Originally Posted by newkid30:
“Channel4 sales have not updated yet.
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“Channel4 sales have not updated yet.
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Oh poo!
And now we wait.
The Ratings Thread (Part 41)
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without the news shows each day bbc1 all day share would be beaten by itv
didnt realise how more popular bbc news was compared to itvs this seems strange for itv to have 6.30pm news beaten by local magazine news show on bbc1 and then again the main bbc news at 10 beating itv news at ten by a long way each night wouldnt you move the itv news so it didnt clash with bbc news? seems the old set up when itvs lunch time news went out at 12.30 and the evening news at 5.40 was better than whats on offer now. itvs worse ever move was axing the original news at ten as the bbc would still have 9pm news now meaning itvs 9pm hour would face no great compertition as it does no and its news at ten would be stronger.
think itv should have there own version of the one show at 10pm and news to follow as its clear bbc news rules and that will never change and for a channel needing advertisers the news should be moved to 12.30, 5.40 and ????
didnt realise how more popular bbc news was compared to itvs this seems strange for itv to have 6.30pm news beaten by local magazine news show on bbc1 and then again the main bbc news at 10 beating itv news at ten by a long way each night wouldnt you move the itv news so it didnt clash with bbc news? seems the old set up when itvs lunch time news went out at 12.30 and the evening news at 5.40 was better than whats on offer now. itvs worse ever move was axing the original news at ten as the bbc would still have 9pm news now meaning itvs 9pm hour would face no great compertition as it does no and its news at ten would be stronger.
think itv should have there own version of the one show at 10pm and news to follow as its clear bbc news rules and that will never change and for a channel needing advertisers the news should be moved to 12.30, 5.40 and ????
as some 9pm dramas on bbc1 and itv 1 hardly done well since september is this just the way tv audience will continue to decline and become spread out even more with even a soap pulling in mostly 4 million and being the most watched show of the day etc in the future. just seems now each year there is a drop for everything from dramas and soaps and gameshows etc.
I would like more good uk dramas on tv but when channels make an effort they struggle to pull in 5 million each week then when celeb dancing or jungle on more people watch but moan bout all celeb shows on tv so why not watch the dramas!! know some are better than others but appart from already established dramas like new tricks and downton no new drama really takes off looks like the futures less 9pm dramas and more cheap made shows 8-(
I would like more good uk dramas on tv but when channels make an effort they struggle to pull in 5 million each week then when celeb dancing or jungle on more people watch but moan bout all celeb shows on tv so why not watch the dramas!! know some are better than others but appart from already established dramas like new tricks and downton no new drama really takes off looks like the futures less 9pm dramas and more cheap made shows 8-(
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I think the opener did enough to get people back for more. When you consider Cuckoo on BBC3 started with over 1m and is now at half a million Red Dwarf is holding up well.
That's excellent news of them. How did Channel 4's documentary do in terms of ABC1 and 16-34 viewers?”
“I think the opener did enough to get people back for more. When you consider Cuckoo on BBC3 started with over 1m and is now at half a million Red Dwarf is holding up well.
That's excellent news of them. How did Channel 4's documentary do in terms of ABC1 and 16-34 viewers?”
ABC1 = 54%, 16-34 = 22% excl +1
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Bit more news on Person of Interest:
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“Bit more news on Person of Interest:
Spoiler
Yay!! Have to say this has been my favourite new US show this year, takes a couple episodes to get into, but I'm hooked, I do understand what he means about Tuesdays and woman, I think Cowboy Builders leading into Body of Proof will do better overall...
Originally Posted by danisfunny:
“Yay!! Have to say this has been my favourite new US show this year, takes a couple episodes to get into, but I'm hooked, I do understand what he means about Tuesdays and woman, I think Cowboy Builders leading into Body of Proof will do better overall...”
“Yay!! Have to say this has been my favourite new US show this year, takes a couple episodes to get into, but I'm hooked, I do understand what he means about Tuesdays and woman, I think Cowboy Builders leading into Body of Proof will do better overall...”
Yeah, took a while for me to get into it as well but now I'm a fan! There's definite logic to their thinking in terms of the slot and the demographics, so I feel a lot happier about the situation now. Stoked as well to get a reply from someone that high up! Very very nice of him to take the time to answer me directly. Hopefully it'll be second time lucky for the show as it deserves a decent audience here in the UK.
