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Old 10-12-2004, 22:26
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Title says it all.. musicman70 was my inspiration for this thread when talking about Kirsty from PI2 and her possible re-emergence, so.. looking 12-48 (?!) months down the line, who will be hot and who not?

JonnyRocker's picks:

Hot:

Roberta (can't believe all the hating on here, I see her being the greatest success in the long-term) - sex appeal, will cater to the young male audience and girls will idolise her. An exile of 12-18 months, a little repackaging later and no doubt she'll be back with a bang.

G4 - whilst not being mainstream, will be hugely popular in the West End and classical circles for many years, probably the most likely to have a "legitimate" career and make the most £'s as they will also get something the other will not - opportunities in USA in their alternative genre of singing. All dependent on whether Jonathan keeps his ego in check once the fame goes to his head (and it will).

Cassie - The girl next door. Men secretely fancy the coy and shy neighbour to the Pamela Andersons of the world.

The big bloke with dreadlocks (I can't remember his name right now, mindblock and can't be bothered looking it up) - Simon made a massive booboo choosing Verity over him and boy does he know it - his secret reasoning being he didn't want to create Ruben v2.0 (the big black bloke who won American Idol 2). Already has many ties in the industry and has been hanging around X-Factor for the sole purpose of talking to the right people. People will buy his records, because he's that good.

Biggest not's (I can't be bothered talking about an abundance of people so I'll leave it to the ones I think will fail most spectacularly):

Rowetta - This woman is a disaster waiting to happen. Either she'll flip her lid mid-performance and start berating the live audience, or she'll be murdered for being almost criminally obnoxious (okay, so I geniunely don't like her (and her alcoholic rages) and her fans will probably flame for this.. but I'm not alone in the opinion, both with the general public and those within the industry)

Tabbi - Will suffer the "Sam Nixon syndrome". Tipped for big things like Sam, will maybe get one hit, but will fall out of sight when Sharon finds a new media toy to play with. He better start seducing Kelly, fast.

Steve - Butlins and bingo halls will surely be calling sooner rather than later. Fabricated, false and mis-perceived, once X-Factor is over we'll see the real Steve, and the public will reject it.

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Old 11-12-2004, 00:14
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Old 11-12-2004, 00:41
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Originally Posted by JonnyRocker
Title says it all.. musicman70 was my inspiration for this thread when talking about Kirsty from PI2 and her possible re-emergence, so.. looking 12-48 (?!) months down the line, who will be hot and who not?

JonnyRocker's picks:

Hot:

Roberta (can't believe all the hating on here, I see her being the greatest success in the long-term) - sex appeal, will cater to the young male audience and girls will idolise her. An exile of 12-18 months, a little repackaging later and no doubt she'll be back with a bang.

G4 - whilst not being mainstream, will be hugely popular in the West End and classical circles for many years, probably the most likely to have a "legitimate" career and make the most £'s as they will also get something the other will not - opportunities in USA in their alternative genre of singing. All dependent on whether Jonathan keeps his ego in check once the fame goes to his head (and it will).

Cassie - The girl next door. Men secretely fancy the coy and shy neighbour to the Pamela Andersons of the world.

The big bloke with dreadlocks (I can't remember his name right now, mindblock and can't be bothered looking it up) - Simon made a massive booboo choosing Verity over him and boy does he know it - his secret reasoning being he didn't want to create Ruben v2.0 (the big black bloke who won American Idol 2). Already has many ties in the industry and has been hanging around X-Factor for the sole purpose of talking to the right people. People will buy his records, because he's that good.

Biggest not's (I can't be bothered talking about an abundance of people so I'll leave it to the ones I think will fail most spectacularly):

Rowetta - This woman is a disaster waiting to happen. Either she'll flip her lid mid-performance and start berating the live audience, or she'll be murdered for being almost criminally obnoxious (okay, so I geniunely don't like her (and her alcoholic rages) and her fans will probably flame for this.. but I'm not alone in the opinion, both with the general public and those within the industry)

Tabbi - Will suffer the "Sam Nixon syndrome". Tipped for big things like Sam, will maybe get one hit, but will fall out of sight when Sharon finds a new media toy to play with. He better start seducing Kelly, fast.

Steve - Butlins and bingo halls will surely be calling sooner rather than later. Fabricated, false and mis-perceived, once X-Factor is over we'll see the real Steve, and the public will reject it.

