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Old 10-10-2012, 10:52
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Fresh Meat was getting around 1 million or less last series so it's not too bad really.
Episode 1- 1.7m (inc. +1)
Episode 2- 1.3m (inc. +1)
Episode 3- 1.1m (inc. +1)
Episode 4- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 5- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 6- 940k (inc. +1)
Episode 7- 950k (inc. +1)
Episode 8- 1.0m (inc. +1)

Since then its profile has been raised by winning a number of high-profile awards, and through reruns on E4.

So to start the new run at or close to a series low is not ideal. I'm guessing it has nice demos though, and it'll probably be one of 4OD's most watched shows.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:57
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Does poacching actually work anyway? Its very rre that there is a success story of poaching talent. Perhaps Graham Norton is the best example of that, but it took a fair few years for him to get some success at the BBC (other than hosting the ALW shows)
It works when they have a show to go to. Best to take a star and their show to the channel.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:16
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Episode 1- 1.7m (inc. +1)
Episode 2- 1.3m (inc. +1)
Episode 3- 1.1m (inc. +1)
Episode 4- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 5- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 6- 940k (inc. +1)
Episode 7- 950k (inc. +1)
Episode 8- 1.0m (inc. +1)

Since then its profile has been raised by winning a number of high-profile awards, and through reruns on E4.

So to start the new run at or close to a series low is not ideal. I'm guessing it has nice demos though, and it'll probably be one of 4OD's most watched shows.
Ah, I didn't realise the first few eps were so high. I hope the ratings grow...
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:23
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Episode 1- 1.7m (inc. +1)
Episode 2- 1.3m (inc. +1)
Episode 3- 1.1m (inc. +1)
Episode 4- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 5- 1.2m (inc. +1)
Episode 6- 940k (inc. +1)
Episode 7- 950k (inc. +1)
Episode 8- 1.0m (inc. +1)

Since then its profile has been raised by winning a number of high-profile awards, and through reruns on E4.

So to start the new run at or close to a series low is not ideal. I'm guessing it has nice demos though, and it'll probably be one of 4OD's most watched shows.
Are those overnights or the official ratings for Fresh Meat?
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:29
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Holy flip at Bake Off - 5.6m will consolidate well over 6m, and it will be pushing 7m by the time of the Final!

Perhaps in Wimbledon style, they should move the final to BBC1? How about a Saturday night, with an SCD lead-in?
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:32
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Are those overnights or the official ratings for Fresh Meat?
Overnights.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:42
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Jewish Mum of the Year (C4): 1.16m (5.1%) / 226k (1.4%) +1
Person of Interest (C5): 1.15m (5.1%) / 126k (0.8%) +1
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:48
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BBC2 will end up showing a this is what we do trailer with all of there programmes just before the next bake off at this rate
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:49
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Holy flip at Bake Off - 5.6m will consolidate well over 6m, and it will be pushing 7m by the time of the Final!

Perhaps in Wimbledon style, they should move the final to BBC1? How about a Saturday night, with an SCD lead-in?
No - it does just fine on BBC Two, there might be a temptation to muck around with it so that it's seen to be a better fit on BBC one. It's perfect just as it is.

That is one hell of a figure though.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:52
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Does poacching actually work anyway? Its very rre that there is a success story of poaching talent. Perhaps Graham Norton is the best example of that, but it took a fair few years for him to get some success at the BBC (other than hosting the ALW shows)
History suggests it doesn't work

Morecambe and Wise BBC to ITV
(although the original ITV to BBC move worked hugely successfully)
Tony Hancock BBC to ITV
Adrian Chiles,Christine Bleakley BBC to ITV
Steve Rider BBC to ITV
Des Lynam BBC to ITV
Jonathan Ross BBC to ITV
Michael Parkinson BBC to ITV

The only one who survived was probably Bruce Forsyth
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:00
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History suggests it doesn't work

Morecambe and Wise BBC to ITV
(although the original ITV to BBC move worked hugely successfully)
Tony Hancock BBC to ITV
Adrian Chiles,Christine Bleakley BBC to ITV
Steve Rider BBC to ITV
Des Lynam BBC to ITV
Jonathan Ross BBC to ITV
Michael Parkinson BBC to ITV
Steve Rider ITV/C4 to BBC
Jonathan Ross C4 to BBC
Michael Parkinson ITV to BBC.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:00
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It's shame they aren't using GBBO as a lead in for one of their dramas, I know it's because they have drama on BBC1 at that time, but it does seem like a bit of a waste. Excellent figure for it, I still don't think it will move channels, it feels like a BBC2 show and that's one of the reasons it's drawing in viewers it's doesn't sensationalise anything, hopefully they don't want to risk messing it up. It's also not like Holby City is doing badly against it, it's still 5m, so I'll doubt they'll be worried about that.