I think Hunted might get a second series even if it does badly. It's likely to timeshift well, and Cinemax are part of HBO so (literally) have money to burn on poorly performing TV shows...
Thursday 11th October 2012
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.4m (19.0%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.72m (26%)
18:30 - BBC Regional News: 5.43m (28%)
19:00 - The One Show: 4.59m (23%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 7.60m (35.9%)
20:00 - Waterloo Road: 3.42m (15.2%)
21:00 - Hunted: 3.42m (15.1%)
* slot average: 4.1m (18%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 3.725m (19%)
BBC Two
20:00 - Wartime Farm: 2.65m (11.8%)
21:00 - The Choir: 2.58m (11.4%) inc HD
ITV1
18:00 - ITV Regional News: 3.67m (20%) inc +1
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.80m (20%) inc +1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.9m (34.2%), +1: 123k (0.6%)
19:30 - Tonight: 3.37m inc +1
20:00 - Emmerdale: 5.94m (26.5%), +1: 234k (1.0%)
20:30 - The Corrie Years: 3.19m (14.1%), +1: 154k (0.7%)
21:00 - Homefront: 2.44m (10.8%), +1: 255k (1.5%)
Channel 4
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 743k (3.8%)
20:00 - Location, Location, Location: 2.3m (10.2%), +1: 274k (1.2%)
21:00 - The Plane Crash: 3.15m (14.7%), +1: 338k (2.3%)
* slot average: 1.5m (7%)
* peak: 3.5m (17%) at 22:05 exc +1
Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 713k (9.6%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 893k (5.9%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 733k (4.1%)
20:00 - Heroes of the Skies: 736k (3.3%)
21:00 - Making Faces: 663k (2.9%), +1: 75k (0.4%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One - 19.4%
ITV1 - 16.3% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 4 - 10.0% (+1: 1%)
BBC Two - 9.2%
ITV2 - 3.1% (+1: 0.4%)
Dave - 3.0%
Channel 5 - 2.7% (+1: 0.1%)
BBC Three - 1.8%
Multichannel
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 489k (2.5%), +1: 32k (0.2%)
BBC Three
21:00 - Russell Howard's Good News: 612k (2.7%)
22:30 - EastEnders: 451k (2.9%)
24:30 - Russell Howard's Good News: 314k (8.6%)
BBC Four
20:00 - Horizon: What Happened Before the Big Bang?: 536k (2.4%)
Dave
21:00 - Red Dwarf: 1.1m (4.8%), +1: 34k (0.2%)
22:00 - Red Dwarf Classics: 423k (2%)
22:30 - Red Dwarf Classics: 293k (1.1%)
E4
18:30 - The Big Bang Theory: 620k (3.2%) inc +1
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 449k (2.2%), +1: 92k (0.5%)
20:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 551k (2.5%) inc +1
Film4 (inc +1)
21:00 - Kiss the Girls: 548k (2.9%)
ITV2
20:00 - The X Factor USA: 621k (2.7%), +1: 124k (0.6%)
22:00 - Celebrity Juice: 1.22m (6.5%), +1: 216k (2.1%)
Source: Attentional, Broadcast, DS (1, 2, 3), ITV Media
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.4m (19.0%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.72m (26%)
18:30 - BBC Regional News: 5.43m (28%)
19:00 - The One Show: 4.59m (23%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 7.60m (35.9%)
20:00 - Waterloo Road: 3.42m (15.2%)
21:00 - Hunted: 3.42m (15.1%)
* slot average: 4.1m (18%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 3.725m (19%)
BBC Two
20:00 - Wartime Farm: 2.65m (11.8%)
21:00 - The Choir: 2.58m (11.4%) inc HD
ITV1
18:00 - ITV Regional News: 3.67m (20%) inc +1
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.80m (20%) inc +1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.9m (34.2%), +1: 123k (0.6%)
19:30 - Tonight: 3.37m inc +1
20:00 - Emmerdale: 5.94m (26.5%), +1: 234k (1.0%)
20:30 - The Corrie Years: 3.19m (14.1%), +1: 154k (0.7%)
21:00 - Homefront: 2.44m (10.8%), +1: 255k (1.5%)
Channel 4
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 743k (3.8%)
20:00 - Location, Location, Location: 2.3m (10.2%), +1: 274k (1.2%)
21:00 - The Plane Crash: 3.15m (14.7%), +1: 338k (2.3%)
* slot average: 1.5m (7%)
* peak: 3.5m (17%) at 22:05 exc +1
Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 713k (9.6%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 893k (5.9%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 733k (4.1%)
20:00 - Heroes of the Skies: 736k (3.3%)
21:00 - Making Faces: 663k (2.9%), +1: 75k (0.4%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One - 19.4%
ITV1 - 16.3% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 4 - 10.0% (+1: 1%)
BBC Two - 9.2%
ITV2 - 3.1% (+1: 0.4%)
Dave - 3.0%
Channel 5 - 2.7% (+1: 0.1%)
BBC Three - 1.8%
Multichannel
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 489k (2.5%), +1: 32k (0.2%)
BBC Three
21:00 - Russell Howard's Good News: 612k (2.7%)
22:30 - EastEnders: 451k (2.9%)
24:30 - Russell Howard's Good News: 314k (8.6%)
BBC Four
20:00 - Horizon: What Happened Before the Big Bang?: 536k (2.4%)
Dave
21:00 - Red Dwarf: 1.1m (4.8%), +1: 34k (0.2%)
22:00 - Red Dwarf Classics: 423k (2%)
22:30 - Red Dwarf Classics: 293k (1.1%)
E4
18:30 - The Big Bang Theory: 620k (3.2%) inc +1
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 449k (2.2%), +1: 92k (0.5%)
20:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 551k (2.5%) inc +1
Film4 (inc +1)
21:00 - Kiss the Girls: 548k (2.9%)
ITV2
20:00 - The X Factor USA: 621k (2.7%), +1: 124k (0.6%)
22:00 - Celebrity Juice: 1.22m (6.5%), +1: 216k (2.1%)
Source: Attentional, Broadcast, DS (1, 2, 3), ITV Media
A bit more Channel 5 news...
* The campaign for the Emmy winning miniseries Hatfields & McCoys has begun on air and online. You can see the trailer here: http://www.channel5.com/shows/hatfie...series-trailer
* The Mentalist will be back on Friday 2nd November at 9pm, it's been confirmed.
* New nature series Wild Things with Dominic Monaghan starts during w/c 29th October, day and time TBC.
* milkshake! will add brand new toon Tickety Toc to its lineup from Thursday 1st November.
* The movie premiere on Sunday 28th October will be Nicholas Cage action title Next, time TBC.
* The campaign for the Emmy winning miniseries Hatfields & McCoys has begun on air and online. You can see the trailer here: http://www.channel5.com/shows/hatfie...series-trailer
* The Mentalist will be back on Friday 2nd November at 9pm, it's been confirmed.
* New nature series Wild Things with Dominic Monaghan starts during w/c 29th October, day and time TBC.
* milkshake! will add brand new toon Tickety Toc to its lineup from Thursday 1st November.
* The movie premiere on Sunday 28th October will be Nicholas Cage action title Next, time TBC.
A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
I agree the ratings haven't been good enough these past couple of weeks. Dallas hasn't lived up to the expectation either.
But, onwards and upwards. The one major advantage C5 have over multichannel is they do actually have money! So I don't ever envisage a situation where a multichannel station is consistently beating C5, as there's far fewer repeats and they hold a particularly valuable EPG position. And it doesn't feel like that long ago that Celebrity Big Brother was on air and C5 was clipping at C4's heels a bit, so they can't be doing that badly when you look at the overall picture.
Recent problems stem from scheduling oversights first and foremost. And in last night's case, there isn't really any shame in finishing last with programmes like Heroes of the Skies and Making Faces. Both excellent documentaries that at least improve the image of the brand amongst those that watch. The mistake was probably running those two at the same time one after another, as opposed to pairing them off with something more populist.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Not that 9pm drama rates well with a Corrie lead-in half the time. At least this has proved that midweek pre-watershed entertainment can work, thanks to them actually using a cushy slot to try it out, instead of shoving a crap quiz opposite Holby and then saying "well, we tried it...". There should be more of this kind of thing if only because it helped liven up the schedules and creates more variety week by week.
