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Old 07-10-2012, 22:51
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Comment's that he's not scary and a rubbish villain.
Bad acting etc.

Yes, he is about as scary as a Ghost in Scooby Doo.
Yes, the acting looks dodgy.
But isn't' it obvious that he's really just a bit of a Panto villain?
Just think back to a couple of scenes last week.
One with the date with the woman who towered over him, and the scene where he was looking in the mirror preening himself.
They'd never have dreamed of doing scenes like that with a character like Grant.

Personally, i think he's wonderfully ludicrous character.
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Old 07-10-2012, 22:55
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I don't understand either he is entertaining and can be both evil and comedy and also a great character if given the chance.

Also he is far better than boring out of date Phil.
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Old 07-10-2012, 22:57
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He may be a bit panto but he's a million times better than Phil and also he is the best Branning brother.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:01
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I don't like him because of the way he was to Pat on her deathbed. What a b*stard!! I also hated the way the whole of the square was scared of him when he was not scary.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:04
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I don't like him because of the way he was to Pat on her deathbed. What a b*stard!! I also hated the way the whole of the square was scared of him when he was not scary.
Are you serious he makes Den Watts look like a cuddly teddy bear.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:13
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I dont like him because they make out his scary when his not, I hate how his involved in everything and how is a bully. I hate the character.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:27
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Are you serious he makes Den Watts look like a cuddly teddy bear.
Tell me how he is scary, please. I'm not trying to be rude but I don't see it. Zainab makes me pat my shants more than Derek.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:40
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Tell me how he is scary, please. I'm not trying to be rude but I don't see it. Zainab makes me pat my shants more than Derek.
I was only kidding he isn't scary at all.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:42
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I don't like his behaviour towards women. For me he is a reminder of a bygone age when the world was full of misogynists and men who felt entitled to treat women as inferior creatures that they could insult and push around. The sooner he's gone the better, he belongs in a museum.
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:58
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I don't like him because of the way he was to Pat on her deathbed. What a b*stard!! I also hated the way the whole of the square was scared of him when he was not scary.
This - the problem with Toadface was that we were meant to take him seriously
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:00
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he was supposed to be a gangster from the start with his feud with phil etc but they changed it
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:06
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I don't like his behaviour towards women. For me he is a reminder of a bygone age when the world was full of misogynists and men who felt entitled to treat women as inferior creatures that they could insult and push around. The sooner he's gone the better, he belongs in a museum.
I keep thinking Derek wasn't in prison, but actually cryogenically frozen before he arrived in Walford because the man is so out of date in terms of his general attitude to life and old school gangster style.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:07
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I don't understand either he is entertaining and can be both evil and comedy and also a great character if given the chance.

Also he is far better than boring out of date Phil.
I would agree with the BIB. I've been bored to tears by Phil in recent years. Derek does seem tohave a bit more range as a character than Phil "I shout and growl all my scenes" Mitchell. Don't blame Steve McFadden at all though, it's the writers' fault.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:10
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I would agree with the BIB. I've been bored to tears by Phil in recent years. Derek does seem have a bit more range than Phil "I shout and growl all my scenes" Mitchell.
phil and derek are a bit different. phils not meant to be a villain well not in derek's scale. he has a heart and can be nice to people. he smiles and can actually be genuinely happy. derek is a nasty villain (yes pantoish but still) and is always miserable / horrible to women. he doesnt have a heart
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:11
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he was supposed to be a gangster from the start with his feud with phil etc but they changed it
A gangster, his gangster empire consisted of Alfie and Billy, he was then out smarted by the two idiots of the Square. Also all he did was sell dodgy booze to a local pub and a small shitty clu. He then bullied the weak and vunerable (Pat, Lucy and Anthony etc).
Derek would never be a gangster. Im so happy they ended that pathetic fued two old men fighting over whose the King of Walford seriously this is 2012 not Medieval times and who in their right mind would want to own Walford
(I know its not real but I just found it all pathetic and cringey)
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:13
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A gangster, his gangster empire consisted of Alfie and Billy, he was then out smarted by the two idiots of the Square. Also all he did was sell dodgy booze to a local pub and a small shitty clu. He then bullied the weak and vunerable (Pat, Lucy and Anthony etc).
Derek would never be a gangster. Im so happy they ended that pathetic fued two old men fighting over whose the King of Walford seriously this is 2012 not Medieval times and who in their right mind would want to own Walford
(I know its not real but I just found it all pathetic and cringey)
i know but he's not been like the gangster type he was when he first came in. jamie said he wanted derek as the best villain/gangster character but he was hardly that
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:22
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i know but he's not been like the gangster type he was when he first came in. jamie said he wanted derek as the best villain/gangster character but he was hardly that
Jamie deluding himself. I cant even class him as a villian/ gangster because he none of these things. Derek is a pretender and a slimy toad.