Feel free to comment or add your input..
Ok I'll have a go:

Roberta: Pretty, not sure about her voice, we didn't really have long enough to assess her and see if she improved. Long term? Depends how long, the female solo artists are hardly thin on the ground, she would have to be exceptional to stand out IMO. She could do ok in musical theatre.

Verity: Pretty voice, but nothing to get to excited about, again the female vocalists are already there, and doing some amazing stuff. Those in Verity's age group are predominantly seasoned artists that have stood the test of time, so I don't see big things for V.

2 to Go: Peter was exceptional, great voice and a talented musician, if he went solo he could be ok, he would have to establish a particular style though, what they do now is very 'Saturday Night at the Sports and Social'.

VWS: Great voices but in need of coming into the 21st century. I love all the Motown/Soul divas, but they are not making stuff now, maybe they could spark a reawakening, but I doubt it.

Cassie: Great voice, she needs to get more coaching and find a genre, at the moment she falls into the 'west end musical' category too easily. With work and the right people she could have a good chance at making it.

Rowetta: Great voice, although she never appealed to me personally I can admit that she is imensely talented. I hope Rowetta goes on to bigger and better things, whether she will or not I wouldn't like to say, she seems to have 'something' so fingers crossed.

Tabby: I'm biased here because Tabby is the sole reason I watched at all. He's my sort of musician, not the most technically perfect, but for me he has heart and soul and puts both into every performance. He writes his own stuff, plays guitar and piano and has the sort of husky voice that gets me up on my feet. I sincerely hope he gets a record deal, that he gets to record his own material and I for one will be buying it.


....now the finalists....in no particular order:

Steve: I like him, he has an ok voice and he seems like a nice enough bloke, but...and there's always a but for me with Steve, he doesn't inspire me, light any fires, raise my heart rate etc. Having said that he seems to be very popular (as he has got this far) so time will tell. Personally I think if he wins he will sell a few albums, I can't see where he will go after that, his style is dated and unless he joins up with VWS to resurrect the 60's 70's motown/soul sound, I can't see him existing past a couple of years at most.

G4: Different and obviously talented. I've always had a problem trying to work out where G4 are heading. If they are just after a year or two's work, then decide to go their separate ways, then they will get that. If they are after longevity as a group then I don't see it. Covering songs is ok, but with their classical training they are limited to which songs they can cover without becoming farcical. I will watch with interest if they come up with anything original.
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:05
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Here's my go:

Roberta - Nothing special, and can't see her doing anything to be honest

Verity - Probably missed her chance years ago, again I can't see her making an impact

2 to Go - Think Peter could have a chance on his own, but needs to move away from the cheesy stuff they performed on X Factor. I can't remember the girls name, but I don't think she'll graduate from singing in clubs and pubs

VWS - not sure about these - if they were given big dance along songs, I think they could be around for a couple of years

Cassie - Too stage school for me, can't see her making it out of the chorus line

Rowetta - I think she could have a lasting career as long as she holds it together, although her age may put younger people buying records off a bit. (This isn't meant to be an insult BTW)

Tabby - Even though he came 3rd, I don't think he'll do well after a couple of months, he's too contrived and nothing original.

G4 - I think they will have the longest career, providing they stay together and don't release Christmas songs for a living. Although I don't think their appeal will remain mainstream

Steve - although I want him to win, I don't think he will have a mainstream career which last for more than 12 months.
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:14
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Rowetta, no contest

If Steve wins tomorrow... top ten hit, fades into obscurity.

If G4 win... Top ten hit, then the future is down to good decisions. I can see G4, or at least one of them being around in 10 years time if the cards are played correctly.

But WTF do I know anyway? Shutup DV.
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:21
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biggest long time success.... well its simon cowell
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:23
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Originally Posted by baileybots
biggest long time success.... well its simon cowell

You can't say fairer than that
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:24
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In all honesty........none of them. Anyone born through these shows is destined for a short career, even Will Young will be Will Who in 5 years time.
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:25
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Originally Posted by baileybots
biggest long time success.... well its simon cowell
^^^Too true
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Old 11-12-2004, 02:04
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Rowetta, no contest
Rowetta is a star already.I've never before seen anyone with such outstanding talent on a reality television programme.
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Old 11-12-2004, 11:20
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Originally Posted by fannianni
Rowetta is a star already.I've never before seen anyone with such outstanding talent on a reality television programme.
I remember the same things were said when Chris Hide was voted off in 4th place in PI2. When it gets to that stage, it is usually a winner's competition.. if that makes any sense.
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Old 11-12-2004, 11:34
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Like Lemar in Fame Academy then.
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Old 11-12-2004, 12:05
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I think probably none of them will be a long term success, unfortunately. Happy to be proved wrong though!
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Old 11-12-2004, 13:37
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Simon Cowell
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Old 11-12-2004, 13:48
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I don't understand the preoccupation with longevity....surely quality is better than quantity. Surely if any act can use this exposure to improve their future prospects that's a success - after all they've been used to make "edge of the seat" TV it's only fair that they get some payoff.

