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Sharon, the poor man's Ronnie.
Sharon on the other hand has always craved the affection and inclusion of a family, and she has allowed herself to be treated quite badly in order to hang on to the people in her life, Den and Angie used her as a weapon for their fights and as a prop for their own needs right up until they both died, Grant and Phil were poor choices for her to creat her own family with, even Michelle disregarded Sharon when she slept with Den (and Grant for that matter - another betrayal which Sharon is unaware of )With Dennis I think she had finally found what she was looking for but sadly that wasn't to be, unfortunately I can see her clinging to Denny for many years to come, much like Pauline clung on to Martin as the rest of her family disappeared
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Why do these threads always descend into a Phil /Shirley / Sharon debate .
It's like a stuck record There are other characters in the show you know . |
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Thanks krusty
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poor denny
his whole life a lieCalling him Dennis was not a good idea. Ernest would have been far better Quote:
Didn't everybody know what happened to Dennis anyway?
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Christian needing a wax
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Am i the only one that likes christians hair
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Syed looks like he's gotten dressed in the dark!
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Christian looks lovely, chest hair and all!
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I really can't wait for Christian and Syed to go. Individually I like them, but as a couple they make dishwater look exciting.
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Well that was confusing. Why would a doctor prescribe pain killers to someone who was depressed, it just wouldn't happen. Then she's been carting them around for more than 4 years as that's how long she's meant to have been back in this country. Why drag Denny to school when he's upset and confused instead of talking to him. I give up...first we have the baby snatcher and now some bizzare addiction.
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This Sharon/Branning nonsense is nauseating, and comes across as insincere and contrived. The only positive note from it is the fact Sharon is increasingly ditching these wannabes for her son, and Phil. I'd like to see her to the same for Ian as well, considering he's increasingly becoming to her, what Whitney was to Janine; a part-time baby sitter. I also don't buy the POV Sharon 'has been ruined' the fact Sharon can in one moment nauseate with the Brannings, and the next minute bounce well off Phil and Ian, is a testament to the fact she’s still an icon. And unlike others, I'm really scratching my head as to why Denny is so 'annoying'. He doesn't seem to really standout that much at all, and certainly Tiffany Butcher, and for older children Steven Beale (when he was a teenager) and Lauren Branning (Madeline Duggan version) were far more annoying than Denny is.
The problem with Sharon, as discussed on DS before is the Branning family. Her friendship with Tanya is false; Max's reference to Jane yesterday said it all; and Tanya's behaviour tonight was almost a mimic of her shallow attitude to Jane; the way she would look down upon Jane. Tanya looks down upon Sharon, for different reasons. Tanya, would pity Jane mainly because of, well the fact she was married to Ian of all people (despite the fact Tanya was married to Max, hardly any better). Tanya pities Sharon, because Sharon is 'all alone'. Unlike Tanya, Sharon's mother is dead, and she doesn't have any in-laws as a 'family'. Plus, her husband's dead and she's widowed, and Sharon doesn't have Tanya's middle-class lifestyle. It's this discrepancy in the friendship sympathy, for appearances sake, along with those annoying 'girly-girl' scenes that just strike as an uh-oh moment for TPTB. Plus, I'm not buying the Brannings suddenly all up in Sharon's business as if she were a mate of twenty years. FGS, the Brannings don't even run and jump for their own this way (as history tells us) let alone a blonde woman who they've known for two months. Similarly, I also don't buy Sharon's confession to Jack of all her woes. Surely, since Phil turned her down, she would go to Ian, her friend of twenty-seven years? Instead, she talks to Jack Branning, who can't even captivate the screen even when he’s honest about his mediocre parenting abilities! I'm heartened, however by the fact Sharon turned down Jack's alcoholic offer. The Branning family have an absolute obsession with the stuff, with a wine glass in hand each and every day, and now they