I understand the logic in that C5 needs Tuesday to be their strongest night as ITV1 outside of football will be at their weakest. And as a female-skewing show Body of Proof is a stronger alternative to the football when that's on.

But yeah, putting it on a break would be a mistake. And they've been promoting this week's episode loads so it doesn't really make sense to give up before they've even seen the ratings for tonight's episode.

Personally I've been quite taken with how the repeats on 5USA have been picking up. It's unusual for same-week repeats of anything on 5* or 5USA to do that well. It just needs more time.

I'm not really a fan of airing pilots as really if the network is impressed by something they should show a bit of faith and let the creators plan out a full series. It's also surely quite costly to air a series of pilots as opposed to taking a gamble on one series.

That said though it is perhaps something C4 do need to do at this time - and one successful series of the back of them (like Being Human) would justify it. I've no real issue to with them doing a pilot 3-4 part series just to test the water. This is England for example really should have come back as an eight part series after it's successful first, but the show was never intended to be much beyond a mini-series unfortunately.


Alot of comments today on how it should have ended after the third, second or first series but the truth is the reboot in the fourth series actually worked - ratings rose and most of the Maguires became really popular additions to the show. The problems came when the run was first doubled to sixteen episodes, but although patchy at times series 5-7 were generally speaking still better than anything else on TV and still really did have their big episodes which Shameless did so well.

The real downfall began when it was extended to 22 episodes and they lost some really popular characters who were crucial in binding the show together, leaving the show as a collection of individuals rather than a fairly tight family unit as it initially was. Also as cast members left the show became more and more focused on it's central character - and the ironic thing about Shameless is episodes based around Frank Gallagher - even back in the first series - tend to be the weak ones, so the more about Frank it becomes, the less watchable it is.

Dancc what film will Channel 5 be showing this Sunday in that well established family film slot?

A Bug's Life. It gets a good head start on C4's The Golden Compass.

The following week C4 has Fool's Gold and C5 has Dumbo.

Person of Interest may move to 10pm or Fridays at 9pm replacing the NCIS repeats, Thursdays I reckon will for The Mentalist once Hatfields and McCoys is done as it's only a 5 part series as the first episode is 2 hours.

Geektown says The Mentalist is back on Friday 2nd November. Dunno how good their source is though, maybe they are just guessing.

http://www.geektown.co.uk/uk-air-dates/

Rating wise, It was last year when the figures dropped dramatically. Just last January when they did the week of episodes, the first episode got over 4m exlcuding +1 and all 5 episodes that week averaged over 3.3m. Then that series continued until the break and kept falling towards 2m then when it returned in September under 2m and has just been very low since then.

Quality wise, the show has lost big characters and never really replaced them and the stories about the remaining characters have just been going over old ground. They really should have done a big revamp a couple of years ago but things just slid instead.

when are we getting some new NCIS from C5, feels like forever sine the last new episode?

Some obvious things spring up from Rzt's list.

We could all have anticipated that X Factor would be the #1 show among total viewers. Or that it would hold a massive (114%) lead in adults 16-34, an almost as large lead in housewives with children (81%) and also be #1 with children 4-15.

But perhaps more surprising is that it still holds a sizeable lead in adults 35-44 (45% from the 2nd biggest show) and even in adults 45-54 (18%). Perhaps most surprising - it was the #1 show on British TV last week among men, holding a 1m lead over ITV's Champions League coverage and the BBC's Match of the Day.

On Sundays, there doesn't seem to be much overlap from X Factor to DA as we've discussed before.

TOTAL - Down 1%
ABC1 - Up 26%
A18-49 - Down 48%

C5-14 - Down 71%
A16-34 - Down 59%
A35-44 - Down 48%
A45-54 - Down 15%
A55-64 - Up 48%
A65+ - Up 177%

Men - Down 7%
Women - Up 2%
HWC - Down 51%

Between them, either X Factor or Downton topped the week in every single category posted (X Factor in total, men, children, HWC and younger demos while Downton was top in women, ABC1's and older demos).

As ever, Take Me Out also benefits hugely from demographic analysis. It topped Strictly Come Dancing among adults 16-34 and stood as ITV's second biggest show of the week in that demo. Among adults 18-49, it was 4th on ITV behind X Factor (x2) and Downton Abbey. In this measure, Strictly did have a 39% lead.

Drama generally skewed old, particularly on ITV where Mrs Biggs had the highest 16-34 skew at 15%. In numbers, Downton was of course top in that demo.

When I saw the adjustments for CBS, I was like, WHAT?!?!?!? Maybe there was preemption in some cities for some sports events. That aside, those numbers are not too inspiring for CBS. HIMYM falling to a low-3 is a shocker, as they do much better than this. Supposedly it is because they are on their eighth leg and they start to show obvious signs of erosion now. Plus, the creators are saying that they will storyboard this season as if it was their last, although CBS might make an eleventh hour decision and renew it. 2 Broke Girls is still doing decently, although like HIMYM, they should get higher numbers but are incapable to do so because of an abysmal lead-in. As for H50, syndications reached so it is just now about filling in those episode numbers, I guess. In fact, that is what most CBS shows are like when they make it past season 3. Maybe a reason why The Good Wife is still on.

