He was just making a comparison to something people could relate to, to make hit point. I don't see the problem.
Craig and the neuorological disorder
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Originally Posted by shefair:
“I can only say I wasn't offended myself as I took it as a medical term
I do think sometimes being offended on behalf of people who have disabilities is stepping on quite dangerous ground
If you want to know I think Brruno labouring the point that Richard did not dance camply as he expected was more offensive.
To my mind he has labelled Richard and doesn't want and will mark down any dance that doesn't fit in with Brunos wishes for Richard to be camp. You know the poor man does not have to be ON every moment of his life, he is allowed to be more complex and interesting
I didn't watch much of Julian Clary , was he allowed to portray a different side?”
“I can only say I wasn't offended myself as I took it as a medical term
I do think sometimes being offended on behalf of people who have disabilities is stepping on quite dangerous ground
If you want to know I think Brruno labouring the point that Richard did not dance camply as he expected was more offensive.
To my mind he has labelled Richard and doesn't want and will mark down any dance that doesn't fit in with Brunos wishes for Richard to be camp. You know the poor man does not have to be ON every moment of his life, he is allowed to be more complex and interesting
I didn't watch much of Julian Clary , was he allowed to portray a different side?”
Craigs awful comment has nothing to do with Julian Clary, please don't try to involve Julian in this.
to be honest I think the way to find out if it was offensive is to find out if someone who has a neurological condition WAS offended or did they just think , oh yeah I see what he means.
Obviously I can see it shocked and offended some people and would be interested to know whether it offended someone with any neurological condition
But again for those without the condition to be offended on their behalf is, perhaps, somewhat patronising to them, as if they need protection or as if it is something to be ashamed of. Some people twitch and some people have freckles. To me it is as factual as that . But even I must admit twitching is rather more distressing for the twitcher
Obviously I can see it shocked and offended some people and would be interested to know whether it offended someone with any neurological condition
But again for those without the condition to be offended on their behalf is, perhaps, somewhat patronising to them, as if they need protection or as if it is something to be ashamed of. Some people twitch and some people have freckles. To me it is as factual as that . But even I must admit twitching is rather more distressing for the twitcher
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
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just spent five minutes to work out IYKWIM means ”
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just spent five minutes to work out IYKWIM means ”
I'm to tired to try and work it out, it looks like gibberish to me.
Originally Posted by walnut699:
“People have often thought Craig has gone too far with some comments, and Len too. Ive generally been in their defence in such cases and said people are being too sensitive or overreacting, or saying it wasnt meant in the context it sounded.
But tonight I did actually have a sharp intake of breath and go 'oooh (not in a good way) when he said that.
I just wonder if he'll issue an apology.”
“People have often thought Craig has gone too far with some comments, and Len too. Ive generally been in their defence in such cases and said people are being too sensitive or overreacting, or saying it wasnt meant in the context it sounded.
But tonight I did actually have a sharp intake of breath and go 'oooh (not in a good way) when he said that.
I just wonder if he'll issue an apology.”
No, no , please no Board of Censors this early in the competition! If you at home were outraged, keep it to yourself or to this forum, but asking judges to issue apologies is taking the Modern Sensitivity thing too far.
When Arlene was on the panel, a few Jurassic periods ago, the comments and satire from the judges were far more cruel.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Craigs awful comment has nothing to do with Julian Clary, please don't try to involve Julian in this.”
“Craigs awful comment has nothing to do with Julian Clary, please don't try to involve Julian in this.”
Why I have just said what and why I was offended by and wondered if it had happened before ?
honestly sometimes people read more into posts than there is there. I would be interested to know if someone who watched it could answer that
Originally Posted by komentaightor:
“No, no , please no Board of Censors this early in the competition! If you at home were outraged, keep it to yourself or to this forum, but asking judges to issue apologies is taking the Modern Sensitivity thing too far.
When Arlene was on the panel, a few Jurassic periods ago, the comments and satire from the judges were far more cruel.”
“No, no , please no Board of Censors this early in the competition! If you at home were outraged, keep it to yourself or to this forum, but asking judges to issue apologies is taking the Modern Sensitivity thing too far.
When Arlene was on the panel, a few Jurassic periods ago, the comments and satire from the judges were far more cruel.”
Craig will have to make a grovelling apology when he is exposed in the newspapers, and quite right too.
Originally Posted by komentaightor:
“No, no , please no Board of Censors this early in the competition! If you at home were outraged, keep it to yourself or to this forum, but asking judges to issue apologies is taking the Modern Sensitivity thing too far.
When Arlene was on the panel, a few Jurassic periods ago, the comments and satire from the judges were far more cruel.”
“No, no , please no Board of Censors this early in the competition! If you at home were outraged, keep it to yourself or to this forum, but asking judges to issue apologies is taking the Modern Sensitivity thing too far.
