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Old 09-10-2012, 14:17
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I said some time ago that the DVD copy of the movie in double plays and triple plays blu ray sets would die out this year and this now appears to be the case but was not expecting it to be replaced with an even more worthless concept, the ultraviolet copy.

Now call me old school for wanting to watch a movie on like a TV screen but surely there can not be that many people watching movies on 2 inch i-phones to warrant many new releases from having this ultra violet copy in place of the DVD. And why have a digital and UV copy in a triple play, surely one is enough.
I really dont get this concept at all and IMO makes these blu ray TP/DP sets even more of a take now then they were in the past.

Also guess specsavers will be having a lot of new customers in the next 10 years wih people ruining their eyes watching movies on 2 inch screens.

Maybe I need to get with the times sell my 55 inch TV and put my i-phone in the corner of the room instead
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Old 09-10-2012, 14:30
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You can watch ultraviolet movies on tablets.

For me they are watchable on 7-10 inch tablets.
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Old 09-10-2012, 14:48
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IMO it's an attempt to keep the price up by giving the perception that the UV copy gives added value.
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Old 09-10-2012, 14:59
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IMO it's an attempt to keep the price up by giving the perception that the UV copy gives added value.
Agree, clearly people had latched onto the fact the DVD in these sets were not actually free and were making the sets more expensive so guess the studio's are just tryng a new money making idea but doubt the public will be so easily fooled this time around.

Pretty sad really as all most people want is a blu ray on its own for a decent price, its not asking a lot really, why do they keep bundling these other formats and inflating the price.

And even on a tablet it must be pretty hard work on the eyes, especially if watched on a regular basis, sure would not watch movies on my i-pad, value my long term eyesight too much to do that.
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Old 09-10-2012, 15:34
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The triple play was basically so that those who don't have a blu-ray player but have a DVD player could watch the film and not have to fork out for another copy later on when they got their hands on a blu-ray player. Personally I thought that was a good move and was only going to last for a relatively short time as people began to acquire blu-ray players. Physically, the DVD hardly increased the price, considering how such things are given away as freebies in papers, etc.

Blu-rays are expensive because those selling them think that there are enough impatient suckers out there willing to pay such a price to justify it. The price soon drops to a more reasonable level later on.
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Old 09-10-2012, 15:48
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A quick check online reveals that there are still plenty of double and triple plays on the way - Ice Age 4, E.T., Prometheus to name but three.

Don't worry Geordielady, you'll be right about something one day. Aren't we due another of your classic "Morrisons" threads, they're always good for a laugh.
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Old 09-10-2012, 15:55
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Triple Play don't even cost that much extra and the added advantage of having more formats is a good thing for consumers who use all the formats.

They still have a long and healthy run.
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Old 09-10-2012, 18:45
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I can't stand these bloody Triple play things.
I didn't fork out a small fortune for a Blu Ray player and a top notch telly to get dumped with a load of DVD's that I don't want, and will never watch and have ended up paying extra for.
When DVD started they didn't come packaged with video cassettes in case people wanted to upgrade in the future, so why are we getting this now?
And downloadable versions. Another con.
If I am buying a Blu Ray why would I also want to watch a film on my phone screen?
And if you want to download it, there are online stores for that rather than charging extra for a product that will never get used.

When I buy a Blu Ray, I want a Blu Ray. I don't want downloadable crap or old formats, just a Blu Ray.
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Old 09-10-2012, 18:50
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Ultraviolet is a rival for the existing standard of digital copy (that work with iTunes). Warner and others are really pushing it now.

I'd prefer if it died. Not because I hate the concept, but because we do not need *another* digital copy system.

I want my digital copies redeemed the same way and available in the same way. I don't want some via iTunes, some via Ultraviolet, etc.

Still, Ultraviolet's not the worst I've seen. That goes to Revolver for Iron Sky's digital copy and Studio Canal for Total Recall's digital copy. Awful, awful, awful. Stupid non-standard method of redemption, and low quality video.


The best digital copy I've had recently has been Fox's Prometheus. I bought the Blu-ray Disc + Digital Copy in ASDA for only 14.97 yesterday. The code for the digital copy works with iTunes and also Android, and it gave me *two* versions of the film (SD *and* HD) along with extras. I've had extras before, but never had an HD copy in addition to the SD copy, only had an SD copy.

Having that means that as well as being able to play the BD on my PS3, I can also stream the HD digital copy directly to my iPad or Apple TV. (and I see no issue with watching a film on a tablet - they're great for video)
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Old 09-10-2012, 18:51
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I can't stand these bloody Triple play things.
I didn't fork out a small fortune for a Blu Ray player and a top notch telly to get dumped with a load of DVD's that I don't want, and will never watch and have ended up paying extra for.
When DVD started they didn't come packaged with video cassettes in case people wanted to upgrade in the future, so why are we getting this now?And downloadable versions. Another con.
If I am buying a Blu Ray why would I also want to watch a film on my phone screen?
And if you want to download it, there are online stores for that rather than charging extra for a product that will never get used.

