Arrow startson Sky 1 Oct 22nd *UK PACE*

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Stansfield

08-11-2012

Originally Posted by Wulfster:
“That's a good point actually...
Presumably "Deadshot" was working for a rival buyer ... or maybe the Russians ... I missed it as well.
Liked the version of "Deadshot", and the fact that they kept the eye-scope and wrist-gun from the comics. Wished they had also kept his "Magnum P.I." moustache from the early comics as well though. Tashes are cool ...
Seems rather odd that they've killed off Floyd so quickly as well, seeing as he's such a major player in the comics. Maybe he'll come back with one-eye or something. Olly did leave in a rush....”

He looked dead to me.

Originally Posted by Corwin:
“One of the other Bidders, the Police arrested him at the aucton party before the shooting started.”

Missed that....

Mr Master X

08-11-2012

Absolutely no way is Deadshot dead. You know with them sticking to serious realistic villains (at least for the time being) they'll get around to the Suicide Squad. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if this is used to fake his death for Suicide Squad work.

I'm guessing by the end of season one his "taking out evil businessmen" operation will be over and the show will change direction for season two. I'd say look for "technology using villains" to start showing up too, at least the more realistic ones. i doubt we'll get any other "main DC hero" until season two seeing as this is basically Green Arrow Begins and it would take away from that.

Stansfield

09-11-2012

Originally Posted by Corwin:
“One of the other Bidders, the Police arrested him at the aucton party before the shooting started.”

Now seen the scene again, and I did notice it first time, just didn't think it was connected.

silentNate

09-11-2012

Originally Posted by Mr Master X:
“Absolutely no way is Deadshot dead. You know with them sticking to serious realistic villains (at least for the time being) they'll get around to the Suicide Squad. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if this is used to fake his death for Suicide Squad work.

I'm guessing by the end of season one his "taking out evil businessmen" operation will be over and the show will change direction for season two. I'd say look for "technology using villains" to start showing up too, at least the more realistic ones. i doubt we'll get any other "main DC hero" until season two seeing as this is basically Green Arrow Begins and it would take away from that.”

I want to see Dinah and Speedy but couldn't give a fig for any 'main DC hero' appearances

mahi

13-11-2012

I had high hopes for this show but I'm getting a little bit bored, it seems quite formulaic....another week, another name on the hit-list crossed off, etc. It's a bit of a naff "super-power" but he's a billionaire so can buy/do pretty much anything...it all seems a bit too easy. Would like to see him maybe challenged by a recurring villain.

Will give this another couple of weeks or so to see if it picks up.

Stansfield

13-11-2012

So, JB turned up last night, as the 'Well Dressed Man'...

...he wasn't that bad really.

Liked how Laurel got involved in the List this week, but she has to recognise Oliver soon, her Dad has {how is he going to get out of that one}.....Prison Break-In was good too.
Plus the IT Girl, still around...

And the Queen's Gambit turning up at the end.

..did the 'Well Dressed Man' have a hand in that.

Jenzen

13-11-2012

So far I'm a bit bored by this. As someone said above its pretty formulaic. Also I think the casting seems poor, Stephem Amell as Arrow is ok, as is the actress who plays his sister. But some of the acting is very wooden in particular Katie Cassidy as Laurel. Im guessing she is meant to be his main love interest but there is zero chemistry between them.

Going to keep watching and hope it picks up.

Saigo

13-11-2012

Originally Posted by mahi:
“I had high hopes for this show but I'm getting a little bit bored, it seems quite formulaic....another week, another name on the hit-list crossed off, etc. It's a bit of a naff "super-power" but he's a billionaire so can buy/do pretty much anything...it all seems a bit too easy. Would like to see him maybe challenged by a recurring villain.

Will give this another couple of weeks or so to see if it picks up.”

I don't know how you can say it is "formulaic". You can apply your 'name on the list' theory to any tv series or film series. Name me a series of any kind which does not have a formula?

This episode introduced so many new developing plot points:
[LIST][*]The boat in the warehouse and the siphoned off money.[*]Diggle agreeing to work with Queen.[*]The Detective getting Queen on CCTV and subsequently arresting him.[*]The Well dressed man in the limo and his relationship with the mother.[*]The ongoing island backstory.[/LIST]
All of which provide intrigue and/or cliffhangers IMO.