When Arlene was on the panel, a few Jurassic periods ago, the comments and satire from the judges were far more cruel.”
Oh god I missed the apology bit
now THAT unless a person with a neurological disorder really was offended would be going way too far
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Why I have just said what and why I was offended by and wondered if it had happened before ?
honestly sometimes people read more into posts than there is there. I would be interested to know if someone who watched it could answer that”
“Why I have just said what and why I was offended by and wondered if it had happened before ?
honestly sometimes people read more into posts than there is there. I would be interested to know if someone who watched it could answer that”
I repeat there is no reason to introduce Julian Clary into this offensive comment by Craig about neuorological disorders, Julian has absolutely no involvement whatsoever.
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Oh god I missed the apology bit
now THAT unless a person with a neurological disorder really was offended would be going way too far”
“Oh god I missed the apology bit
now THAT unless a person with a neurological disorder really was offended would be going way too far”
Many people with a neurological disorders are not aware enough to be offended, that is why it is so grossly unfair to take advantage of them in this way.
Originally Posted by shefair:
“to be honest I think the way to find out if it was offensive is to find out if someone who has a neurological condition WAS offended or did they just think , oh yeah I see what he means.
Obviously I can see it shocked and offended some people and would be interested to know whether it offended someone with any neurological condition
But again for those without the condition to be offended on their behalf is, perhaps, somewhat patronising to them, as if they need protection or as if it is something to be ashamed of. Some people twitch and some people have freckles. To me it is as factual as that . But even I must admit twitching is rather more distressing for the twitcher”
“to be honest I think the way to find out if it was offensive is to find out if someone who has a neurological condition WAS offended or did they just think , oh yeah I see what he means.
Obviously I can see it shocked and offended some people and would be interested to know whether it offended someone with any neurological condition
But again for those without the condition to be offended on their behalf is, perhaps, somewhat patronising to them, as if they need protection or as if it is something to be ashamed of. Some people twitch and some people have freckles. To me it is as factual as that . But even I must admit twitching is rather more distressing for the twitcher
”
Having a neurological condition is nothing to be ashamed of, but some people with these conditions do need protection, care and a great deal of respect, which they very often do not receive unfortunately.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Many people with a neurological disorders are not aware enough to be offended, that is why it is so grossly unfair to take advantage of them in this way.”
“Many people with a neurological disorders are not aware enough to be offended, that is why it is so grossly unfair to take advantage of them in this way.”
well now that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read
the worst and most distressing part of most neurological conditions is that behind the frozen face or flailing arm is a mind that is fully functioning.
Stephen Hawkins has one of the best minds on the planet,
Michael Fox is a great champion and fully functioning actor
I cant remember their names but those fighting for their right to die , fully understand the legal, ethical and moral implications of what they are asking for
Get your facts right Terry before you post such patronising guff again
Shefair, but this is the thing about the internet... How do you know that fellow posters don't have tics or spina bifidi, tourettes or any of the progressive neurological conditions? Is it patronising to assume we don't?
I don't think so. You're not meaning to be patronising at all when you make those assumptions. I'm saying that without any sly meaning. You're not the bad guy. I'm not the bad guy. Terry is not the bad guy. No one is the bad guy. Patronising is one of those words that gets chucked around sometimes and isn't useful. It's like the little insult that stops off good feeling and makes ordinary decent people cowardly about their good feelings. IYKWIM
I don't even know that I'm offended on behalf of the neuro impaired person Craig had in mind. I'm offended as a human being.
For what it's worth I don't think Craig or anyone should apologise under duress. Unfelt apology muddies the water.
What he said jarred with me and I wanted to check what other people thought.
I don't think so. You're not meaning to be patronising at all when you make those assumptions. I'm saying that without any sly meaning. You're not the bad guy. I'm not the bad guy. Terry is not the bad guy. No one is the bad guy. Patronising is one of those words that gets chucked around sometimes and isn't useful. It's like the little insult that stops off good feeling and makes ordinary decent people cowardly about their good feelings. IYKWIM
I don't even know that I'm offended on behalf of the neuro impaired person Craig had in mind. I'm offended as a human being.
For what it's worth I don't think Craig or anyone should apologise under duress. Unfelt apology muddies the water.
What he said jarred with me and I wanted to check what other people thought.
Thanks Pet Monkey I dont think anyone (other than Terry for that last comment) is the bad guy.
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Thanks Pet Monkey I dont think anyone (other than Terry for that last comment) is the bad guy.
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all”
“Thanks Pet Monkey I dont think anyone (other than Terry for that last comment) is the bad guy.
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all”
Good night then.
Did we really get it sorted shefair? I don't want to be arguing. At all at all at all
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“Good night then. Did we really get it sorted shefair? I don't want to be arguing. At all at all at all”
“Good night then.