trying to indoctrinate an already recovering drug addict Sharon, into the stuff as well. Yes, Jack now you've heard all about Sharon's pain-killer addiction, ply her with alcohol as well Ridiculous. The one interesting thing, we did garner from Sharon's discussion with Jack, is that all of this stems from the loss of Dennis, indicating that he posthumously, will be a part of her healing - the acceptance of his death, and Sharon growing some emotional maturity, and by that I mean not using Denny as an emotional crutch. Obviously, this will be through Phil, and bonding over their respective addiction issues, as well as the upcoming storyline in involving, Lola where feelings will resurface, and I suspect by then the Brannings will be side-lined, engulfed in their own internal issues regarding Lauren and Joey, Ava's arrival, Max's secret, and Derek probably straining relationships throughout his family, in his battle to be don of BranningDom, as well as Walford. On top of that, I suspect Abi will grow distant from her parents as well. It's not a coincidence, Sharon's storyline with Phil in late October/November, coincides, when this year’s a-very-Branning-Christmas kicking off. And, I'm sorry, but Ronnie is not even the tenth of a character Sharon is. Quite frankly, not even Ronnie made Jack Branning interesting. He always was a bore, whether it was trying to claim Max's family, after his dodgy copper past put the nail in his marriage with Selina, or recycling the same storyline of Jack getting involved with Ronnie's relatives. Not even in the baby swap was Jack remotely interesting. He cried for a bit, then tried to get Ronnie off scot free, got angry with MM and moved on. This man still hasn't even mention seeing his real son Richard, so much for his tears for Tommy. Ronnie was a control freak, who despite being able to diagnose her own father as a psychopath couldn't stop feeding her own desperately destructive cycle of an obsession with a child as a means of control. Ronnie had her baby taken away from her, so she'll get one back, and she'll reclaim control of her life through that. In that process she used her sister as a substitute child, and after that failed, gradually began to see men as a means to an end regarding babies and nothing else. If she had had a child, that had hopefully survived, she would be the Mitchell's answer to Derek Branning in terms of pure and utter obsession and control. By contrast, Sharon's been through a load of traumas in her life, most recently the death of her husband, and even then she'll rise up from that, because that's what her character's built for and where he recent storyline, I believe is heading. Derek's conversation to Max today was also notable; in reference to Tanya, especially. I don't like Derek; but on Tanya he's right. Tanya is high-maintenance; she likes the good-life; most importantly, she likes the facade that comes with it. She saw Max as a meal-ticket, and in many ways he was - but she tragically misfired by not realising his family were just as chavvy, as her lot were. Half the reason she doesn't want Derek around, is that he brings that all to light. Max, her perfect middle-class husband, with his car-lot business may take the shine off a little, with his affair-habit, but in Walford affairs are forgotten. Jack Branning, ultimate womaniser, has a gleam of 'good looks' to protect his identity, as a lax father and dodgy copper, in the community - and oh, he's a businessman too, contributing to the community via the Gym, with his oh-so-not-weird mate, and friendly bloke Michael Moon. Derek however is dodgy geezer through, and through, and he really doesn't pretend otherwise. Derek is the key to what the Branning family are really about. Derek's apology was a fake as Kim's former silicone implants - he did it for his Alice; his sweetheart, angel yah-da-yah-da-yah and realising he was being isolated in his family. Lola's pitiful demeanour is really yawning me out. When Phil Mitchell 'lost' his child, went to Portugal, tracked Louise down and got her. Yes, it wasn't really his place, and was a right b*stard about it, but he showed determination. All Lola can do is rather focusing on improving her life and getting Lexi back is moaning about Abi and Jay, as if Jay was her boyfriend Episode Score; 5/10 Episode Star; Well, nobody. Derek apologises for everything including ruining Abigail's party Only his daughter believes him
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Well that was confusing. Why would a doctor prescribe pain killers to someone who was depressed, it just wouldn't happen. Then she's been carting them around for more than 4 years as that's how long she's meant to have been back in this country. Why drag Denny to school when he's upset and confused instead of talking to him. I give up...first we have the baby snatcher and now some bizzare addiction.