Well, up until 1984, both channels showed the teatime news at the same time, with BBC1 at 5.40 and ITV at 5.45, and it was said that the one advantage of the BBC news starting at that rather odd time is that it was five minutes before ITV. When they launched the Six O'Clock News there was an interview with Sue Lawley in the Radio Times where she said it was a sensible move because it was a consistent and memorable time, so clearly Sue had never watched Willo The Wisp. When they moved the news to six, for the first year they seemed to have trouble deciding what was going at 5.30 so you got CBBC going on to six o'clock some days - like the last series of Crackerjack and Grange Hill in 1985 which was shown at 5.35 - but then for a bit you had Star Trek at 5.10. In the autumn of 1985 they appeared to have decided kids telly officially ended at 5.35, to coincide with the arrival of the Broom Cupboard.
Before the arrival of Neighbours the BBC1 5.35 slot was a right brantub, like ITV, but shows like Masterteam were very popular, In the One Day In The Life Of Television, a load of ITV people complain about the Beeb because the arrival of Neighbours has hit the audience of the 5.45 news and given the regional news a crappy lead-in, the editor of Granada Reports saying he "hated" the BBC, especially when they signed up Anna Ford to read the Six O'Clock News which he considered a highly aggressive move. Which makes him sound a bit of a paranoid hypocrite, to be honest.”
“Not that 9pm drama rates well with a Corrie lead-in half the time. At least this has proved that midweek pre-watershed entertainment can work, thanks to them actually using a cushy slot to try it out, instead of shoving a crap quiz opposite Holby and then saying "well, we tried it...". There should be more of this kind of thing if only because it helped liven up the schedules and creates more variety week by week.
Well, up until 1984, both channels showed the teatime news at the same time, with BBC1 at 5.40 and ITV at 5.45, and it was said that the one advantage of the BBC news starting at that rather odd time is that it was five minutes before ITV. When they launched the Six O'Clock News there was an interview with Sue Lawley in the Radio Times where she said it was a sensible move because it was a consistent and memorable time, so clearly Sue had never watched Willo The Wisp. When they moved the news to six, for the first year they seemed to have trouble deciding what was going at 5.30 so you got CBBC going on to six o'clock some days - like the last series of Crackerjack and Grange Hill in 1985 which was shown at 5.35 - but then for a bit you had Star Trek at 5.10. In the autumn of 1985 they appeared to have decided kids telly officially ended at 5.35, to coincide with the arrival of the Broom Cupboard.
Before the arrival of Neighbours the BBC1 5.35 slot was a right brantub, like ITV, but shows like Masterteam were very popular, In the One Day In The Life Of Television, a load of ITV people complain about the Beeb because the arrival of Neighbours has hit the audience of the 5.45 news and given the regional news a crappy lead-in, the editor of Granada Reports saying he "hated" the BBC, especially when they signed up Anna Ford to read the Six O'Clock News which he considered a highly aggressive move. Which makes him sound a bit of a paranoid hypocrite, to be honest.”
A great trip down memory lane there Steve - thanks for that post.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
They definitely seem to be having a difficult time. Which makes me realise that nobody is doing well just now. ITV and Channel 4's problems are well documented. BBC1 seems to be underperforming a bit given the high hopes people had after The Olympics and with a lot of (apparently) promising new stuff hitting the air. Channel 5 have run aground since BB finished. The big success of the season so far is probably Great British Bake Off on the little discussed BBC2!
Once again, ITV2 managed to beat Channel 5 with an average nightly share of 3.1% (+1: 0.4%). Dave (3%) managed to pip BBC Three (1.8%) into runner-up among the digital networks.
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“Fantastic rating for The Plane Crash, I'd imagine it got great demos too.
Hunted got the ratings it deserves, complete rubbish. Noone wants to watch a poor actress quiver their bottom lip for an hour every week no matter how hot they are.
I don't understand why neither BBC1 or ITV do a good proper thriller drama a la Homeland or the Scandinavian thrillers. The key is good writing and direction. A glossy production in no way makes up for shoddy script and acting.”
“Fantastic rating for The Plane Crash, I'd imagine it got great demos too.
Hunted got the ratings it deserves, complete rubbish. Noone wants to watch a poor actress quiver their bottom lip for an hour every week no matter how hot they are.