Did we really get it sorted shefair? I don't want to be arguing. At all at all at all”
We are absolutely fine night love XX
Originally Posted by shuddupfluffy:
“He was just making a comparison to something people could relate to, to make hit point. I don't see the problem.”
“He was just making a comparison to something people could relate to, to make hit point. I don't see the problem.”
Have to agree, didn't find it an issue at all really.
Originally Posted by shefair:
“well now that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read
the worst and most distressing part of most neurological conditions is that behind the frozen face or flailing arm is a mind that is fully functioning.
Stephen Hawkins has one of the best minds on the planet,
Michael Fox is a great champion and fully functioning actor
I cant remember their names but those fighting for their right to die , fully understand the legal, ethical and moral implications of what they are asking for
Get your facts right Terry before you post such patronising guff again”
“well now that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read
the worst and most distressing part of most neurological conditions is that behind the frozen face or flailing arm is a mind that is fully functioning.
Stephen Hawkins has one of the best minds on the planet,
Michael Fox is a great champion and fully functioning actor
I cant remember their names but those fighting for their right to die , fully understand the legal, ethical and moral implications of what they are asking for
Get your facts right Terry before you post such patronising guff again”
You can throw insults around all you want but the fact remains that the brain is a very complex structure and the conditions that effect it are many and varied.
Stephen Hawkins does as you say have one of the best minds on the planet, but not everyone who has a condition that adversly effects the brain is a Stephen Hawkins, but they do all deserve the utmost respect.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“You can throw insults around all you want but the fact remains that the brain is a very complex structure and the conditions that effect it are many and varied.
Stephen Hawkins does as you say have one of the best minds on the planet, but not everyone who has a condition that adversly effects the brain is a Stephen Hawkins, but they do all deserve the utmost respect.”
“You can throw insults around all you want but the fact remains that the brain is a very complex structure and the conditions that effect it are many and varied.
Stephen Hawkins does as you say have one of the best minds on the planet, but not everyone who has a condition that adversly effects the brain is a Stephen Hawkins, but they do all deserve the utmost respect.”
The big important word in bold.
And your point about the whole range of possible needs is right too. I'm not being lazily liberal. It's just how it is. Why are you up late, Terry?
I'm being daft. Missed show in real time. Started to watch it on iplayer. Got to Johnny. Got shocked. Came on here. Calmed down and went back to show. Got to Lisa. Got WOWed. Came on here to see what people said about her. Have not been able to leave. It's laaaaate. I want to finish the show. Am stupid
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Thanks Pet Monkey I dont think anyone (other than Terry for that last comment) is the bad guy.
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all”
“Thanks Pet Monkey I dont think anyone (other than Terry for that last comment) is the bad guy.
Including Craig
and no I have absolutely no idea who is posting on here and have more or less asked if anyone with a neurological condition would say whether they were offended. Obviously it means some personal disclosure which some people just dont want.
I can only say I wasn't offended and see no need for an apology but could be persuaded if it turns out it has offended lots of people who have neurological conditions
ans for the record following a severe head injury last year leaving ME with a slight neurological condition which means that as I am so tired now I am struggling to see well enough to post I have to go to bed so night all”
I'm very sorry to hear that you have had a serious head injury last year.
Many people find it difficult to understand the complex nature of the long lasting after effects of a serious head injury, as symptoms such as tiredness increased sensativity to light and sometimes sound plus many other things can be subtle, invisible and not apparent to those around you.
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“The big important word in bold. And your point about the whole range of possible needs is right too. I'm not being lazily liberal. It's just how it is.
Why are you up late, Terry?
I'm being daft. Missed show in real time. Started to watch it on iplayer. Got to Johnny. Got shocked. Came on here. Calmed down and went back to show. Got to Lisa. Got WOWed. Came on here to see what people said about her. Have not been able to leave. It's laaaaate. I want to finish the show. Am stupid”
“The big important word in bold.
And your point about the whole range of possible needs is right too. I'm not being lazily liberal. It's just how it is. Why are you up late, Terry?
I'm being daft. Missed show in real time. Started to watch it on iplayer. Got to Johnny. Got shocked. Came on here. Calmed down and went back to show. Got to Lisa. Got WOWed. Came on here to see what people said about her. Have not been able to leave. It's laaaaate. I want to finish the show. Am stupid
”
I got caught up here and its now 2.30am, my pillow has been calling me for ages because I've got to be up at 7.30am, not many z's tonight unfortunately.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I got caught up here and its now 2.30am, my pillow has been calling me for ages because I've got to be up at 7.30am, not many z's tonight unfortunately.”
“I got caught up here and its now 2.30am, my pillow has been calling me for ages because I've got to be up at 7.30am, not many z's tonight unfortunately.”
Well, I shall say n'night to you too 💤💤💤
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