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The Ratings Thread (Part 41)
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Agent F
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The Downton ratings are mystifying.

I know not one person who has bothered to watch more than one episode.

Then again, I don't make my own jam, go on winter cruises, or play whist....”

You have a very warped idea of Downton's audience. I know loads of people that love it. It's pure escapism and that's why it works.
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Midwife and Downton were both hits out of nowhere...”

Where does this idea that Downton Abbey and Call the Midwife were out of nowhere hits come from? Its a bit like describing Sherlock an out of nowhere hit for the BBC. Its not really true. Admittedly the scale of their success might be a little surprising but its not like either of these shows flew under the radar and came from nowhere. Both received sustained promotional campaigns from their broadcaster and both were given plum Sunday night slots and Downton was given an X Factor lead-in. I just don't understand where this idea that both or either show came from nowhere comes from. Downton in particular. Regardless of whether it was airing on ITV there was an obvious expectation surrounding Downton given the writer, cast and cost.
Dancc
01-10-2012
Quote:
“PERSON OF INTEREST (TUE 18 SEPTEMBER 2103) 1,514,000 CH5
PERSON OF INTEREST (TUE 18 SEPTEMBER 2203) 272,000 CH5+1
PERSON OF INTEREST (TUE 18 SEPTEMBER 2103/2203) 1,786,000 CH5 TOTAL

PADDY & SALLY'S EXCELLENT GYPSY... (WED 19 SEPTEMBER 2201) 780,000 CH5
PERSON OF INTEREST (WED 19 SEPTEMBER 2200) 274,000 5USA
DALLAS (WED 19 SEPTEMBER 2203) 215,000 CH5+1

www.barb.co.uk”

Maybe the penny is finally dropping with this show. I appreciate that the main showing didn't improve all that much week-on-week, but the first rerun on 5USA rated very well compared to the programme that was on C5 at the time, also beating Dallas on C5+1.

C5 are trailing the episode this Tuesday (October 2) heavily, so interesting to see if the upward trend can continue. Tough slot though with ep 2 of The Paradise, Man United in action once again and Hotel GB all taking potential viewers away.
tamibeckett
01-10-2012
Once Upon A Time = 3.8
Revenge 3.2
666 Park Avenue = 2.2
nickynoodle167
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by tamibeckett:
“Once Upon A Time = 3.8
Revenge 3.2
666 Park Avenue = 2.2”

Wow! Great ratings for Once and Revenge, shaky start for 666, I thought it'd actually match Revenge and post around a 2.8... still that's overall a great night for ABC.
sheepiefarm
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The Downton ratings are mystifying.

I know not one person who has bothered to watch more than one episode.

Then again, I don't make my own jam, go on winter cruises, or play whist....”

I know not one person who is part of the Barb ratings data collection process - therefore what the people that I know watch on tv is irrelevant.
cylon6
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Where does this idea that Downton Abbey and Call the Midwife were out of nowhere hits come from? Its a bit like describing Sherlock an out of nowhere hit for the BBC. Its not really true. Admittedly the scale of their success might be a little surprising but its not like either of these shows flew under the radar and came from nowhere. Both received sustained promotional campaigns from their broadcaster and both were given plum Sunday night slots and Downton was given an X Factor lead-in. I just don't understand where this idea that both or either show came from nowhere comes from. Downton in particular. Regardless of whether it was airing on ITV there was an obvious expectation surrounding Downton given the writer, cast and cost.”

Many shows are given plum slots and extensive promotion and don't deliver. The talk of last year was that Upstairs Downstairs was going to be in a big ratings battle with Downton. CTM wasn't on anybody's radar, certainly not ITV's who had been doing very well with Dancing On Ice & Wild At Heart on Sundays. There were complaints that Zen was axed to make way for it. And Zen received masses of promotion and didn't fly opposite Wild At Heart or Dancing On Ice. Nobody expected CTM to be as big as it was in its first series and that included the writer.

With Downton it was following The X Factor but some felt that Single Father with red hot David Tennant fresh off massive ratings for Doctor Who would do well. It certainly wasn't expected to be crushed.

Some at the BBC weren't sure Sherlock was going to be a big hit either and felt it could have been another Jekyll for Steven Moffat.

There are solid hits and then there are super hits and super hits don't come along very often and are not always the ones you suspect. So I disagree and can't be convinced otherwise so no point trying. Let's talk about something else instead.
Dancc
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by tamibeckett:
“Once Upon A Time = 3.8”

Great start to Season 2. Right at the top end of people's estimates.

Season 1 ended with a 3.3.
cylon6
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“You have a very warped idea of Downton's audience. I know loads of people that love it. It's pure escapism and that's why it works.”

Downton's audience does include a lot of older viewers interestingly enough.
mlt11
01-10-2012
Just following up on old thread re Listed Events.