Good to see The Paradise stable, although I would have hoped it would have increased more than just 0.03m with lesser competition.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:16
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History suggests it doesn't work

Morecambe and Wise BBC to ITV
(although the original ITV to BBC move worked hugely successfully)
Tony Hancock BBC to ITV
Adrian Chiles,Christine Bleakley BBC to ITV
Steve Rider BBC to ITV
Des Lynam BBC to ITV
Jonathan Ross BBC to ITV
Michael Parkinson BBC to ITV

The only one who survived was probably Bruce Forsyth
When Bruce went to ITV from the BBC in 78 they gave him a terrible format axed after one series. It was Play Your Cards Right that saved his move to LWT.

Steve Rider ITV/C4 to BBC
Jonathan Ross C4 to BBC
Michael Parkinson ITV to BBC.
A channel move can help.

Jamie Oliver BBC2 to Channel 4
Ant & Dec BBC to Channel 4 to ITV
Harry Enfield Channel 4 to BBC2
Vic & Bob Channel 4 to BBC2
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:18
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Thanks for that. Disappointing overnights the for Fresh Meat should add a few in the finals. Could it be because it had such a poor lead in from Jewish Mum Of The Year? What the hell was the point of that crap!?!
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:44
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Fresh Meat added 197k on +1 so it had more viewers than the last three episodes of Series 1, but was well below slot average of 1.2m (6.7%) exc. +1.
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:01
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Figures for Cuckoo? I wonder if it'll be higher than the 789k it got last week.

Bake Off doing really well for BBC2 aswell, only other show that gets that kind of figures is Top Gear
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:22
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Holy flip at Bake Off - 5.6m will consolidate well over 6m, and it will be pushing 7m by the time of the Final!

Perhaps in Wimbledon style, they should move the final to BBC1? How about a Saturday night, with an SCD lead-in?
That would be fantastic, if only schedulers could be that imaginative. I say 'could' rather than 'would' as Match of the Day is the reason why their schedule is so rigid on Saturdays. I wonder what price a renegotiation of the clause that stipulates MOTD has to start when it does. I don't see any reason other than tradition, to have MOTD on Saturday night at all especially these days.
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:30
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It sounds like an item from This Morning turned into a series. I'll lay off the criticism in the hope ITV convince themselves it's a major league hit and commission a twenty week hour long series for a flagship slot rather than Corrie filler.
But how is this any different to Animal Hospital, which did extremely well on primetime BBC1? It's obviously an appealing series and rightly so, it's Paul O'Grady who's a popular presenter and there are some nice animals in it. I haven't seen it either but I'm sure O'Grady is a major part of its appeal, I'm sure he jollys it all along nicely. The Beeb did a series from Battersea Dogs Home ten years ago and that wasn't opposite Corrie.

And as mentioned, it's doing better than most ITV shows in far cushier slots, and it's obvious any benefit from being between the two Corries is completely wiped out by being opposite 'stEnders. It's an obvious hit as far as these shows go.

As mentioned, credit where it's due. This is exactly what ITV1 should be doing.

Does poacching actually work anyway? Its very rre that there is a success story of poaching talent. Perhaps Graham Norton is the best example of that, but it took a fair few years for him to get some success at the BBC (other than hosting the ALW shows)
Well, Norton is now doing more or less what he did on C4, but when he moved there was an obvious reason for that - he wanted to see if he could do more mainstream fare, which C4 wouldn't have been able to offer him, and the Beeb were looking for some new ideas and personalities for mainstream shows so it was the right kind of fit. An example of that going the other way is when Rory Bremner went from the Beeb to C4 because he wanted to do something completely different and more political and the Beeb apparently only wanted him to do more of the same.

Poaching works if there's an obvious vehicle for them on the new channel and it's offering something that they can't do in their existing home, or if they poach the whole thing lock stock and barrel, star, format and everything, like with Frank Skinner when it was exactly the same show,

Where it doesn't work is when they just poach them to get them to do the same kind of shows they were doing before, especially as they can't use the actual format so they do something that's like them only worse. And unfortunately that always seems to be the approach C4 take.

Steve Rider ITV/C4 to BBC
Jonathan Ross C4 to BBC
Michael Parkinson ITV to BBC.
I'm not accepting any of those as poaching. In the case of Steve Rider the Beeb were after a new presenter when David Coleman decided to stop doing that and in those days there were only two sports broadcasters so it would inevitably be someone from ITV, same as when ITV got Jim Rosenthal from the Beeb. And it was hardly big news, he just moved from number two or three at ITV to number two or three at the Beeb.

Jonathan Ross didn't go from C4 to the Beeb, he went to ITV and did a load of dull series like The Big Big Talent Show and I'm pretty sure when the Beeb signed him up he was a freelancer who didn't have a contract with anyone. Similarly Parky was just a reporter and journalist who did some stuff for ITV and then did some stuff for the Beeb, when Parkinson started he was a reporter on 24 Hours.