When I buy a Blu Ray, I want a Blu Ray. I don't want downloadable crap or old formats, just a Blu Ray.
That's a bit of a childish point of view.
Home entertainment and portable media is a totally different ball-game to what it was in VHS era.

A Blu-ray is the main product, the dvd can be used in the kids bedroom or for kids who have dvd players in the car. You could give the dvd to someone who wouldn't normally buy one - i give my to my Dad.
The downloadable version is ideal to put on iPads etc for train journey's.

I see no issue or invonvenience to extra formats.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:02
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That's a bit of a childish point of view.
Home entertainment and portable media is a totally different ball-game to what it was in VHS era.

A Blu-ray is the main product, the dvd can be used in the kids bedroom or for kids who have dvd players in the car. You could give the dvd to someone who wouldn't normally buy one - i give my to my Dad.
The downloadable is ideal to put on iPads etc for train journey's.

I see no issue or invonvenience to extra formats.
It's no different at all.
Video was superceded by DVD. Did they force you to pay extra for Video/DVD combos? No.
If people wanted to watch a video they bought a video. If they wanted a DVD they bought that.
Same now. If folk want to watch a DVD in the car, buy a DVD.
It's a bit of a con to charge up to 25 in some cases for 3 versions of a film on two formats that will never be used.

You talk about giving the DVD away, but you're still paying for that DVD you're not using. It's a waste.
And if I want the film on Blu Ray I'm hardly going to watch it on a tiny computer screen.
There are alternative places to get DVDs or Downloadable formats for them that want them. Don't increase the price on other products to include them for folk that don't want them.
At the end of the day, Blu Rays will be cheaper, DVD's will be the same price and downloads will be the same price.
Lower priced Blu Rays are going to do more to encourage uptake than paying extra for useless DVDs and Downloads.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:08
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Prometheus cost me less than 15 on Blu-ray, and that was *with* SD & HD digital copies.

I have no issue with paying 15 quid to have a BD *and* a digital copy, rather than paying 15 quid for a BD, and then paying pretty much the same again if I want a digital copy for my iPad for Apple TV.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:33
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Don't increase the price on other products to include them for folk that don't want them.
At the end of the day, Blu Rays will be cheaper, DVD's will be the same price and downloads will be the same price.
Lower priced Blu Rays are going to do more to encourage uptake than paying extra for useless DVDs and Downloads.
Is there actually any evidence that suggests that Blu Rays will be any cheaper if they sell them on their own? (A certain Jenifer Aniston movie is not evidence by the way)
There's always been a premium price on release of certain studios films, but within a very short amount of time they are 10 or under and that's the same for Triple and Double Plays.
Nothing's actually changed that much price wise as new release Blu Rays are the same price as DVDs were when they were in their prime and the only format available.
For anyone that thinks that Blu Rays will be a lot cheaper without added DVDs or Digital versions then your kidding yourselves as the prices will remain the same.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:35
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The triple play was basically so that those who don't have a blu-ray player but have a DVD player could watch the film and not have to fork out for another copy later on when they got their hands on a blu-ray player. Personally I thought that was a good move and was only going to last for a relatively short time as people began to acquire blu-ray players. Physically, the DVD hardly increased the price, considering how such things are given away as freebies in papers, etc.

Blu-rays are expensive because those selling them think that there are enough impatient suckers out there willing to pay such a price to justify it. The price soon drops to a more reasonable level later on.
But the point of this thread is the fact they are removing DVD's from triple plays now and replacing them with UV copies.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:38
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But the point of this thread is the fact they are removing DVD's from triple plays now and replacing them with UV copies.
Really? I have not seen a triple play like that yet. So it is Blu-ray, UV and what?
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:38
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I can't stand these bloody Triple play things.
I didn't fork out a small fortune for a Blu Ray player and a top notch telly to get dumped with a load of DVD's that I don't want, and will never watch and have ended up paying extra for.
When DVD started they didn't come packaged with video cassettes in case people wanted to upgrade in the future, so why are we getting this now?
And downloadable versions. Another con.
If I am buying a Blu Ray why would I also want to watch a film on my phone screen?
And if you want to download it, there are online stores for that rather than charging extra for a product that will never get used.

