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The Ratings Thread (Part 41)
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AlexiR
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'm not up to speed with US telly so I had to Google these guys. Pleasantly surprised to learn that Fuller wrote one of my favourite Star Trek: Voyager episodes ("Workforce") - also apparently some eps of Pushing Daisies and Heroes. Singer exec-produced 175 episodes of House? Quite a big cheese then. Great to hear that a new Trek series might happen some day.”

Bryan Fuller is an amazing talent. He created the short lived but excellent Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies. He wrote the best ever episode of Heroes which was itself a fantastic hour of television and was largely responsible for its excellent first season (it completely fell apart when he left). I think he was an executive producer/show runner on Deep Space 9 and/or Voyager as well. He's also the man behind NBC's upcoming Hannibal and their reboot of The Munsters Mocking Bird Lane. Bryan Singer directed the first two X-Men films, The Usual Suspects, the House pilot and I think the Prison Break pilot. He did Superman Returns as well but we won't talk about that. He tried to get a Star Trek series on the air back in '04 or '05 just before Abrams came on board to reboot as a film. He's also set to direct Mocking Bird Lane.

If they both want to try and do a series (and they've both said they still want to do a series) I'd guess there's a pretty good chance someone will at least pilot one. They aren't the only ones who are interested either. Quite a lot of people have said they'd be open to write a new Star Trek series so its really just waiting for someone to give it a green light.
Charnham
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“ So any Star Trek television series would have to be somewhat separate to the films”

fair enough, and I suspect it would be a new ship and new crew, but it would be nice if they could use the new timeline for the series.

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“ My guess is that Abrams will do a trilogy of Trek films and then bow out which would leave the door open for a new series to launch in the same universe. Or to reboot everything again. .”

would hate to see the creation of a whole new timeline, for only 3 movies. That is nothing.

That said I suspect you are right, actors will most likely have signed with 3 with the possibility of additional films, but you figure the 4th movie will start to see cast & crew changes, and after seeing 4, I will be saying, they should have stuck at 3.

I was a little surprised they introduced Sulu and Chekov in the first movie, they didnt do a whole lot (and certainly nothing some more generic Star Fleets officers couldn't have done), and maybe it would have been more helpful to introduce them in the later movies, as and when something new was needed.
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Deadline reporting that Simon Cowell and Will.i.am are going to team up to make 'The X Factor for tech'. Whatever the hell that means. Although it appears to just be a restatement of a story from The Sun.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/simo...for-tech-show/
Jonwo
01-10-2012
I think Star Trek will remain as films for now, I think the film's great and managed to revive interest in what was a tired franchise, I think a TV series will happen but it won't be until after the film series is done.

If George Lucas ever gets round to it, I think the proposed live action Star Wars series would get a lot of attention from broadcast and cable but I imagine it'll likely end up on FOX or NBC.
Brekkie
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I've said it before (and I'm sure I'll say it again) I think its a shame that ITV don't make better use of imports. Even if its just airing them over the summer when their own original content tends to sink anyway. A couple of US dramas airing over the summer would give them a cheap alternative to their usual terrible summer output and I think the audience would be willing to accept it especially if its backed up with more investment in original content the rest of the year.”

Could certainly boost the post news slot for them, even if it's just doing something similar to the BBC did with The Wire and running a series in full after it's ended completely.
NeilVW
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I was a little surprised they introduced Sulu and Chekov in the first movie, they didnt do a whole lot (and certainly nothing some more generic Star Fleets officers couldn't have done), and maybe it would have been more helpful to introduce them in the later movies, as and when something new was needed.”

Ensign Ricky?

I don't know, Chekov had a few good lines. "Wictor, Wictor..Two Nine"!

It's a measure of the overall success of the Trek franchise that its re-runs air on three UK digital channels at the moment, albeit not available to all platforms. Voyager runs perennially on Sky Atlantic, often making their top 10 on BARB, although 80-90k is sufficient to do that, as the channel's performance is so dire in the main.
Agent F
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Could certainly boost the post news slot for them, even if it's just doing something similar to the BBC did with The Wire and running a series in full after it's ended completely.”

They've tried it before. I remember they had the rights to Dexter and ran it post-news for a couple of seasons but it was dropped soon after.
AlexiR
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“If George Lucas ever gets round to it, I think the proposed live action Star Wars series would get a lot of attention from broadcast and cable but I imagine it'll likely end up on FOX or NBC.”

