ok we seen this week that lola was informed that lexi was to stay in temporary care for the next 8 weeks leaving lola heartbroken. on tonights episode phil agreed to place a custody order for lexi. when he is granted the order. will he give lexi back to lola. as we know phil has been a backstabber before! and tries to trick people or bully people into getting his way? and will lola and billy move in with phil? and we also seen this week that abi announced at her birthday party that her and jay were together and all tanya said was if it wasnt your birthday he'd be out on his ear and there was little reaction from max. the max i know would have litterally dragged him outside. whats going on? since abi returned from costa rica she has been banned by tanya from seeing jay but now abi could be seen hanging around with jay and little is being said. ok im for the jay and abi relationship story but did tanya somehow forget that she barred abi from seeing him?
in eastenders. if phil is granted custody of lexi what will happen?
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Once Phil got Lexi, he wont be giving her back to Lola
I think Lola and Billy will stay in their own house and Phil will make everything on his terms. This SL ties in with the fake engagement.
Max is to preoccupied and worried about his secret/blackmailing from Derek and the people asking for money.
I think Lola and Billy will stay in their own house and Phil will make everything on his terms. This SL ties in with the fake engagement.
Max is to preoccupied and worried about his secret/blackmailing from Derek and the people asking for money.
I dont get how Phil can get Lexi his a criminal and when Billy was drinking a few cans of beer Trisha was acting like he just snorted Coke in front of her so why is Lexi allowed to stay with an alcoholic, drug addict and criminal??
What will happen is Lexi will grow up to be a psychopathic tough girl with the screaming power of a banshee.
It's pretty pathetic of Philth to do this as we all know he's only trying to get Lexi to fill that deep, empty, lonely void in his life. Yes, I'm sure the whole idea to redeem himself for failing Ben plays a part in his fight for Lexi (but that still doesn't justify taking her away from her mother), but it's obvious it's more to do with Philth's own pathetic issues as a man than the well being of Lexi. As per usual, Philth is only thinking about himself. Stuff the mother of the child or his/her well being.
I'll be interested to know how Phil will look after Lexi as well. Can you really see Philth changing diapers and making formula milk for Lexi? I can't
. He will end up carting her off to someone else to look after as characters frequently tend to do on this show. And when Philth's had enough of his new toy, he will probably eventually hand Lexi back to Lola. I don't see Philth keeping Lexi as a long-term fixture to be honest. It's hard to be the King of the Square with a baby to raise and look after.
It's pretty pathetic of Philth to do this as we all know he's only trying to get Lexi to fill that deep, empty, lonely void in his life. Yes, I'm sure the whole idea to redeem himself for failing Ben plays a part in his fight for Lexi (but that still doesn't justify taking her away from her mother), but it's obvious it's more to do with Philth's own pathetic issues as a man than the well being of Lexi. As per usual, Philth is only thinking about himself. Stuff the mother of the child or his/her well being.
I'll be interested to know how Phil will look after Lexi as well. Can you really see Philth changing diapers and making formula milk for Lexi? I can't
. He will end up carting her off to someone else to look after as characters frequently tend to do on this show. And when Philth's had enough of his new toy, he will probably eventually hand Lexi back to Lola. I don't see Philth keeping Lexi as a long-term fixture to be honest. It's hard to be the King of the Square with a baby to raise and look after.
Originally Posted by beckham76:
“lf Phill gets custody then the surely that will be the most unrealistic storyline ever?”
“lf Phill gets custody then the surely that will be the most unrealistic storyline ever?”
Unrealistic, ridiculous and just vile. I hope to God we're wrong and Phil actually lets Lola be a mother to Lexi and doesn't try to take over as Lexi's parent and guardian.
Originally Posted by beckham76:
“lf Phill gets custody then the surely that will be the most unrealistic storyline ever?”
“lf Phill gets custody then the surely that will be the most unrealistic storyline ever?”
Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“Unrealistic, ridiculous and just vile. I hope to God we're wrong and Phil actually lets Lola be a mother to Lexi and doesn't try to take over as Lexi's parent and guardian.”
“Unrealistic, ridiculous and just vile. I hope to God we're wrong and Phil actually lets Lola be a mother to Lexi and doesn't try to take over as Lexi's parent and guardian.”
It's so unbelievable. I don't know much about this sort of story but surely a known criminal and addict wouldn't get custody of a baby that is not yet even proven to be his granddaughter?
FFS EE producers/writers- get a grip.
P.S. I hate Philth so much.
Poor Lexi will grow up a seriously damage girl with Philth in charge . He destroys the lives of children in his care , and will do so again .
What a horrible man .
No way on gods earth would he be granted custody in real life
What a horrible man .
No way on gods earth would he be granted custody in real life
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Once Phil got Lexi, he wont be giving her back to Lola
I think Lola and Billy will stay in their own house and Phil will make everything on his terms. This SL ties in with the fake engagement.
Max is to preoccupied and worried about his secret/blackmailing from Derek and the people asking for money.”
“Once Phil got Lexi, he wont be giving her back to Lola
I think Lola and Billy will stay in their own house and Phil will make everything on his terms. This SL ties in with the fake engagement.
Max is to preoccupied and worried about his secret/blackmailing from Derek and the people asking for money.”