On the subject of Phil and Derek. I hate how Phil untouchable and basicaly King Phil, I want him to get his comeuppance but unlike Derek I dont want Phil to die. I dont find Ph scary but at least when Phils angry you believe his angry but with Derek is just laughable, also Phil has actually done things to class him as a villian, Derek hasnt.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:24
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Jamie deluding himself. I cant even class him as a villian/ gangster because he none of these things. Derek is a pretender and a slimy toad.

On the subject of Phil and Derek. I hate how Phil untouchable and basicaly King Phil, I want him to get his comeuppance but unlike Derek I dont want Phil to die. I dont find Ph scary but at least when Phils angry you believe his angry but with Derek is just laughable, also Phil has actually done things to class him as a villian, Derek hasnt.
yeah phil genuinely scares me when he's angry. like when he yelled at ronnie a couple of years ago. i wouldnt normally class phil as a villain as he has a heart.

oh i want phil to die alone lol where as with derek i dont really care.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:28
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phil and derek are a bit different. phils not meant to be a villain well not in derek's scale. he has a heart and can be nice to people. he smiles and can actually be genuinely happy. derek is a nasty villain (yes pantoish but still) and is always miserable / horrible to women. he doesnt have a heart
I'm sorry, but you're wrong once again, Mona. Of course Phil is a villain on the same scale as Derek and a greater one at that ("Who Shot Phil?" defines Phil's villainous status). But what the writers do is they let Phil have a spell where he's being a total bully to everyone and then soften him up for a few months, and then put him back into bully mode again. They can't have Phil being a bully 24/7 after all.

We're currently seeing this same pattern with Derek, he started out as just a vile, heartless gangster wannabe, then they softened him up with Alice, Joey and Morgan and his kitten. Not to mention his relationship with Cora.

BIB: So does and can Derek as my previous paragraph explains. But Derek is probably a little more nasty and evil than Phil. But Phil is capable of some horrific things himself don't forget. But I'd still say they are around the same scale as villains.

How is Derek always miserable? He laughs and smiles more than Phil ever does lol . Even though I'm not exactly a fan of Derek's, I would much rather watch him than Phil who just shouts and growls his way through scenes. I feel sorry for Steve McFadden - he gets terrible material to play with. Derek gets to do quite a few comedy scenes as well as serious scenes which makes him more appealing to me.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:30
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I don't "get" Derek because the writers aren't LETTING me get Derek. They keep trying to make the boots he walks around in five times bigger than the feet inside them. He's not a gangster. He's just a small-time crook with a huge ego. Why, therefore, are they pitching the "bad boy" angle at us? His inflated ego and bully-boy tactics make him look ridiculous. I don't find him entertaining at all.

Give me Terry Bates, the man who murderd Jase Dyer, any day. And I used to think he was bad.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:37
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Of course, Phil is a villain on the same scale as Derek and a greater one at that. But what the writers do is they let Phil have a spell where he's being a total bully to everyone and then soften him up for a few months, and then put him back into bully mode again. They can't have Phil being a bully 24/7 after all.

We're currently seeing this same pattern with Derek, he started out as just a vile, heartless gangster wannabe, then they softened him up with Alice, Joey and Morgan and his kitten. Not to mention his relationship with Cora.

BIB: So does and can Derek as my previous paragraph explains. But Derek is probably a little more nasty and evil than Phil. But Phil is capable of some horrific things himself. But I'd say they are around the same scale as villains.

How is Derek always miserable? He laughs and smiles more than Phil ever does lol . Even though I'm not exactly a fan of Derek's, I would much rather watch him than Phil who just shouts and growls his way through scenes. I feel sorry for Steve McFadden - he gets terrible material to play with. Derek gets to do quite a few comedy scenes as well as serious scenes which makes him more appealing to me.
IMO i dont think phil and derek are villains in the same scale. derek is evil with women. he treats them like theyre not people. he doesnt love like normal people do. .he's jealous of anyone who gets close to alice or carol. phil isn't like that with his family. yes he can be quite possessive but he wouldnt get jealous of people being friends with his family. he has his own life and doesnt really bother with their love lives and such. i also dont think phil would come close to knifing someone without a conscious

i mean as in genuinely happy. when have we seen derek genuinely smile.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:44
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IMO i dont think phil and derek are villains in the same scale. derek is evil with women. he treats them like theyre not people. he doesnt love like normal people do. .he's jealous of anyone who gets close to alice or carol. phil isn't like that with his family. yes he can be quite possessive but he wouldnt get jealous of people being friends with his family. he has his own life and doesnt really bother with their love lives and such.
i mean as in genuinely happy. when have we seen derek genuinely smile.
BIB: Oh yeah and Phil is a saint with women, isn't he? He batters half of the women he meets - even his own mum lol . So far, Derek has only hit Carol and pushed Tanya.
Fact is, they are both as bad as each other when it comes to women.