I'm not sure that's ever going to happen. From all accounts what Lucas wants to do is ridiculously expensive and so no one wants to do it. Of course if he really wanted or wants to do it he could have taken on more of the costs of producing it and banked on making it back internationally and through DVD's and merchandise. In general I think everyone would be best to avoid it anyway. It has expensive disaster written all over it.
Charnham
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I don't know, Chekovhad a few good lines. "Wictor, Wictor..Two Nine"!”

yes they had a few good lines, I just wonder if in the long run, it would be better to trade those lines, for them appearing more in later movies, when the other characters are more established, meaning that more time can be given to them.

Of course its fair to point out, this was always the way, Sullu and Chekov having alot fewer lines, than anyone else, so in a way its just the new movie, continuing that trend.

I just think that over the life time of the new movie franchise, it might have paid to introduce them later. as it stands they could leave after 3 and have added not that much else, which is not my view of them in the original cast movies, even if there parts were smaller, they still added alot.

Saying all that Sulu did much better out of it than Chekov, Captain of the Excelsior and all.
Fudd
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“BBC3's entertainment news just reported series highs for Downton Abbey (10m) and TXF (9.8m) last night. Is that right? They've included +1, but they're repeating DS's mistake in using the error-prone figures last weekend for TXF, aren't they? Not actually a series high.”

Was the BARB reported 9.8m for last week excluding +1? If not, then it'll be nip and tuck between this week and last week which show rated higher.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Just checked Digiguide and saw that specially-extended news! (22:10-23:30). It could be a hybrid bulletin/Strictly after-show, complete with a scantily-clad Fiona Bruce, but we already know that Good Cop is going to air at 22:30 that night, don't we? I only ask because Points of View mentioned the postponement but couldn't give a firm date.”

Of course; they said Good Cop would air at 10.30pm so could we guess BBC One's schedule working back?

17.30 Total Wipeout
18.30 Strictly Come Dancing
20.25 Merlin
21.10 Casualty
22.00 National Lottery Draws
22.10 BBC News and Weather
22.30 Good Cop

Exactly as they have it now. I'm not sure whether they have enough scope to move Strictly back to avoid The X Factor so I guess the ball is firmly in ITV's court. They may move The X Factor back to 8.15pm to lessen the clash but it's a 135 minute show.
Jonwo
01-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm not sure that's ever going to happen. From all accounts what Lucas wants to do is ridiculously expensive and so no one wants to do it. Of course if he really wanted or wants to do it he could have taken on more of the costs of producing it and banked on making it back internationally and through DVD's and merchandise. In general I think everyone would be best to avoid it anyway. It has expensive disaster written all over it.”

After Terra Nova, I think networks will probably avoid pricey series even if it does have the brand of Star Wars. Falling Skies is lucky it's on TNT as I imagine it would last two seasons at most on a broadcast network.
Dancc
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'd highly recommend finding the time to watch it. Seasons 1-4 are some of the best television you'll ever see. Season 4 in particular is just phenomenal television. Things come off the rails a little with seasons 5 and 6. Although I thought season 6 improved greatly with the final few episodes (that's far from a universal opinion though). Season 7 is so far a brilliant return to form.”

Agree that Season 4 was the best. Season 6 was poor by Dexter's standards but I still watched the whole thing in about 5 days so it can't have been that bad!

The decline in quality was perhaps reflected to a degree in the UK ratings which seemed a little low last time, falling to just 194k for the penultimate episode of the season before rallying to 269k for the finale. I daresay it doesn't help that FX are as far behind US transmission as they currently are.

Hopefully the writers can get things back on track with Season 7 which looks immense from what I've seen and heard so far.
Fudd
02-10-2012
Final Reminder
The NEXT SEASON of the DS Ratings Predictions Game is up and running, so if you haven't played for a while why not have a go at it?

The schedule can be found HERE; it includes two Star Ratings which are explained in post 8.

Thanks to everyone who takes part.
Wryip
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'd highly recommend finding the time to watch it. Seasons 1-4 are some of the best television you'll ever see. Season 4 in particular is just phenomenal television. Things come off the rails a little with seasons 5 and 6. Although I thought season 6 improved greatly with the final few episodes (that's far from a universal opinion though). Season 7 is so far a brilliant return to form.

I've said it before (and I'm sure I'll say it again) I think its a shame that ITV don't make better use of imports. Even if its just airing them over the summer when their own original content tends to sink anyway. A couple of US dramas airing over the summer would give them a cheap alternative to their usual terrible summer output and I think the audience would be willing to accept it especially if its backed up with more investment in original content the rest of the year.”