It's the law (Communications Act 2003) that if a new event is Listed then any existing contracts stand (ie are unaffected) - ie the new listing only takes effect after the existing contract has expired.

Per Communications Act:

"The allocation or transfer of an event to group A does not affect the validity of a contract entered into before the day on which the Secretary of State consulted the persons mentioned in subsection (2) in relation to the proposed allocation or transfer."

Link:

http://legislation.data.gov.uk/ukpga....htm?wrap=true

So in order to list a new event before the expiry of an existing contract a new Act of Parliament would be needed (as well as obviously amending the List).
cylon6
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by tamibeckett:
“Once Upon A Time = 3.8
Revenge 3.2
666 Park Avenue = 2.2”

Originally Posted by nickynoodle167:
“Wow! Great ratings for Once and Revenge, shaky start for 666, I thought it'd actually match Revenge and post around a 2.8... still that's overall a great night for ABC.”

I'm reading that 666 Park Avenue opened lower than Panam did last year!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/01/on...ime-ratings-3/
Hassaan13
01-10-2012
http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/91378...ed-in-bath-tub

Set to soar? We will see.

Regarding CBBC's top 10:

1 THE SCOOBY DOO SHOW (MON 1601) 369
2 THE SCOOBY DOO SHOW (TUE 1601) 308
3 WOLFBLOOD (TUE 1718) 294
4 MI HIGH (TUE 1748) 281
5 SCHOOL FOR STARS (TUE 1632) 278
6 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (TUE 1702) 264
7 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (FRI 0726) 263
8 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (WED 1701) 262
9 FILM: HOTEL FOR DOGS (2008) (SAT 0757) 257
10 SCHOOL FOR STARS (MON 1631) 257

The Scooby Doo Show is still beating everything, as well as Wolflbood only managing 294k. Maybe when Wizards vs Aliens begins to air, the ratings will be like Sarah Jane Adventures at this period 2 years ago (when they were around the 800-900k mark).
C14E
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by tamibeckett:
“Once Upon A Time = 3.8
Revenge 3.2
666 Park Avenue = 2.2”

A bit low for 666 Park but overall a good night for ABC. Particularly good for Once Upon A Time.
jake lyle
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by tamibeckett:
“Once Upon A Time = 3.8
Revenge 3.2

666 Park Avenue = 2.2”

Very good for Once and Revenge, had a feeling that 666 wouldn't do that well.
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Full US data - demo numbers and total viewers.

ABC
7PM: Once Upon A Time: The Magic is Coming – 1.8 [6.00 million]
8PM: Once Upon A Time – 3.8 [11.01 million]
9PM: Revenge – 3.2 [9.50 million]
10PM: 666 Park Avenue – 2.2 [6.97 million]

Once down 3 tenths vs. last years debut and Revenge down a tenth vs. last years debut. ABC will take both of those numbers but by the same token both are likely to fall in the weeks to come. Revenge dropped three tenths across its run last night – 3.3 / 3.0 half hours - the same as Park Avenue – 2.3 / 2.0 half hours - which isn't a great sign. Park Avenue nearly an entire point below Pan Am's debut last season. I doubt it'll last anywhere near as long as Pan Am did.

CBS
7PM: 60 Minutes – 1.8 [11.53 million]
8PM: The Amazing Race – 2.5 [9.70 million]
9PM: The Good Wife – 1.8 [9.81 million]
10PM: The Mentalist – 2.1 [10.83 million]

The Good Wife down 4 tenths on last years season opener to what I think is a series low or at least tied for a series low. The Mentalist is down 2 tenths on CSI: Miami's premiere in the same slot last season and 7 tenths on its own season opener last year. Again I think this is a series low for a regularly scheduled episode. The Amazing Race is down half a point on last falls season premiere and posted its lowest opener ever. CBS continues to have major problems with Sunday night.

Fox
7PM: NFL Overrun – 7.9 [20.82 million]
7:30PM: The OT – 7.7 [19.80 million]
8PM: The Simpsons – 3.8 [7.97 million]
8:30PM: Bob's Burgers – 2.5 [5.40 million]
9PM: Family Guy – 3.3 [6.53 million]
9:30PM: American Dad – 2.5 [5.23 million]

The Simpsons is down just a tenth vs. last year whilst Bob's Burgers is down more than half a point on The Cleveland Show's performance in the same slot last year but up a tenth on cancelled Allen Gregory's season debut in the slot in late October. No 'Ted bump' for Family Guy which was down massively on last years 4.1 opener whilst American Dad is down half a point year-on-year.

