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Did Lisa get good marks because of her weight?
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DiamondDoll
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“Robin's just effectively secured his long-term future on the show, hasn't he? There's no way he won't be asked back after this.”

Lisa was good of course but I was gobsmacked at Robin and, at one point, I thought he was channeling Freddie Mercury.

He wasn't good................he was superb.
FelineFantastic
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“Not what I remember at all. I remember a lot of bitchy posts about Natalie Cassidy, a lot of which focused negatively about her weight.

Prejudice in favour of larger girls? LMAO! Are you kidding me? You'll need to build a better strawman argument than that. Have you seen the state of modern media when it comes to weight, more specifically, a womans weight? Have you looked around this forum? Endless negative threads about weight. For every positive prejudice you can find, you will find hundreds of zealously hateful 'anti-fatty' attitudes; you'll find thousands more condescending, uninformed, ignorant attitudes.

I was at the doctors surgery recently. Now, whilst I wouldn't normally wipe my arse with those 'celeb gossip' type magazines you find all over doctors receptions, let alone pay money for one, just a quick glance over to the table showed what was a myriad of brain imploding spiteful stupidity. The cover on each and every one of them was filled with nothing but who is getting fat, who had wobbly bits, who looks the fattest, who looks too thin, who lost weight, etc. This trash came complete with close up pictures designed to cause maximum embarrassment. It is finger pointing and snickering on an awful level. It's all the more worrying because its sells! I still can't believe people part with money for that sort of trash.

Me personally, I couldn't give a flying f*ck. Fat, thin, big, small, pink, purple or orange... whatever, none of it really f*cking matters. Someone has to have very little going on in their life, (not to mention their heads) if they feel it's important enough to give a damn about something so ridiculously unimportant. I can understand something not being someones 'cup of tea', but not liking something enough to inspire spite is something else altogether.

And yes, I agree, prejudice, positive or negative cheapens any issue and detracts from any intellectual rigour a particular issue may have. But prejudice in favour of largers girls? Sounds like straw you just clutched at.

If Lisa's weight (or the 'celebration' of it) offends your sense of indignation, then whatever works for you. But don't confuse the praise she is getting as a form of positive prejudice. A lot of people had preconceived notions about her ability because of her weight (negative prejudice). Not only did she dispel them, she did so in the most vivacious, skilful, glamorous, energetic, joyfully delightful way.”

*applauds*

Made logging on this morning worthwhile!
CBeeN
08-10-2012
I've just seen her dance on You tube and it was really good.
I'm big and i can dance better than some of my thinner workmates (they have no rhythm )

But i think the scores may have been a tinney bit inflated, but i think she was good as Kimberley and the higher scorers

She can move across that dance floor! can't she but i think cos of her size its natural that her body doesn't have the fluidity than say Kimberleys but thats only because Kimberley is ultra skinny.

It doesn't matter what size you are you can still have rhythm
Agent Krycek
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Lisa was good of course but I was gobsmacked at Robin and, at one point, I thought he was channeling Freddie Mercury.

He wasn't good................he was superb.”

He did break my Camp-o-meter though

I was completely blown away by Lisa, I'm not expecting to like her much, the FUN, FUN, FUN stuff gets seriously on my last nerve (I am a grumpy mare), however, she was light on her feet, moved round the floor with an energy and style that no one else in the latin had, and completely deserved her place at the top of the leader board.

Robin did a comedy routine that played to Lisa's strengths, without being 'lets laugh at Lisa' (yes, Anton, I am looking at you) and most importantly was, from start to finish, a dance routine.
FelineFantastic
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“He did break my Camp-o-meter though

I was completely blown away by Lisa, I'm not expecting to like her much, the FUN, FUN, FUN stuff gets seriously on my last nerve (I am a grumpy mare), however, she was light on her feet, moved round the floor with an energy and style that no one else in the latin had, and completely deserved her place at the top of the leader board.

Robin did a comedy routine that played to Lisa's strengths, without being 'lets laugh at Lisa' (yes, Anton, I am looking at you) and most importantly was, from start to finish, a dance routine.”