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another thing i take it phil knew derek was the one who told denny? i wont go into it but phil defended shirl over derek quite a few times. i dont see him going to see derek for sharons sake anytime soon.
Phil would go to protect Sharon whenever necessary like the time when he went to help Sharon when her child was kidnapped by her abusive fiancée John, and even hit him when he insulted her. At the moment he has his own problems, like fighting for the custody of his granddaughter. She's family, so is more important to him than his close friend Sharon. |
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I swear, DS is like groundhog day all over!
![]() Shirley has been there for Phil many times; his drug addiction (although even on that, she did a Jack Branning and fed his other addiction of alcoholism just to elicit a sexual relationship with him) she was the Mitchell house skivvy, forgave him for cheating on her with Glenda, and put up with Ben, of all people. Despite this though, Phil never really had a good emotional relationship with Shirley though, as their communication relationship was pretty much non-existent. Indeed, even to the point where Shirley covered for Ben during the stalking saga, which led to Phil's arrest in late January. Then, in prison Phil entrusted Derek of all people with his businesses, not Shirley - the supposed woman who he apparently was so close to, emotional support would be automatic. It would rely on instinct; so close was this bond, that it would a non-verbal instinct of that regarding support. So close, Phil communicated with Sharon upon her return more about Ben, then he with Shirley during their entire self-defeating saga, of five years. In light of this, I really am questioning the premise of your logic. Yes, Phil wasn't very nice to Sharon. So? Phil hasn't been nice to many people, if any person. Phil wasn't even nice to his own brother, we all know that history - he still loved Grant though. Phil has even hit his own mother. As for Phil not being interested in Sharon, this is an ad hominem argument. No one, has ever try to imply, that Phil is actively soliciting Sharon's affectations at this point in time; rather than Phil still has feelings for Sharon. Some of those feelings are conscious, thus he still holds a long-standing friendship with her, and is prepared to do things for her, even leave his engagement party to go and help Sharon and her son. Other, deeper feelings are subconscious, only uncovered as people re-bond, especially after their directions in life part for some time, and life reunites them again. This not just a fictional thing. Mona, I'm interested to hear your POV on whether you believe Phil has any feelings for Sharon, which is a different argument entirely, from whether Phil's actively instigating a relationship with her. And Mona, yes I do believe you are reading too much into one scene because you're overlooking Phil's complete betrayal of Shirley in the worst possible to way, to someone being a bit mean to someone. .
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Exavtly the words I would have used. Are they making this up as they go along?
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I wanted Jack to pick up the phone when Sharon had gone and go "Hello, Derek!? YOU WERE RIGHT...PAIN KILLERS!!!!!" like the counciler in Little Britian
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Ronnie wasnt as cold as people are making her out to be, she loved Jack even before her obessesion with babies.
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Exavtly the words I would have used. Are they making this up as they go along?
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Sharon, the poor man's Ronnie.
. So I don't think that's true, cat. That's like saying Madonna is a poor man's Lady GaGa .
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No Phil was putting the kids first he always does that no matter what lady is invovled you should know that better than anyone.
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Trisha was back with her patronizing voice, she wasnt that bad today.
Poor Lola I think Billy going to swallow his pride and ask for Phils help Derek apology was as fake as Lolas tan, Alice is so blinded when it comes to Derek how many times has he told her his going to change and apologised for his behaviour and she still believes him. Why do they have to make her stupid and childish. Poor Denny, his whole life a lie. |
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Exavtly the words I would have used. Are they making this up as they go along?
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Sharon, the poor man's Ronnie.
I suppose Anna Karenina and Scarlett O'Hara are the poor man's versions of Bella from Twilight, too. |
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Sharon has been around long before Ronnie - she is the original lip-quivering woman of Albert Square
. So I don't think that's true, cat. That's like saying Madonna is a poor man's Lady GaGa .And Ditto to felixrex's post as well. |
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This.