BIB2: How on earth does that make Phil any less of a villain? Being jealous and possessive like Derek doesn't make him a villain, just flawed . It's the violent, nasty streak in him that makes him a villain.

BIB3: Well, when somebody laughs and jokes like Derek does at times that usually means they are happy in some way . Growling and shouting all the time doesn't mean you're happy.

You're talking as if Derek is Hitler and Phil is some boy scout lol . They're both bad as each other - let's leave it at that as I'm not going in circles with you, Mona. I've done it too many times.
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Old 08-10-2012, 00:49
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BIB: Oh yeah and Phil is a saint with women, isn't he? He batters half of the women he meets - even his own mum lol . So far, Derek has only hit Carol and pushed Tanya.
Fact is, they are both as bad as each other when it comes to women.

BIB2: How on earth does make Phil any less of a villain? Being jealous and possessive doesn't make someone a villain, just flawed .

You're talking as if Derek is Hitler and Phil is some boy scout lol . They're both bad as each other - let's leave it at that as I'm not going in circles with you, Mona.

BIB3: Well, when somebody laughs and jokes like Derek does at times that usually means they are happy in some way . Growling and shouting all the time doesn't mean you're happy.
phil can be horrible with women but he's not as bad as derek. he has treated some of his g/fs really nice (sharon, kate, stella and on a smaller scale he was alright with suzy and even though he treated shirley crap he wasnt violent with her) where as derek would be the same nasty person with all his women and probably a lot more violent.

i doubt derek is a happy person. its just the way he is.

we were having a debate not an argument. i thought it was qutie an interesting debate actually.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:00
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phil can be horrible with women but he's not as bad as derek. he has treated some of his g/fs really nice (sharon, kate, stella and on a smaller scale he was alright with suzy and even though he treated shirley crap he wasnt violent with her) where as derek would be the same nasty person with all his women and probably a lot more violent.

i doubt derek is a happy person. its just the way he is.

we were having a debate not an argument. i thought it was qutie an interesting debate actually.
Yeah, Phil's not that horrible with his women because he's busy punching the crap out of them lol. Are you having a laugh? Derek likes to use verbal abuse as well as physical abuse with his women. Phil just doesn't bother with verbal abuse lol.
We haven't seen enough of Derek's history with women to really compare it to Phil's history. But I do agree that Phil has been nice to some of his girlfriends/wives. But he's not much better than Derek.

BIB: My point wasn't about whether Derek was genuinely happy or not . It was about the fact that Derek just has more of a sense of humour than Phil, he laughs and he jokes which is more entertaining to watch than shouting and growling all episode. Please read properly. Besides, when was Phil happy? The longest he was happy for was at Christmas lol.

Well, I know how every "debate" with you goes, Mona. It's never-ending. Always shoving your views on me and never listening to anything I say :sleep:. If you want to think Derek is a bigger villain than Phil, then fine. That's your view, but stop now. I'm bored already.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:02
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Oh no, Phil's not that horrible with his women because he's busy punching the crap out of them lol. Are you having a laugh? Why are we still debating this? Derek likes to verbal abuse as well as physical abuse. Phil just doesn't bother with verbal abuse lol.
We haven't seen enough of Derek's history with women to really compare it to Phil's history. But I do agree that Phil has been nice to some of his girlfriends/wives.

BIB: My point wasn't about whether Derek was genuinely happy or not . It was about the fact that Derek just has more of a sense of humour than Phil, he laughs and he jokes which is more entertaining to watch than shouting and growling all episode. Please read properly.

Well, I know how every "debate" with you goes, Mona. It's never-ending. Always shoving your views on me and never listening to anything I say :sleep:. If you want to think Derek is a bigger villain than Phil, then fine. That's your view, but stop now. I'm bored already.
Alright, TK?

Debate's going well I see

I agree with you BTW, Phil's just as bad as Derek, and (at least) one has to go. He's not called Philth Mitchel for nothing.
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