And then you had Oli recruiting his ex-missus to help, his disguise as a prison guard, Laurel initially trusting Arrow and then going off him, Conflict between Laurel and her father. Oli making up with his sister.

Even the name in the book was a different slant as it involved an innocent man facing execution.

This episode contained very little of what was in the previous episodes and it is shaping up very nicely with many strands, good action and some funny lines.

Again, I can't think of a series without a formula.

Stansfield

13-11-2012

Originally Posted by Saigo:
“I don't know how you can say it is "formulaic". You can apply your 'name on the list' theory to any tv series or film series. Name me a series of any kind which does not have a formula?

This episode introduced so many new developing plot points:
[LIST][*]The boat in the warehouse and the siphoned off money.[*]Diggle agreeing to work with Queen.[*]The Detective getting Queen on CCTV and subsequently arresting him.[*]The Well dressed man in the limo and his relationship with the mother.[*]The ongoing island backstory.[/LIST]
All of which provide intrigue and/or cliffhangers IMO.

And then you had Oli recruiting his ex-missus to help, his disguise as a prison guard, Laurel initially trusting Arrow and then going off him, Conflict between Laurel and her father. Oli making up with his sister.

Even the name in the book was a different slant as it involved an innocent man facing execution.

This episode contained very little of what was in the previous episodes and it is shaping up very nicely with many strands, good action and some funny lines.

Again, I can't think of a series without a formula.”

Me too.....But there is a real page turner of a Story too, and this week, was no different...with the Boat and Oliver, being caught out on CCTV.

Wulfster

13-11-2012

Yeah. I'm still enjoying it and there's still plenty of mileage in the story and set-up yet.

The only thing that I was disappointed with this week (apart from John-Bloody-Barrowman ... sorry ... not a fan), was the sudden "Oh-The-Bodyguard-just-confessed" line thrown in at the last minute!,
Little bit lazy...

However, the boat, the CCTV arrest, and Digs signing up made it all worthwhile.
There's not been a dull week so far.
I think the "occupy Wall Street" theme which has been running through the series, is a perfect fit for the character

Also, loved the reference to "Bludhaven" (Dick Grayson's old haunt) in the train sequence.

There's still plenty of scope for some of the old comic major plotlines to be integrated, without ruining the mood of the series. I'll list some of the ones I think could turn up later in the series, but probably won't
They're not really spoilers as they might never happen (bit like the "Walking Dead" comics and the series), but I'll put them in a spoiler box, just in case...

Spoiler

Jenzen

13-11-2012

All shows in essence have a common theme running through them but don't necessarily feel so predictable, Lost is a good example of this especially in season one

Some people derive comfort from a strong formula in a show, common with murder/detective based shows, but I don't personally. Arrow so far has had no surprises at all for me, and the themes are very familiar from other shows. I haven't read the comics though so do not have any expectations or ideas about future characters etc.

It just seems lacklustre to me, not much humour and very little spark from the characters except for Thea. But I'm still watching in the hope it does get better, I can see it has some potential.

Woodentop

13-11-2012

Personally, I think it's perfectly passable and enjoyable tv. The series is in it's infancy and much is being revealed which should suggest there are many unexpected turns yet to come. Certainly, you wouldn't expect he to identify himself, nor be identified so soon. The sinking of the yatch was clearly deliberate and is business and money orientated. Surprised that the partner is likely to be the good guy, not as intimated by Oliver in the early episodes.

Jenzen

13-11-2012

Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“The series is in it's infancy and much is being revealed which should suggest there are many unexpected turns yet to come.”

Pretty much why I am still watching it even though I'm not mad about it, I like to give a new show a decent amount of time to get good, too many shows get cancelled these days before they get a chance to establish themselves.