ATEOTD though any success they get after the show all boils down to the hard work and determination factor - this just gives them a boost it won't do the hard graft for them.

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Old 11-12-2004, 14:04
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G4 - They will be a huge success as they have a strong
fanbase and many people would be very interested in their stuff. If they had excellent tracks, as they sure could have with their talent and vocals, they could do very well. Could be back in a few years or so from having a break as they're different and now have the pop contacts and fame to back it up.

Tabby - He could be very big indeed. I think he left the show at the right time for him as if he won, he would have been considered extremely naff and manufactured. Hopefully, he could get back with his band and share his new-found knowledge with them.

Rowetta - Maybe won't be big in the pop world but should be major in the West End as she has a very theatre voice.

Cassie - Could do well in the pop world but unfortunately I doubt it as there are so many other people like her who have much bigger names e.g. Kylie. However, she could also be big in the West End.

(?)Steve(?) - If he wins the show, he'll be very big, perhaps getting releasing the same kind of records as Will Young. However, if he doesn't win, I think he'll sink unnoticed as there are so many people out there like him who are better and more well-known.

Not:
VWS - However much I like them, which is a huge amount as they were fab in my opinion, I think it's over for them. Maybe... if they're very lucky they'll have a couple of hit records.
2 To Go - Dull and boring. Pete is very talented but it's not now and it's not great. Will fall unnoticed as they didn't add all that much to the show.
Roberta - Absolutely gorgeous with a beautiful voice but again, there's so many other people like her.
Verity - Is there much of a market for Verity?
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Old 11-12-2004, 14:14
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Rowetta, no contest
I agree with you 100%, IMO she knocked spots off of all the other contenders, flawless performances every time.
How you doing dogvod, long time no speak
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Old 11-12-2004, 14:18
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Rowetta, and maybe Tabby
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Old 11-12-2004, 14:18
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Roberta – As I only started watching properly when the final rounds started I can’t really comment about Roberta as I only saw her briefly the week she went. I remember her as being pretty but can’t really remember what she sounded like at all. Maybe she was very good, but if she had been that special I would have thought I would have at least remembered something about her performance that night and I don’t. I don’t think she stands much of a chance really.

Verity – I like Verity, but I don’t think she will get anything long term out of this. It will have increased her profile on the clubs circuit but that is about all.

2 to Go – Don’t think we’ll be seeing anymore of them either. The guy was talented but the girl was pretty awful and as an act they aren’t very marketable. I’m still surprised Louis picked them to go through to the final stage.

VWS – Again I think they will have increased their profile and could do quite well at a lower level because of it, but I don’t think we’ll see them around for very long in the mainstream market.

Cassie – I think she will fade away into obscurity. She may have a chance if a record company picks her up and is prepared to work with her for a while to give her some experience – like that guy was saying they are doing with Kirsty – but I don’t think she is very special and doesn’t have enough x-factor or prescence to stick in the mind one this competition is over.

Rowetta – I really do think we’ll be seeing a lot more of Rowetta as she is one of the people who shone with x-factor this series. She has a fabulous voice and I’m sure she’ll get some sort of recording deal from somewhere. I hope she’s around for a long time.

Tabby – I don’t like Tabby as an artist, but I can understand the appeal to the people who do. If Sharon keeps to her word about managing him I think he could do quite well.

G4 – Hard to tell. I think whether they win tonight or not that they will have a reasonable amount of success off the back of the show and I think they will be around for a while, but I’m not sure how long-term this will be. I think they will always get work, but will have dropped out of the real limelight in a couple of years time.

Steve – again hard to tell. I am a huge Steve fan and really want him to win tonight. I think that he is certainly talented enough to ‘make it’ and be around for a long time, but the british music industry and the record buying public are very fickle these days and I just don’t know. We will certainly hear a lot from him for the next couple of years (whether he wins or not IMHO) and I really hope he can stick around for longer than that – he deserves to.
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Old 11-12-2004, 14:32
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If you're talking long-term, the only winner from X Factor is Simon Cowell's bank balance.

