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Nice to see $ky lose.

The general entertainment section will only be up to 53 IIRC (regional channels causing this) with the reshuffle so it may be some time before a channel is assigned to 65... It could be 2014 or beyond before this ever happens!

Oh, and I didn't think shopping was general entertainment. I thought it was........ 'shopping'? It should have it's own section, in the 150's

http://www.dmol.co.uk/channels/service_news

So '***' & Sky bitch because they will be moved.
Im glad they were told to shut up and deal with it by DMOL.
If only Ofcom were more like this with Sky.

No sky channels are moving.

Perhaps you should have taken part in the DMOL consultation then - it's rather too late now.

Having said that, if the stories and suppositions are correct, then perhaps QVC successfully argued otherwise.

But Sky News will, in time:

I wasn't aware of it even happening. But next time, I will certainly let me views be known!

Well they moved from the 40's to 80's before so it's happened before.

It was discussed at length on DS.

It does make you wonder if QVC have specific agreed rights to their LCN negotiated in the early days of Freeview. They way DMOL suddenly dropped the idea of a Shopping genre despite the first consultation results, does seem engineered.

They will when General Entertainment fills, as detailed in the DMOL press release.

What's the current rate of new LCNs appearing in the general section? Based on that when will LCN 65 be used, then add 16 weeks, and that is when the News (inc Sky) and childrens section will be moving. Pathetic. Just deferring the pain. They should get it over and done with on 17 Oct so there is one less in the endless round of retunes.

No doubt some sort of a sop to Sky .......

But yes, having had two shuffles, why have another one?

This has effectively put off the move of children's and news channels indefinitely, so Sky has basically won.

Yeah, there isn't even enough capacity on Freeview for enough new channels to get up to EPG 65.

So another reshuffle is taking place on the 17th. I am going to be on holiday until the 29th. so will not be able to re-scan either the TV (which as I will not be at home this does not matter), nor will I be able to re-scan my PVR, which does matter if the programmes I set to record are on LCNs being moved (BBC1 HD for instance).
With the last reshuffle (eg. Yesterday/Dave swap-over) this didn't seem to matter, but will this be the case on the 17th?
regards,
Steve.

It depends entirely on how your PVR handles this. On the Humax HDR Fox T2 it is catastrophic since the box deletes the entire recording schedule on a retune, regardless of whether the channels have changed LCN or not. I use the custom software for the HDR Fox T2 to prevent this, indeed I still haven't done the previous retune (no need).

PVRs don't usually track channels by LCN, they normally use lower level information. So provided the recording schedule isn't actually deleted by the retune, on many boxes the recording will still work. Some boxes may not even retune automatically, it may need to be done manually.

The best thing to do is post your request on a relevant DS forum for your model of box where you're more likely to find relevant experts.

Going by some past events, I am sure that they could rustle up quite a few more part-time channels squeezed into space released by dropping the existing bitrates even further.

Let's start a campaign for enough part-time channels - say an hour a week - to get there as soon as possible so that Sky News has to move. Then they can all close down again.

Any information on what the Two additional Manchester services will be?

And I don't hang around DS 24/7 to notice these things. Jeez!

I've been on DS for years and I missed it.

Well to me it seemed like the main topic of conversation here for a considerable time.