Oh its tooooo early for so much applause but *stands and applauds*.

Love to see the Camp-o-meter.... is it spangly and pink?
Rorschach
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“He did break my Camp-o-meter though ”

Mine was still out of action after it exploded thanks to Colin Salmon.
flugella
08-10-2012
Lisa did a great job - yes, her technique needed some work but so did a lot of others - and she had a well-choreographed routine that showcased her strengths. I think this could be Robin's year - he obviously loves working with her and he can show what he can choreograph with a partner who has natural ability.
SCD-Observer
08-10-2012
I am now overseas and had just watched the Friday and Saturday main shows back to back. I have to say Lisa's performance is the best one by a mile.

Her cha-cha legs were STRAIGHT, exactly how the cha-cha should be (to get the hip movements), and she was energetic THROUGHOUT the dance. I suspect she had some dance background to be able to sustain that kind of rigour. Her extensions appeared less convincing only because she seemed to have shorter arms.

Just so people though I am defending her because she's fat (or becaue secrectly I am fat too), I am 1.75cm and 68kg (almost ideal weight by the conventional standards).

Yes, I was a little surprised by Craig's 8 (not Darcy's though), because he was generally quite mean with his scores with other celebs.

So leaderboard positions, yes Lisa deserved to be at the top, perhaps a little bit overscored, but still the best dance of the weekend for me.
Evilredzebra
08-10-2012
My only reservation with Lisa's high score is that one of the judges (was it Len?) said that where she lacked in technical ability she totally compensated with energy. I definitely agree with that, it was very entertaining but if something is lacking in technical ability should it be scoring an 8?

She was one of the better ones for me but I do think she was perhaps a little over marked.
SCD-Observer
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Evilredzebra:
“My only reservation with Lisa's high score is that one of the judges (was it Len?) said that where she lacked in technical ability she totally compensated with energy. I definitely agree with that, it was very entertaining but if something is lacking in technical ability should it be scoring an 8?

She was one of the better ones for me but I do think she was perhaps a little over marked.”

None of the other cha-chas have much techniques going for the celebs. Louis came close, but looked awkward at places (don't know what 'over-extension' means), Kimberly's looked sexy, but her legs weren't straight. The less said of the rest, the better.
Evilredzebra
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“None of the other cha-chas have much techniques going for the celebs. Louis came close, but looked awkward at places (don't know what 'over-extension' means), Kimberly's looked sexy, but her legs weren't straight. The less said of the rest, the better.”

Good point and perhaps the mark also reflects the achievement in Week One of the competition, which was certainly very impressive.

I loved the opening weekend overall, a very open contest.
lovetrashtv
08-10-2012
No, she got good marks because she did the best routine! Her timing and movement were impressive and her confidence meant that she sold the dance and connected with the audience. It was the only dance that I watched twice (my personal acid test of how much I enjoy a routine).

I think she may find some styles of dance more difficult because she is a bigger girl but maybe she'll prove me wrong!
olivej
08-10-2012
I guess it was just me who thought it lacked in actual cha cha

yes, she had good technique, yes she had rhythm, yes she was bouncy and full of fun but for me the routinue lacked in cha cha
Summeriris
08-10-2012
I think too much is being made of her wieght truthfully. I remember Russel Grant's foxtrot last year. It was a darn good foxtrot. His footwork was wonderful and when he and Flavia were in hold he flowed with the dance. Large peopel can dance. I hate when people say they are channeling the Anne Widdcombe or John Sargent vibe. When John Sargeat did ballroom he was all right. His first waltz was rather good. Anne Widdecombe's talent was somewhat higher than Nancy's but not much. She couldn't dance but Anton made her somewat entertaining. I think Lisa is a good dancer who entertains. She lit up the dance floor with style and flair. She literally was the best on the two nights. I am looking forward to next week.
Lorelei Lee
08-10-2012
Delighted by the love for Lisa - I was expecting much more of a slating for the high marks she got.

Originally I didn't really think the dance deserved a 30 - I'd have gone for something in the 26 range myself - but I suppose if you're considering the comparative scale then it made sense for all the judges to mark higher for a dance they enjoyed and thought was technically pretty good, than one they thought was competent but a bit pizzazz-less.