Castle has gone up, which is good. The fact that Castle had 100% retention in 18-49 from DWTS says a lot about where ABC is right now on Mondays. DWTS' guest judge casting of Paula Abdul won't help the dancing show that much. All DWTS can hope for now is to cast better "stars" for the spring cycle and make a ratings spike like they did in 2010. As for Castle, moving timeslot will be too late and dangerous for them now. Then again, their fanbase are loyal and strong - especially since the relationship between Castle and Beckett are making the viewers very happy and excited.

Poor CW. 0.4 is utterly embarrassing. Gossip Girl is on their final season so it won't be much of a bother for the network. As for 90210, someone better tell the writers to write a conclusion as I really cannot see them on the 2013-14 schedule. Perhaps because of stronger competitions from The Voice and CBS comedies, this is CW's way of saying that they are giving up on Mondays until they find two dramas that can hold not only against the competition, but for the network itself. Luckily, Hart of Dixie is started of well last Tuesday. The Vampire Diaries can easily go above 1. As for their new shows, Aarow will top, Beauty and the Beast will go either way and Emily Owens MD won't do so well.

Surprising for The Voice going up in Battle Rounds, Revolution is still good despite the continuing bleed and FOX Mondays will be taking time off for baseball. Bones will make its return, but what about The Mob Doctor? TVbyTN has made an interesting article about FOX holding off canceling The Mob Doctor because they really don't want to be the first network to axe a show (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...w-show/152373/). 0.9 for a FOX Monday show is really bad, so what are they hoping to accomplish? Even if it happens to go up, it will still be around the low-1 region and do more harm than good for the network.

Surprise Surprise looks like it'll face the Strictly results show on Sundays. That's tough competition.

If The Voice wasn't there CBS would probably fare better but taking away Two And A Half Men weakened the night for them anyway, Years ago I felt How I Met Your Mother should have followed Men. Mike & Molly is falsely popular and now we're seeing it for what it is. It's like a so so comedy that would follow Seinfeld in the must see tv days. Without the lead in it isn't that popular.

I still feel that The Voice on too often means it could be killed sooner and yet hats off to NBC as it's bolstered their ratings. Also people seem to love the steal idea in the Battle Rounds. Make a note BBC. Make a note!

I think I started watching in Series 4 as Lip was still in it and the Maguires had become just as integral as the Gallaghers. I loved the series up until last year when it went to 22 episodes, becuase with the loss of characters like Debbie, Stan, Yvonne, Ian and Paddy it struggled to find enough stories whilst at the same time produce more episodes. The new family didn't work, Libby and Patty were ok but not excellent and generally the show just felt like it was running out of steam.

Some ratings. The Paradise 4.88m. No.1 across the whole slot. Mamma Mia 2nd on 2.49m. @leethommo: OVERNIGHTS: Bake Off ties with Holby in the 8pm slot (5.07 mill viewers each) and Fresh Meat series 2 starts down at just 0.88 mill.

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It sounds like an item from This Morning turned into a series. I'll lay off the criticism in the hope ITV convince themselves it's a major league hit and commission a twenty week hour long series for a flagship slot rather than Corrie filler.

Paradise holding firm, and sensational figures for Bake-Off.

As for Mamma Mia - well, "Mamma Mia!!!" indeed!

Seem like they forgot to add BBC HD

Wow. Nearly 11m viewers watching BBC One and BBC Two on a bogstandard weekday at 8pm. Incredible stuff! Obviously the major success story is Bake Off, the ratings gift which just keeps on giving, but Holby deserves credit for logging audiences that high in the circumstances.

ITV1 couldn't compete with yet another Mamma Mia rerun. A premiere might have fared better as I know they have one or two that could rate in that slot.

Shame about Fresh Meat. That's a low start indeed and there's 8 episodes to run.

That's even better than I thought for Great British Bake Off. Let's hope it can stay on BBC2. Jay Hunt wanted Paul Hollywood to do a show for them at Channel 4. He said no.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...mpaign=twitter

Ha ha ha. Good on him !

Seriously, why can't C4 find some talent of its own instead of continuously poaching? It's tedious.

Does PH do any of that, I thought he was a baker!!!

K

Fresh Meat was getting around 1 million or less last series so it's not too bad really.

Does poacching actually work anyway? Its very rre that there is a success story of poaching talent. Perhaps Graham Norton is the best example of that, but it took a fair few years for him to get some success at the BBC (other than hosting the ALW shows)

Nice rating for Eastenders last night. 7.83m (35.9%). Highest of the Autumn so far.

That's what I was going to ask. Develop your own hits. They've got The Fabulous Baker Brothers. Less said about them the better.