When I buy a Blu Ray, I want a Blu Ray. I don't want downloadable crap or old formats, just a Blu Ray.
I think your view echos mine and I guess millions of others, many who are delaying going blu ray due to this clear money making ploy by studios.
It cant cost much more to manufacture a blu ray over a DVD, they should give the consumer the choice of buying a single blu ray only for around 10-11 quid, watch people take up blu ray then, it will go crazy.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:40
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Is there actually any evidence that suggests that Blu Rays will be any cheaper if they sell them on their own? (A certain Jenifer Aniston movie is not evidence by the way)
There's always been a premium price on release of certain studios films, but within a very short amount of time they are 10 or under and that's the same for Triple and Double Plays.
Nothing's actually changed that much price wise as new release Blu Rays are the same price as DVDs were when they were in their prime and the only format available.
For anyone that thinks that Blu Rays will be a lot cheaper without added DVDs or Digital versions then your kidding yourselves as the prices will remain the same.
Ok. Go into a shop.
Look at films that are only Blu Rays.
Then look at the films packaged as Blu Rays, DVD or Downloads.
Which is the more expensive.
If they do away with the triple crap then Blu Rays would be cheaper.
They could still do combo packs for folk who want a crap copy along with their Blu Ray and the folk who want the Blu Ray don't end up paying extra needlessly.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:41
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I think your view echos mine and I guess millions of others, many who are delaying going blu ray due to this clear money making ploy by studios.
It cant cost much more to manufacture a blu ray over a DVD, they should give the consumer the choice of buying a single blu ray only for around 10-11 quid, watch people take up blu ray then, it will go crazy.
Guess being the operative word.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:41
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Really? I have not seen a triple play like that yet. So it is Blu-ray, UV and what?
The standard now appears for TP to be blu ray, digital and UV, there are still some containing DVD's but they are getting scarce now especially on new releases over the last month or so. Almost all the new blockbusters dont contain a DVD now. And sometimes you get a 3D version chucked in WTF they should be seperate.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:46
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The standard now appears for TP to be blu ray, digital and UV, there are still some containing DVD's but they are getting scarce now especially on new releases over the last month or so.
Really, well that would be rubbish. I liked the DVD and rarely if ever use the digital copy. And the UV just seemed like another digital copy so I don't see the point of having it twice, as it were.
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Old 09-10-2012, 19:48
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Really, well that would be rubbish. I liked the DVD and rarely if ever use the digital copy. And the UV just seemed like another digital copy so I don't see the point of having it twice.
Yes and people who dont want it are paying for it. I dont mind how many different formats they release but they should give the consumer the choice of buying just a blu ray and nothing else.

I think the reason they have stopped doing the DVD in the TP's is they have worked out people were selling them on to people resulting in lost sales of DVD's.

If you have a look through sainsburys pre-order blu ray you can see what I mean, your struggle to find many DVD's now in the DP/TP packs.

http://www.sainsburysentertainment.c...luraypreorders
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Old 09-10-2012, 20:03
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Yes and people who dont want it are paying for it. I dont mind how many different formats they release but they should give the consumer the choice of buying just a blu ray and nothing else.

I think the reason they have stopped doing the DVD in the TP's is they have worked out people were selling them on to people resulting in lost sales of DVD's.

If you have a look through sainsburys pre-order blu ray you can see what I mean, your struggle to find many DVD's now in the DP/TP packs.

http://www.sainsburysentertainment.c...luraypreorders
Well it is a shame that those people spoilt it for the likes of me who would like a DVD.

I suppose the trend of tablets being what it is at the moment then these digital copies are becoming more and more relevant and it would be stupid for the studios to ignore this totally. But I can't say you are wrong to want an option for just the blu-ray, all I can think is the studios found that blu-ray alone just didn't sell as well as DP/TP and found people were willing to pay the 1 extra for the multiple formats.

Ah well I wont stress too much about this
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Old 09-10-2012, 20:08
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Well it is a shame that those people spoilt it for the likes of me who would like a DVD.

I suppose the trend of tablets being what it is at the moment then these digital copies are becoming more and more relevant and it would be stupid for the studios to ignore this totally. But I can't say you are wrong to want an option for just the blu-ray, all I can think is the studios found that blu-ray alone just didn't sell as well as DP/TP and found people were willing to pay the 1 extra for the multiple formats.

Ah well I wont stress too much about this
I think the problem is if the studio released TP and a single blu ray the TP wont sell everyone would got for the cheaper blu ray only making it a marketing failure. I dont like the DP/TP at all but would agree the DVD would benefit a lot more people then having both a digital and UV copy, I still find it hard to understand why someone would want both of these downloadable formats.
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Old 09-10-2012, 20:21
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I left this forum 2 years ago and came back earlier this year. And you are still talking about this?

Wow.
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Old 09-10-2012, 20:27
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But the point of this thread is the fact they are removing DVD's from triple plays now and replacing them with UV copies.
I think the point of this thread is to satisfy your vanity.

Anyway, as I said, the triple play with DVDs wasn't intended to last forever. It was just a means to get extra sales from those who didn't have a blu-ray player yet but intended to get one, or those with multiple players in the household. Even if you didn't find the extra DVD useful, a lot of other people have found use for them. DVDs being phased out in the triple plays (if they are) is just the nature of an old format being left behind. Still, that's not evidence that the triple play with DVDs didn't have a use whilst they lasted, even if you can't see one yourself.

Well, I'll leave it here. I'm sure I don't need to add more to your vanity project.
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