While I really wanted to love Kimberley and Louis, both of them felt to me like they were almost over-performing - their expressions were so smooth and their arm and leg placement so elegant that the whole thing ended up feeling a bit mechanical and joyless. (I didn't quite get that from Denise, but her doing the waltz made it harder to compare like with like.)

That said, the comments made to Lisa were worryingly reminiscent of the early comments - and the subsequent marking - given to Russell last series. I would hate her to end up in a similar situation to Russell where dances are almost devoid of content but the feel-good factor they engender raises the marks.

However, I think Lisa's got more talent than Russell and Robin is certainly a creative enough choreographer to work round the limitations (and they ARE limitations, without wanting to slag her off in any way) that being bigger will bring with it. I have my fingers firmly crossed and am looking forward to seeing them dance again
Doktor Dances
08-10-2012
One thing to be worried about - How will wardrobe dress her for ballroom?
Rotationbl
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by olivej:
“I guess it was just me who thought it lacked in actual cha cha

yes, she had good technique, yes she had rhythm, yes she was bouncy and full of fun but for me the routinue lacked in cha cha”

I thought it was more like a freestyle!

I think Craig was just pleased that there was someone who could dance. I wasn't overly impressed by any of the favourites.
olivej
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“I thought it was more like a freestyle!
I think Craig was just pleased that there was someone who could dance. I wasn't overly impressed by any of the favourites.”

phew, thank you! I thought it was just me!!
TerryM22
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by lovetrashtv:
“No, she got good marks because she did the best routine! Her timing and movement were impressive and her confidence meant that she sold the dance and connected with the audience. It was the only dance that I watched twice (my personal acid test of how much I enjoy a routine).

I think she may find some styles of dance more difficult because she is a bigger girl but maybe she'll prove me wrong!”

Lisa's certainly was the best routine.
Malik24
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by olivej:
“phew, thank you! I thought it was just me!!”

I see where you're coming from too, though I thought based on my limited knowledge there was a decent amount of content (as well as some arm-stuff that wasn't cha-cha-cha) but not as much as in Kimberley's. I think they deserved 7s as it was well-danced and entertaining but perhaps not 8s.

Still, I can't fault the enthusiasm and it was well done.
*Wysiwyg*
08-10-2012
Lisa performed the most entertaining routine and had the best Latin technique of all the celebs.

Best performance over the two nights, but overmarked for week one. (IMO)
daisydee
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“No. It's because it WAS good, best chacha of the night, irrespective of her weight. She had clean lines, lots of bounce, full of energy, and they took risks.

Because she is a larger lass, it was even more impressive, and yes, there will be things she'll struggle with - everyone struggles with something. But still best dance of the night.”

I agree. I was expecting far less from Lisa than she delivered - and boy did she deliver! It was WOW! from the first arm fling, every movement had energy and joy. Definitley the best dance so far because of what she put into it. So in a way, her weight was a part of it, but only because we expected less from anyone so buxom.
You go Lisa - keep up this standard of entertainment.
daisydee
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by *Wysiwyg*:
“Lisa performed the most entertaining routine and had the best Latin technique of all the celebs.

Best performance over the two nights, but overmarked for week one. (IMO)”


I'm inclined to agree here, but then for the first dance, I didn't expect anyone to get more than a six at best. For Craig to give Lisa an 8 was quite astounding IMHO.
muddipaws
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by fefster:
“It's not a jibe.

I felt she was over-marked and was giving a potential reason for the over-marking.”

Hand on heart I really did enjoy watching her, and she did very well and she was in time, she moved with the music and did an excellent job which i more than can be said for Victoria Pendleton.

I did think Craig was one point too high to be fair, but she was fabulous and I guess we all thought she would be the token "comedic" lamb to the slaughter, but has surprised us all
muddipaws
08-10-2012
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Lisa's certainly was the best routine.”

I do think she was slightly over marked, by Craig, I actually thought Sid Ownen was the best over the two days
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