Mr Master X

14-11-2012

It's been great so far and nowhere near as formulaic as some of you indicate. He's a vigilante that stops bad guys each episode. That's the formula, but what else was really expected...? He's not going to take the week off and auction for musical theatre and BAM musical episode, is he? Something new to build the story/plot/characters has happened every episode. Some of you need to go learn what a true formulaic show is really like.

rionia

14-11-2012

Originally Posted by Mr Master X:
“It's been great so far and nowhere near as formulaic as some of you indicate. He's a vigilante that stops bad guys each episode. That's the formula, but what else was really expected...? He's not going to take the week off and auction for musical theatre and BAM musical episode, is he?”

Barrowman!

Saigo

14-11-2012

Originally Posted by Jenzen:
“All shows in essence have a common theme running through them but don't necessarily feel so predictable, Lost is a good example of this especially in season one ”

I would much prefer something like Arrow that appears to think about how its threads hang together rather than Lost which just threw random, increasingly odd things in without rhyme or reason and then either struggled to explain them or just didn't bother.

There is no sign of Polar Bears in Arrow...

Jenzen

14-11-2012

Originally Posted by Saigo:
“I would much prefer something like Arrow that appears to think about how its threads hang together rather than Lost which just threw random, increasingly odd things in without rhyme or reason and then either struggled to explain them or just didn't bother.

There is no sign of Polar Bears in Arrow...”

Each to their own, I loved the randomness and suspense of Lost, and they did explain most things in the end, other things you could make your own mind up about I liked that.

You can have a show more structured e.g. Person of Interest which also appeared very rigid for the first few episodes, but it held my interest more because its writing was good and the acting excellent. Arrow is weak in those two areas so far to me, but as I said earlier above, I am still watching because I feel it has potential.

Whovian1109

14-11-2012

I'm really enjoying Arrow so far, Monday's episode was a cracker, though the resolution felt very rushed but then it had to be done in order to drop the end of episode bombshells.

whedon247

15-11-2012

ill add my name to the list of those enjoying it

no cool bad guys really yet but its all part of a bigger interesting storyline at the moment

also arrow is very cool compared to smallville one

Saigo

15-11-2012

Originally Posted by Jenzen:
“Each to their own, I loved the randomness and suspense of Lost, and they did explain most things in the end, other things you could make your own mind up about I liked that.

You can have a show more structured e.g. Person of Interest which also appeared very rigid for the first few episodes, but it held my interest more because its writing was good and the acting excellent. Arrow is weak in those two areas so far to me, but as I said earlier above, I am still watching because I feel it has potential.”

Disagree there too.

Person of Interest is filled with ludicrous expositional dialogue aimed at the lowest common denominator:
And it has a strange detective woman who, on arriving at a crime scene, always dimisses all possibilities and pretty much instantly solves it - "This man was shot twice, this clearly isn't a robbery but a professional hit!" She also thinks a "man in a suit" is a rare beast indeed.

As for the acting - Reese and Finch trying to see who can deliver their lines in the most wooden, expressionless, monotonous way is hardly good acting.

carl.waring

15-11-2012

Originally Posted by Saigo:
“As for the acting - Reese and Finch trying to see who can deliver their lines in the most wooden, expressionless, monotonous way is hardly good acting.”

I disagree completely with your whole post. It's like we're watching different shows

However, on the point above, they are actually acting really well. Try watching a clip of them not in character and they are completely different. They are delivering their lines in that way because that is how those characters would speak; ie not given to great emotions.

Verence

19-11-2012

Good to see that Barrowman has managed to dial down on the campness a bit

Saigo

19-11-2012

Damn, that was a good episode.

This series is everything I hoped for and more.

Wulfster

19-11-2012

5 Reasons to love "Arrow" tonight ....

1) Olly: "You know us billionaire vigilantes ... we love our toys!"
2) Laurel: "I wore those horrible fish-nets." (A clear reference to the original Black Canary costume)
3) DEATHSTROKE!!

4) Diggs as Arrow.
5) "Leo Muller! You have failed this city!" AAARGH! Fades to black ....

Brilliant stuff!

I wish that they'd start referring to him as "Arrow" (if not "Green Arrow") and not simply "The Hood" ...

VideoTapir

19-11-2012

Originally Posted by Wulfster:
“
I wish that they'd start referring to him as "Arrow" (if not "Green Arrow") and not simply "The Hood" ...”

I'm hoping they cotton on to the idea that there's two of them now and start calling them 'The Archers'.

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