Is a shame in general that imports are overlooked on both BBC and ITV. It was not long ago that between BBC and ITV they had Mad Men, Damages and Dexter all brilliant series if not tucked away after the news. As you say they would be ideal in the Summer. Something like Revenge is wasted on E4, even if it does have a plum slot and Once Upon a Time could run on Saturday nights quite easily. I guess the biggest problem with American series are the commitment to show 22 episodes. For someone like BBC and ITV 22 weeks is a lot longer than their traditional summer period. And its not just American shows either, the odd show in Australia could do well in the UK I believe, especially those on the ABC (which essentially is a lot more British in its outlook than the more American commercial networks). Mrs Fisher's murder mysterys would suit ITV perfectly for Friday or Sunday nights (though perhaps the demos might make it more ITV3 fodder), and ABC are about to show 2 Jack Irish tele movies,, these are written by Peter Temple (who I believe is popuar in the UK), but even if he isn't it stars Guy Pearce which has to be a pull. Presuming these are 90minute episodes on the ABC, it could easily fill 2 x 2 hour slots on ITV on a sunday or wednesday night
tamibeckett
02-10-2012
So Deadline.com is reporting that Munsters reboot is most likely not happening..
Steve Williams
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“But that's just one show then more factual. Autumn Sundays on BBC1 used to have far more variety. It's just not good enough.”

But you can't just judge a channel on one day, especially one where its main rival is showing two of its biggest shows. Saturday on BBC1 has got two dramas on it, which ITV certainly aren't doing, and they usually show three dramas back to back on a Tuesday as well.

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Did Call The Midwife become a hit because it was good or because, after years of the same old, same as, there genuinely was something fresh and new to watch?”

Call The Midwife wasn't new, though, it was a period drama and, as mentioned, took the slot previously held by Lark Rise to Candleford, another period drama. By that reckoning Outcasts would have been a smah hit, that was certainly new and followed the same line-up in autumn Sundays. But it definitely wasn't.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“10 Sky1 18:00 The Simpsons 548 3”

First rating I've seen for a new episode of The Simpsons for a long time. They're really throwing these away at six o'clock, though, 6.30 would be the better slot, not just because it's the traditional slot but because it now starts more or less on the final whistle of the Premier League match on Sky Sports.

Originally Posted by paltonz:
“As for 666 Park Avenue, that is a worrying number.”

I do hope Park Avenue is an adaptation of the old text-based soap they used to do on Oracle.
KennyT
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Regarding CBBC's top 10:

1 THE SCOOBY DOO SHOW (MON 1601) 369
2 THE SCOOBY DOO SHOW (TUE 1601) 308
3 WOLFBLOOD (TUE 1718) 294
4 MI HIGH (TUE 1748) 281
5 SCHOOL FOR STARS (TUE 1632) 278
6 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (TUE 1702) 264
7 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (FRI 0726) 263
8 THE STORY OF TRACY BEAKER (WED 1701) 262
9 FILM: HOTEL FOR DOGS (2008) (SAT 0757) 257
10 SCHOOL FOR STARS (MON 1631) 257

The Scooby Doo Show is still beating everything, as well as Wolflbood only managing 294k. Maybe when Wizards vs Aliens begins to air, the ratings will be like Sarah Jane Adventures at this period 2 years ago (when they were around the 800-900k mark).”

Wolfblood, e7 is currently in the top10 iPlayer table, so word may be getting around...

K
kwynne42
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Yet again Robbie thinks the only reason for the BBC & their schedules is to dent ITV.

Funny how you want the BBC to air a drama up against Downton Abbey to keep it in check, yet only a few days ago were complaining about ITV daring to air an episode of Coronation Street around a single showing of Strictly. ”

While I don't neccessarily normally agree with everything you say but what you say rings a bell here. Last year when Spooks was against Downton Robbie spent the whole of of their clash moaning about Spooks ratings and saying you shouldn't put other Drama's against DA, changed his mind has he or just being diificult I leave it for you to decide.
derek500
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Just hope for them they keep it - and hope for fans it continues to rates and doesn't go the way so many US shows have gone before on C4.”

Doesn't help putting it opposite Downton. Don't know about crossover, but we watch them both and Strike Back on Sky too in the same slot.

Good job the BBC didn't put Hunted there too!!

Hope C4 do a repeat in the week. We already use the Sunday afternoon repeat of Downton and the late night repeat of Strike Back to get around the crowded schedule.
Dancc
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Hope C4 do a repeat in the week.”

Nothing on C4.

There's three repeat slots on 4Seven. Yep, in standard definition.
dubsj
02-10-2012
1.7m for Hotel GB
cylon6
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“1.7m for Hotel GB”

Do you have anymore for yesterday?
RobbieSykes123
02-10-2012
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RobbieSykes123
02-10-2012
NT 7.2m
Monroe 3.7m (presume includes repeat)

(MediaGuardian)
cylon6
02-10-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“NT 7.2m
Monroe 3.7m (presume inclosed repeat)

(MediaGuardian)”

I like Monroe. Shame it has to clash with New Tricks which I love.
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