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Old 03-10-2012, 11:04
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...n-android.html

What do you guys make of this?? and it turns out he's an Android user

I think this would likely dent Iphone sales though. It is the fact that people are hard wired in to itunes which makes it difficult for many to leave the Iphone. Having it on an Android device will only boost sales for the rival phone makers.

Would be a bad move right? Or would people like to see this? Don't think Jobs would have been too happy with these comments!
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:24
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He didn't 'call' for iTunes on Android

He was asked as part of an interview what he'd do differently if he was still at Apple.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:50
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Old school hacker guy that has not done anything relevant in the past 15 years, yeah this is such a big deal
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:55
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He wants the war between Apple and Android to end, iTunes on Android would be a sign of it. He's right about that that porting iTunes to Windows opened the door for various Apple gadgets to spread beyond Apple computer users. But in case of Android, I don't think Google would welcome that
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:06
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He wants the war between Apple and Android to end, iTunes on Android would be a sign of it. He's right about that that porting iTunes to Windows opened the door for various Apple gadgets to spread beyond Apple computer users. But in case of Android, I don't think Google would welcome that
Google couldn't stop it, Android is an open system. Apple could set up iTunes for Android just like Amazon set up their own shop.

This is one of the great things about Android.
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Old 03-10-2012, 13:39
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Can you hear that?

That's the sound of Jobs spinning in his grave.
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Old 03-10-2012, 13:58
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Surely this would be a great idea for the consumer (more choice) and Apple (more outlets to flog stuff).
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:06
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Surely this would be a great idea for the consumer (more choice) and Apple (more outlets to flog stuff).
Apple released iTunes on select Motorola phones around 8 years ago. They would not do it now.

Firstly, iTunes is a selling point of Apple's devices (believe it or not).

Secondly, if they went nuts and decided to make it available on Android Google probably wouldn't allow it on the Play Store forcing users into 'sideloading' which is against the Apple ethos of everything 'just working'.

Finally, Apple has a well-known bad relationship with Android and want Google services of their devices (Maps). Jobs thought Android was a stolen product and while he's not there anymore the company is still involved in constant lawsuits against Android OEMs.

Also, it might even 'kill-off' the iPod.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:11
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iTunes on android is interesting.

do apple want to leverage the iphone user base to promote itunes sales or the itunes user base to promote iphone sales.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:13
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Apple released iTunes on select Motorola phones around 8 years ago. They would not do it now.

Firstly, iTunes is a selling point of Apple's devices (believe it or not).

Secondly, if they went nuts and decided to make it available on Android Google probably wouldn't allow it on the Play Store forcing users into 'sideloading' which is against the Apple ethos of everything 'just working'.

Finally, Apple has a well-known bad relationship with Android and want Google services of their devices (Maps). Jobs thought Android was a stolen product and while he's not there anymore the company is still involved in constant lawsuits against Android OEMs.

Also, it might even 'kill-off' the iPod.
i see no reason to believe that is true. you are thinking of apple.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:15
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does itunes add anything at all, to say drag and drop and winamp, or your other favourite player?
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:21
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i see no reason to believe that is true. you are thinking of apple.
So what about the Amazon Appstore for Android? That's not on the Play Store. Google already provide a music store. Why would they easily allow a competitor to overtake it?
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:22
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He better watch out. Apple fans will start labelling him a "Suppressive Person"

Anyway, despite people labelling it rubbish and bloatware, it's huge content of TV, music and movies worldwide means it's still a big advantage Apple aren't going to give to other manufacturers!
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:25
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The question really is... Do Apple need to? Would Google allow it officially. No and probably No.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:33
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So what about the Amazon Appstore for Android? That's not on the Play Store. Google already provide a music store. Why would they easily allow a competitor to overtake it?
they are not arbitrary in their decisions like this. there are things in the appstore that only work on rooted (jailbroken,) devices. you don't see them restricting browser choice. they have no problem with spotify which is another music store. they don't force music to be loaded through a proprietary app. the amazon cloud player is no problem.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:34
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The question really is... Do Apple need to? Would Google allow it officially. No and probably No.
it's not about do they need to. it's can they make more money if they do. and they probably can't.

i can see a case for regulatory intervention though.
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Old 03-10-2012, 14:42
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If they did release it for Android it would probably cannibalise iPod sales (especially the iPod Touch) as people could buy a cheap Galaxy Player with iTunes.
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Old 03-10-2012, 15:38
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Apple released iTunes on select Motorola phones around 8 years ago. They would not do it now.

Firstly, iTunes is a selling point of Apple's devices (believe it or not).

Secondly, if they went nuts and decided to make it available on Android Google probably wouldn't allow it on the Play Store forcing users into 'sideloading' which is against the Apple ethos of everything 'just working'.