I don't understand why neither BBC1 or ITV do a good proper thriller drama a la Homeland or the Scandinavian thrillers. The key is good writing and direction. A glossy production in no way makes up for shoddy script and acting.”
I think its one of those things that sounds good on paper but it just didn't pull it off-Expect it to crash again next week, I liked the first episode but yesterdays was dire and I gave up with 15 minutes to go-Expect it to be shunted to the slot Good Cop has for its last episode (10.30 on a saturday) if next week crashes-Its outcasts all over again
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“A great trip down memory lane there Steve - thanks for that post.”
“A great trip down memory lane there Steve - thanks for that post.
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Michael Grade said one of his daughters had suggested moving Neighbours to 5.30 pm (it had previously only been shown at lunchtime). Didn't stop him claiming it as an inspired ratings move.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
“A bit concerned with Channel 5's recent ratings, too often it is below 3.5% in primetime and it seems that "a multichannel" is beating Channel 5 every few days, which shouldn't be happening.
I know Dallas dropped in other countries, but the PR hasn't paid off for them, because it is now just 'another show' in its line-up and is doing no more than other shows.”
Dallas is actually doing better of most of Channel 5's other shows and has been number 1 on the BARB chart. The channel needs 3 or 4 big shows that they can build a schedule around.
Originally Posted by rivkin:
“Once again, ITV2 managed to beat Channel 5 with an average nightly share of 3.1% (+1: 0.4%). Dave (3%) managed to pip BBC Three (1.8%) into runner-up among the digital networks.”
“Once again, ITV2 managed to beat Channel 5 with an average nightly share of 3.1% (+1: 0.4%). Dave (3%) managed to pip BBC Three (1.8%) into runner-up among the digital networks.”
That's a funny definition of "pip." Big difference between 3% and 1.8%.
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“I think its one of those things that sounds good on paper but it just didn't pull it off-Expect it to crash again next week, I liked the first episode but yesterdays was dire and I gave up with 15 minutes to go-Expect it to be shunted to the slot Good Cop has for its last episode (10.30 on a saturday) if next week crashes-Its outcasts all over again”
“I think its one of those things that sounds good on paper but it just didn't pull it off-Expect it to crash again next week, I liked the first episode but yesterdays was dire and I gave up with 15 minutes to go-Expect it to be shunted to the slot Good Cop has for its last episode (10.30 on a saturday) if next week crashes-Its outcasts all over again
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Indeed. It’s klassic Kudos style-over-kontent krap. BIG mistake stretching this out over 8 weeks but then Kudos gets those kind of commissions seemingly automatically, whether the subject warrants it or not. It’s good to have friends at the Beeb I guess.....
It’ll be interesting to watch this one fail and see if it finally has any effect (in conjunction with Outcasts) on Kudos komissions going forward.
More much needed good news for The CW which averaged 3.3m and a 1.4 rating among adults 18-49. The Vampire Diaries was up a tenth from last year to a 1.6 rating while Beauty and the Beast matched the series premiere of The Secret Circle with a 1.3. Of course, as TSC showed, a decent premiere might not count for much come next April.
With the VP debate covering 9-11pm on the big 4 networks the only hour in play was 8pm which was generally down. X Factor slipped two tenths to a 2.9, its lowest of the season, The Big Bang Theory was down seven tenths to a 4.2, Two and a Half Men was down two tenths to a 3.4, Last Resort is really in bother now losing 3 tenths to post a 1.6. Awful for NBC again with 30 Rock on a 1.4 and Up All Night posting a woeful 1.2 meaning The CW comfortably beat NBC in the 8pm hour and tied ABC.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...debate/152645/
With the VP debate covering 9-11pm on the big 4 networks the only hour in play was 8pm which was generally down. X Factor slipped two tenths to a 2.9, its lowest of the season, The Big Bang Theory was down seven tenths to a 4.2, Two and a Half Men was down two tenths to a 3.4, Last Resort is really in bother now losing 3 tenths to post a 1.6. Awful for NBC again with 30 Rock on a 1.4 and Up All Night posting a woeful 1.2 meaning The CW comfortably beat NBC in the 8pm hour and tied ABC.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...debate/152645/
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