd, like karate was well known to the residents of Sherwood Forest then. However, I have complete faith in Merlin as this is a good show.

I think the terrible lead-in from Fool Britannia and starting half-way through Strictly hurt it more; I rarely watch ITV1 but even I saw a trailer for TMO.


Andy, do you have a soft spot for Casualty in your cold, ITVista heart? Agreed - actually I think 3.82m (16.8%) is decent taking into account the full clash against TXF.


Well apparently everything in MPD is geared towards giving the "young, educated female" demographic what they want. But with the numbers collapsing under 800k with +1, surely they had precious few of those, who were doubtless watching TXF or out socialising anyway.

The ratings speak for themselves. Apart from Downton Abbey and Paul OGradys show, Itv1 have suffered in the ratings badly this Autumn overall. XFactor down 2million, almost all new dramas launching with 2-4million, no new shows over 5million, Red or Black and Take Me Out below 3.5m, Emmerdale not picking up viewers so close to its 40th anniversary, football rating badly. You can ignore all of this if you like but the ratings are all there to support these claims.

Channel 4 are wasting Mlllion Pound Drop and Comedy World Cup. Put a film on!

Channel 4 must have faith with the show as next Saturday it will run from 8.00pm to 9.40pm going directly head to head with the end of Strictly Come Dancing, Take Me Out and most of The X Factor.

Yes, we know. But posting 'ITV is crap' every single day gets dull very quickly.

They are having a nightmare and the worst thing is...how can they get out of it? Where's the bright spark on the horizon which may make them feel better?

You couldn't move for Take Me Out trailers. They played out during last week's X Factor and it was trending on Twitter last week just for that. It peaked when Strictly was over. Next week it faces Strictly for the duration. I can't see it doing much better next week.

Im not saying Itv is crap every day. But it cant be denied something bad is happening to the channel the last few months when it comes to their ratings and this cant be ignored. Something bad is happening every day, yesterday it was Take Me Out unexpectedly getting only 3.1m [I am a fan of this show], day before it was Piers Morgans show, day before it was Homefront. I mean, there seems to be a ratings problem. To bring some fairness to it, it is not only Itv1 but Channel5 also been struggling of late but they did do well yesterday with their peak time movie. Itv1's bright spark might come with Im a Celeb, they will cross their fingers ratings for that dont drop much either.

If Channel 4 want something to show after MPD finishes in a few weeks, at around 5-6pm they could show Toy Story 3 or Karate Kid (2010 remake, don't think that has been shown on TV yet) or whatever will bring in the ratings.