And Ditto to felixrex's post as well. ![]() Regarding the painkiller plot, I like that Dennis hasn't been forgotten by Sharon and the writers . It's good to hear him being mentioned from time to time. And it makes logical sense that Sharon's grief over Dennis drove her to start taking the painkillers (EE using logic for once?!?! ![]() ). I like that. I'm kind of getting sick of all the sensationalistic, recycled, attention-seeking plots like "Who Shagged Kat" and the "Baby Swap", so good to see a more character-driven plot like this one. I hope it is long running. But not too long that it gets tedious.
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![]() Regarding the painkiller plot, I like that Dennis hasn't been forgotten by Sharon and the writers . It's good to hear him being mentioned from time to time. And it makes logical sense that Sharon's grief over Dennis drove her to start taking the painkillers (EE using logic for once?!?! ![]() ). I like that. I'm kind of getting sick of all the sensationalistic, recycled, attention-seeking plots like "Who Shagged Kat" and the "Baby Swap", so good to see a more character-driven plot like this one. I hope it is long running. But not too long that it gets tedious.I may not be a Sharon fan but I agree with yours PP, and Felixrex about Sharon V Ronnie. |
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Sharon and Ronnie are mostly completely different only thing they have in common is there blonde and tragic, Ronnie I'd would say takes the lead on the tragic heroine crap just because of the sheer amount of stuff happen to her in so little time.
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Agree. I love the mentions of Dennis and obviously Sharon would have struggled with the death of the love of her life and found a way to cope with that (Pills). I think its an interesting SL and like you I want it to continue but not for it to dragged out. I like to see her relapse take an overdose but survive. Its also good that she going to those classes to help with her addiction makes it more realistic.
I may not be a Sharon fan but I agree with yours PP, and Felixrex about Sharon V Ronnie. Thanks
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BIB: Yeah, that would be interesting to watch. I'm just glad Sharon has been given a decent storyline, and not another recycled, attention-seeking plot. I wouldn't say I'm a Sharon fan either, but I like her. In the past, my opinion about her has consisted of only one word: "meh". But ever since Dennis and Sharon, she has grown on me slightly.
Thanks ![]() Im glad they havent overused Sharon on her return which I thought they would have done. I really enjoyed her scenes with Ian and its good they still kept that friendship. Also liked her scenes with Phil they just have that instant chemistry and you sense that something will/might happen between them. Your welcome
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Poor Lola
Danielle is brilliant in this storyline, that bloody socail worker ![]() I really like Alice, making Derek aplogise to Tanya. ![]() Syed sooo wants to get it on with Danny. ![]() The Sharon stuff was a bit meh. Not a bad episode, the Lola scenes were the best for me.
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Sharon has been around long before Ronnie - she is the original lip-quivering woman of Albert Square
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Does anyone else think Denise Van Outen would make a brilliant "Mother" for Lola? have noticed now she is in Strictly that when she has her hair tied back and lashings of mascara, she is just like an older version of Danielle, or is it just me!!!
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Oh I just realised something......this thread is about to be hijacked into who Phil loves AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh
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Why do these threads always descend into a Phil /Shirley / Sharon debate .
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Ronnie wasnt as cold as people are making her out to be, she loved Jack even before her obessesion with babies.
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Sharon has been around long before Ronnie - she is the original lip-quivering woman of Albert Square
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Personally, I fail to see what's so 'bizarre' about depicting a very real and ever-more-common problem that happens to many people.
I agree. It's a very common problem. Especially since her addiction started in the US where it's rife. Hahahaha. A woman with 16 years of on-screen development who was one of the show's foundation characters and daughter of it's two most iconic characters ever is the 'poor man's version' of the pantomime 'tragic-heroine' Ronnie Mitchell? Please. I suppose Anna Karenina and Scarlett O'Hara are the poor man's versions of Bella from Twilight, too.
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. So I don't think that's true, cat. That's like saying Madonna is a poor man's Lady GaGa 