NBC
7PM: Football Night in America – 1.9 [5.78 million]
7:30PM: Football Night in America – 2.8 [7.80 million]
8PM: Football Night in America – 6.2 [16.75 million]
8:30PM: Sunday Night Football – 8.1 [20.56 million]

NBC will no doubt see upward adjustments when finals come in later today but they of course won the night with Sunday Night Football.
dillan
01-10-2012
Revenge and OUAT premiered very well. Poor start for 666, same numbers that GCB got for its premiere, can't see it lasting.
Lousiana
01-10-2012
Another mediocre rating for X Factor last night - when will this series gather momentum?
derek500
01-10-2012
Quote:
“Liam Hamilton @LiamHamiltonDCD

10 hours plus of scintillating Ryder Cup coverage averages 1.3m on Sky Sports, peaking at over 2m as Kymer sinks put to cap Europes comeback”

Stunning average for such a long broadcast which didn't end until 1.30am, two or so hours after the final putt.
Hassaan13
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“Another mediocre rating for X Factor last night - when will this series gather momentum?”

Possibly starting Saturday, many people say they start watching from the lives.

Maybe if Rylan is kept over someone better than him in the bottom two, that could bring a huge peak.
cylon6
01-10-2012
I don't like The Mentalist on Sunday.
Agent F
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Downton's audience does include a lot of older viewers interestingly enough.”

That's not going to be a surprise to anyone, but it's a bit lazy and not to mention inaccurate to brand its entire audience as OAPs. I know plenty of young people who love Downton. And whilst it may have a hefty share of older viewers, with such a large audience its inevitable it will mop up a healthy slice of those young demos too. Indeed rzt's most recent demographic info showed Downton was the third most watched show among 18-49s (excluding soaps) after X Factor and Doctor Who.
Dancc
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I don't like The Mentalist on Sunday. ”

Yeah, I wasn't in favour of it going there either. Second worst night it could have ended up after Friday.

2.1 is an awful result in the demo. Oh dear CBS !
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Sticking with US numbers for a moment some Live+3 numbers (that's live viewing plus 3 days of DVR playback).

Huge increases for both Revolution on NBC and Modern Family on ABC. Revolution's timeshift is bigger than some of NBC's Live+SD numbers. That its also equalling The Voice with timeshift viewing is incredibly impressive. The Fox Tuesday line-up looks a little healthier with 3 days of playback as does the CBS Monday line-up. Modern Family is just a monster.

Bones – 3.0 [+0.7]
The Mob Doctor – 1.6 [+0.3]
New Girl (8PM) – 3.8 [+1.0]
Ben & Kate – 2.4 [+0.3]
New Girl (9PM) – 3.8 [+1.0]
The Mindy Project – 2.9 [+0.5]

The Voice (Monday) – 5.2 [+0.8]
Revolution – 5.2 [+1.8]
Go On – 3.2 [+0.5]
The New Normal – 2.8 [+0.8]

How I Met Your Mother – 4.4 [+0.8]
2 Broke Girls – 4.6 [+0.9]

Modern Family – 7.3 [+1.8]
The Neighbours – 3.6 [+0.4]
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“There are solid hits and then there are super hits and super hits don't come along very often and are not always the ones you suspect. So I disagree and can't be convinced otherwise so no point trying. Let's talk about something else instead. ”

As I said the scale of the success these shows have had might be a surprise but that they were successful in the first place isn't surprising. These weren't shows that were flying under the radar unnoticed that just exploded. They had huge support from their broadcaster and were groomed to be hits. Neither show was a sleeper hit and I cannot for the life me understand why people continue to peddle this idea that they just came from nowhere. They didn't. That doesn't make the numbers they're pulling any more or less impressive.

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Yeah, I wasn't in favour of it going there either. Second worst night it could have ended up after Friday.

2.1 is an awful result in the demo. Oh dear CBS !”

I actually think landing on Friday would have been fine for The Mentalist. The hastily scheduled Friday episode it had last year did very well all things considered and there would have been an obviously lower expectation had it moved to Friday rather than Sunday. Having said that I'm not sure why its airing Sunday 10PM and not 9PM. Presumably it would do better at 9 than The Good Wife and I can't imagine that The Good Wife would do noticeably worse at 10 than it does at 9.

Its striking how badly CBS have managed The Mentalist though. When it debuted in '08 it was the new hit show of the season and they've somehow managed to completely undo all of that with some truly bizarre scheduling choices. And I do think The Mentalist's decline is scheduling related rather than content because there hasn't (from what I've seen) been a noticeable decline in the quality of the show.
Charnham
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by grimshaw:
“BBC One should have had Hunted or something on.
Spooks did well last year.

Marr is the worst thing they could have chosen.
It'd be posing 2.5m with or without Downton.
[very good ratings for ITV last night]”

not sure its fair to expect a new drama to air against Downton, Spooks was a veteran drama in its final series, Hunted may well struggle to build an audience against Downton, and as a new drama, should not be expected to.

X-Factors ratings are starting to look more healthy, if you dont compare with year on year. What we need to do, is look at how much each episode was down, year on year, and see how much that figure changed as the series continues.
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