Finally, Apple has a well-known bad relationship with Android and want Google services of their devices (Maps). Jobs thought Android was a stolen product and while he's not there anymore the company is still involved in constant lawsuits against Android OEMs.

Also, it might even 'kill-off' the iPod.
Google Play is Google's app store, it isn't Android's app store. It isn't anything like 'sideloading' to instal other app stores on a phone. One simple tick box to tell the OS that you give permission to other sites to instal apps, and you're ready to go.

It might not be pre-loaded by Google on Nexus devices, but there'd be nothing to prevent device manufacturers or carriers pre-loading iTunes on devices. Then it would "just work".

Android isn't a closed eco-system. Google don't control it. A hard concept for some people to grasp, especially if they are used to other closed systems.

I doubt it will happen, but this will be due to lack of interest by Apple, not any technical or commercial issues with Google.
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Old 03-10-2012, 16:02
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Google Play is Google's app store, it isn't Android's app store. It isn't anything like 'sideloading' to instal other app stores on a phone. One simple tick box to tell the OS that you give permission to other sites to instal apps, and you're ready to go.

It might not be pre-loaded by Google on Nexus devices, but there'd be nothing to prevent device manufacturers or carriers pre-loading iTunes on devices. Then it would "just work".

Android isn't a closed eco-system. Google don't control it. A hard concept for some people to grasp, especially if they are used to other closed systems.

I doubt it will happen, but this will be due to lack of interest by Apple, not any technical or commercial issues with Google.
You're forgetting that Google license the Android trademark, and the extra Google apps that are only found on licensed Android devices.

Google has previously threatened device manufacturers with termination or refused renewal of these agreements in order to get their way. Skyhook is a good example of this; Google forced manufacturers to remove Skyhook’s location services from their handsets and use Google's own location services instead.

More recently, Google issued an ultimatum to Acer over its planned launch of devices running a fork of Android, resulting in Acer cancelling the launch.


Google have more control over the Android ecosystem than people realise.
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Old 03-10-2012, 16:03
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Why would any Android user want it on their phone though?

I deleted it off my PC because it was a pile of poo.
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Old 03-10-2012, 16:05
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Google Play is Google's app store, it isn't Android's app store. It isn't anything like 'sideloading' to instal other app stores on a phone. One simple tick box to tell the OS that you give permission to other sites to instal apps, and you're ready to go.

It might not be pre-loaded by Google on Nexus devices, but there'd be nothing to prevent device manufacturers or carriers pre-loading iTunes on devices. Then it would "just work".

Android isn't a closed eco-system. Google don't control it. A hard concept for some people to grasp, especially if they are used to other closed systems.

I doubt it will happen, but this will be due to lack of interest by Apple, not any technical or commercial issues with Google.
I know, but users would need to sideload. Why would manufacturers want iTunes on their phones when they are probably in the process of being sued by Apple.

A simple box to tick (Allow Sideloading of Applications) is one box too many for some people.
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Old 03-10-2012, 16:37
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I know, but users would need to sideload. Why would manufacturers want iTunes on their phones when they are probably in the process of being sued by Apple.

A simple box to tick (Allow Sideloading of Applications) is one box too many for some people.
you understand that a lot of android devices don't even work with the play store? you have to 'sideload' everything?

it's just not the issue on android that you think it is. no more of an issue than i have to 'sideload' iTunes on to my windows computer. you would go to the apple website and click the download link. there is nothing to it. sideloading is a ridiculous name for running the installer.

google don't control what is installed on android devices any more than microsoft do what is on windows.

you'll notice the kindle running android and coming with all of amazon's own stuff.
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Old 03-10-2012, 16:50
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Google don't control what is installed on android devices any more than microsoft do what is on windows.
I know but most users won't want it if it isn't on the Play Store.

They will take one look at the security warning when you have to enable sideloading and back off.
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Old 03-10-2012, 17:02
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I know but most users won't want it if it isn't on the Play Store.

They will take one look at the security warning when you have to enable sideloading and back off.
it doesn't mention 'sideloading'. it says enabling installations from sources other than the play store.

the apple website would say to click yes, the same as it does on windows. it's not an issue. the bigger issue is actually getting people to not click yes to security warnings.
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Old 03-10-2012, 17:40
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So what about the Amazon Appstore for Android? That's not on the Play Store. Google already provide a music store. Why would they easily allow a competitor to overtake it?
The terms of Google Play do not permit the release of an App that works like an App Store does (i.e. allows you to browse, download and install apps - either for free or at a cost).

There's nothing specific to Amazon there.

Google does allow a wide variety of Apps onto Google Play that sell music or allow you to stream music.

There's not a great deal that you can't put onto Google Play - an "App Store within an App Store" is one of them.
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