I think we have another Pop Idol 2 on our hands where there is no long-term success from anyone.....then again, never underestimate the poor music taste of the GBP......or the desperation of the judges to make their act(s) a success.....
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Old 11-12-2004, 14:36
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Tabby, as long as he does his own thing and doesn't let big-headed money grabbers pigeon hole him
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Old 11-12-2004, 15:25
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Here's my attempt.

Roberta
Young, pretty, talented. She has the easiest job of dropping the not-so-credible "reality TV popstar" title. I thpught she had a good voice, but it wasn't that much different to thusands of young women who want to break into the business. If she can write good songs and perform well, whe has a chance.
Chance Of Success Rating - 5/10

Verity
Has a decent enough voice, but was only put through as Simon's sympathy vote, which obviousley didn't work. Seems to have already missed out on several chances and blew her last one by letting her nerves take over. But don't worry Verity, a presenting job on Loose Women awaits.
Chance Of Success Rating 3/10

2 To Go
Peter - Obviousley very talented, great singer great musician.
Emma - Didn't have the best of voices but got better as time went on.
As a duo I don't think they would have that much success, especially with a cheesey name. However if Peter were to go it alone he would have a great career, but we know he wouldn't ditch Emma, as he is too loyal to her.
Chance Of Success Rating - 1/10

Voices With Soul
Three big girls, with three big voices. As live entertainers I think they were the best in the competiton, however as recording artists I'm a bit unsure. I don't think the public would buy their records. I still think they are great though. If they were to get a chance at it though I think they could do it, maybe.
Chance Of Success Rating - 4/10

Cassie
My darling Cassie, what do I think the future holds for you? Well, she has a great voice and great potential. In a year or two with a little bit more training, styling and finding her genre I think she will have a great career.
Chance of Success Rating - 8/10

Rowetta
Rowetta is what made this competition. As much as people did/didnt like her you all have to admit that the show would have been really boring without her. She has a great voice and a great career ahead of her. Could be the only act left in 4/5 years.
Chance Of Success Rating - 9/10

Tabby
Tabby has the hardest job of them all. He wants to be a credable rock artist in the music industry. But credable rock artists don't appear on Reality TV. He played the struggiling artist with no job and a baby to take care off card too often and it just got boring. If he were to release tracks, he would need to ensure all of his fans from the show will buy them, otherwise he'll follow Ainslie (FA1) and Peter (FA2) back to the dole cue.
Chance of Success Rating - 7/10

And no the two finalists, in Alphabetical Order......

G4
They are a great act, something different and (IMO) better than Il Divo. They have fans of ages and are almost guaranteed a great career. They are fantastic and dont just stick to one type of music. Definately my winners for the final tonight.
Chances of Success Rating - 9/10

Steve
Cheesy, slimy, poncy but talented. His voice is good, but his target audience is the 25-55 year olds, many of which don't buy music. Even if he does win, we will have another Michelle on our hands, and he will have faded into obscurety in a few months........thank god.
Cahnce Of Success Rating - 6/10

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Old 11-12-2004, 16:02
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I think Cassie will be big in a few years, I can't even think of many British young solo ladies in the charts
Rowetta possibly for a while
G4 hopefully for some time
Maybe Tabby if he sorts out his band again
Verity should go back to country and western style
Really like to see Lloyd I think he could last a long time with the right material and I think he would have won as he would have outclassed Steve I think
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Old 11-12-2004, 16:27
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Roberta - Instantly forgettable. Too many like her. Not a great singer. Her looks won't take her far enough. There are better lookers with better voices. No chance.

Verity - no chance. Maybe some clubs.

2 to Go - clubs. No chance.

VWS - Good-ish. No future. Not good sellers.

Cassie - Has a voice. Fab voice. Theatre?

Rowetta - Huge future, I see. The woman is outstanding. There isn't anyone like her right now and she is full of charisma. A seller.

Tabby - Huge future. Rock is popular. Tabby is something quite unique, IMO. He is a seller.

G4 - One hit wonder. No future.

Steve - Some success if winning the X Factor. I think much will depend on Steve's motivation and management. I don't think that Steve has the kind of future that Ro and Tabby could have.
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Old 11-12-2004, 16:40
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Quite a few interesting points made in this thread. I particularly agree with the majority (except for the Rowetta bit) of what is said in the original post and especially the bit about G4. The second one makes sense also. I like the one by the dudeuk87 also.

I hope that they all have great careers. They deserve it as it's their dream.

However, I'd like to see G4 making it through the years, as they're my favourite and would love to be able to hear new things from them even when I'm 50!
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