I'm not really a fan of airing pilots as really if the network is impressed by something they should show a bit of faith and let the creators plan out a full series. It's also surely quite costly to air a series of pilots as opposed to taking a gamble on one series.
But you still have to make the pilots anyway, so why not get your money's worth and show them? They might need an extra bit of sheen but not much, and if they flop it was just a one-off drama.
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:30
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I wonder what price a renegotiation of the clause that stipulates MOTD has to start when it does. I don't see any reason other than tradition, to have MOTD on Saturday night at all especially these days.
Because it gets high ratings!
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:51
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Figures for Cuckoo? I wonder if it'll be higher than the 789k it got last week
MediaGuardian [and also DS] report a big fall to 593k (3.2%). I'm not surprised; it has a very Marmite quality about it (not my thing). Incidentally I went to school with one of the creators.
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Old 10-10-2012, 13:56
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Bake Off... holy **** that is an incredible rating for BBC2!
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:02
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Fresh Meat added 197k on +1 so it had more viewers than the last three episodes of Series 1, but was well below slot average of 1.2m (6.7%) exc. +1.
Thanks for that, a bit better then
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:08
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Fantastic for GBBO. It just keeps growing and growing. I would move it to BBC1 next year, i'm of the believe that you put your highest rated, populist shows on the number one channel and 5.6m overnights are certainly populist ratings.

Decent for The Paradise too, holding steady at that figure with a decent timeshift should mean it's ok for a second series.
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:34
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Monday 8th October 2012
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.55m (21.1%)
17:15 - Pointless: 2.34m (16.0%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.95m (27%)
18:30 - BBC Regional News: 5.56m (28%)
19:00 - The One Show: 4.29m (21%)
20:00 - EastEnders: 7.59m (31.7%)
20:30 - Panorama: 2.77m (11.5%)
21:00 - New Tricks: 7.02m (29.7%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 4.73m (25%)

BBC Two
14:15 - The Weakest Link: 220k (3.2%)
16:30 - Breakaway: 1.10m (10.2%)
18:00 - Eggheads: 1.46m (8.1%)
20:00 - University Challenge: 2.85m (11.9%)
20:30 - Nigellisima: 2.21m (9.2%)
21:00 - Wonderland: I Was Once A Beauty Queen: 1.3m (5.5%)

ITV1
17:00 - The Chase: 2.85m (20.8%), +1: 220k (1.2%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 7.13m (34.2%), +1: 126k (0.5%)
19:30 - Coronation Street: 8.73m (39.3%), +1: 165k (0.7%)
20:00 - Paul O'Grady's For The Love of Dogs: 4.66m (19.4%), +1: 333k (1.4%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.52m (35.3%), +1: 246k (1.1%)
21:00 - Monroe: 3.08m (13%), +1: 241k (1.4%)
* slot average: 5.2m (21%)

Channel 4
15:15 - Countdown: 570k (7.7%)
16:00 - Deal or No Deal: 1.16m (12.0%)
18:00 - The Simpsons: 1.78m inc +1
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.07m (5.4%), +1: 102k (0.5%)
21:00 - 999: What's Your Emergency: 1.99m (8.4%), +1: 364k (2.2%)
22:00 - 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.38m inc +1

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 699k (9.5%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 866k (5.7%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 698k (3.9%)
20:00 - Classic Car Rescue: 1.02m (4.2%)

Primetime Shares
BBC One - 22.9%
ITV1 - 22.6% (+1: 0.9%)
BBC Two - 6.8%
Channel 4 - 5.4% (+1: 0.9%)
Channel 5 - 3.9% (+1: 0.1%)

All Day Shares inc +1's
BBC One - 21.6%
ITV1 - 20.2%
Channel 4 - 6.7%
BBC Two - 6.1%
Channel 5 - 4.3%
ITV2 - 2.9%
ITV3 - 2.5%
E4 - 2.0%

Multichannel
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 569k (2.9%), +1: 8k

BBC Three
22:30 - EastEnders: 481k (3.3%)

BBC Four
20:30 - Only Connect: 944k (3.9%)
21:00 - Magnificent Machines: The Golden Age of the British Sports Car: 548k (2.3%)

Dave (inc +1)
22:00 - Have I Got A Bit More News For You Christmas Special: 311.5k

E4
18:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 624k (3.5%) inc +1
18:30 - The Big Bang Theory: 810k (4.1%) inc +1
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 674k (3.2%), +1: 88k (0.5%)
21:00 - Revenge: 544k (2.3%) inc +1

Film4 (inc +1)
19:05 - FILM: Angus, Thongs And Perfect Snogging: 161k
21:00 - FILM: The Ugly Truth: 339k

ITV2 (inc +1)
14:35 - The Jeremy Kyle Show: 514k (7.6%)
21:00 - FILM: The Bourne Ultimatum: 774k (4%)

More4 (inc +1)
19:55 - Grand Designs: 297k
21:00 - Grand Designs Australia: 335k

Watch (inc +1)
19:00 - New MasterChef Australia: 172k

Yesterday (inc +1)
19:20 - Last Of The Summer Wine: 342k

Source: Attentional, Bother's Bar, Broadcast, C4 Sales, DS (1, 2), ITV Media
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:34
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I don't see any reason other than tradition, to have MOTD on Saturday night at all especially these days.
I'll give you two reasons: Because it rates really well, and that's still the day that most Premier League matches are played.
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