I agree with most, except the BiB: I don't think Phil works without family around him, and I'd say the unit will end up being: Phil, Sharon, Dennis Jr, Lola, and Lexi, and maybe even Billy too, unless Jay moves back in with Billy. Actually, Jay and Billy used to be great together, and Jay is such a good character now those two would be fairly good to watch.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“I dont get how Phil can get Lexi his a criminal and when Billy was drinking a few cans of beer Trisha was acting like he just snorted Coke in front of her so why is Lexi allowed to stay with an alcoholic, drug addict and criminal??”
“I dont get how Phil can get Lexi his a criminal and when Billy was drinking a few cans of beer Trisha was acting like he just snorted Coke in front of her so why is Lexi allowed to stay with an alcoholic, drug addict and criminal??”
Exactly what i am thinking. Phil has been addicted to drugs and alcohol as well as been in prison numerous times. Also would they not do a crb check etc and find all this out? Why would social services hand over a baby to someone with all of that in thier record? It doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by T.K. Mazin:
“What will happen is Lexi will grow up to be a psychopathic tough girl with the screaming power of a banshee.
It's pretty pathetic of Philth to do this as we all know he's only trying to get Lexi to fill that deep, empty, lonely void in his life. Yes, I'm sure the whole idea to redeem himself for failing Ben plays a part in his fight for Lexi (but that still doesn't justify taking her away from her mother), but it's obvious it's more to do with Philth's own pathetic issues as a man than the well being of Lexi. As per usual, Philth is only thinking about himself. Stuff the mother of the child or his/her well being.
I'll be interested to know how Phil will look after Lexi as well. Can you really see Philth changing diapers and making formula milk for Lexi? I can't. He will end up carting her off to someone else to look after as characters frequently tend to do on this show. And when Philth's had enough of his new toy, he will probably eventually hand Lexi back to Lola. I don't see Philth keeping Lexi as a long-term fixture to be honest. It's hard to be the King of the Square with a baby to raise and look after.”
“What will happen is Lexi will grow up to be a psychopathic tough girl with the screaming power of a banshee.
It's pretty pathetic of Philth to do this as we all know he's only trying to get Lexi to fill that deep, empty, lonely void in his life. Yes, I'm sure the whole idea to redeem himself for failing Ben plays a part in his fight for Lexi (but that still doesn't justify taking her away from her mother), but it's obvious it's more to do with Philth's own pathetic issues as a man than the well being of Lexi. As per usual, Philth is only thinking about himself. Stuff the mother of the child or his/her well being.
I'll be interested to know how Phil will look after Lexi as well. Can you really see Philth changing diapers and making formula milk for Lexi? I can't
. He will end up carting her off to someone else to look after as characters frequently tend to do on this show. And when Philth's had enough of his new toy, he will probably eventually hand Lexi back to Lola. I don't see Philth keeping Lexi as a long-term fixture to be honest. It's hard to be the King of the Square with a baby to raise and look after.”
Agreed about him getting bored after a while. I don't think he is "king of the square" just because it is shoved in everyones faces all the time though. He is one thug of the square yes, king definitely not. A king is someone decent and Phil Mitchell is no where near with all of his crimes.
If people thought the social services / lexi storyline was unrealistic, hold on your knicker elastic cos its just about to get even worse. As if Social services would give a kid to phil, his teenage son is just about to go on trial for murder ffs & is tapped in the head cos of phils lack of parenting.
Its just a poor attempt to justify Phill's continued existence on the square by giving him a ready made family. Its bollocks and an Insult to viewers with half a brain cell & just shows the writers & bosses don't have the bollocks to axe this character who they seem to think IS EE now he has come to the natural end of his story arc whether they like it or not.
Its just a poor attempt to justify Phill's continued existence on the square by giving him a ready made family. Its bollocks and an Insult to viewers with half a brain cell & just shows the writers & bosses don't have the bollocks to axe this character who they seem to think IS EE now he has come to the natural end of his story arc whether they like it or not.
Originally Posted by tenchgirl:
“If people thought the social services / lexi storyline was unrealistic, hold on your knicker elastic cos its just about to get even worse. As if Social services would give a kid to phil, his teenage son is just about to go on trial for murder ffs & is tapped in the head cos of phils lack of parenting.
Its just a poor attempt to justify Phill's continued existence on the square by giving him a ready made family. Its bollocks and an Insult to viewers with half a brain cell & just shows the writers & bosses don't have the bollocks to axe this character who they seem to think IS EE now he has come to the natural end of his story arc whether they like it or not.”
“If people thought the social services / lexi storyline was unrealistic, hold on your knicker elastic cos its just about to get even worse. As if Social services would give a kid to phil, his teenage son is just about to go on trial for murder ffs & is tapped in the head cos of phils lack of parenting.
Its just a poor attempt to justify Phill's continued existence on the square by giving him a ready made family. Its bollocks and an Insult to viewers with half a brain cell & just shows the writers & bosses don't have the bollocks to axe this character who they seem to think IS EE now he has come to the natural end of his story arc whether they like it or not.”
Agreed 100%
Originally Posted by cardiff boyo:
“shirley will return and make phil give her back to lola or let lola move in or something like that”
“shirley will return and make phil give her back to lola or let lola move in or something like that”
This. Everything will change when shirl is back
Originally Posted by monalisa62003:
“This. Everything will change when shirl is back”
“This. Everything will change when shirl is back”
That's so funny!
As if the doormat could make Phil do anything!Didn't you learn anything from Ben? No-one comes before his children. Certainly not Shirley
Originally Posted by *TribeSpirit*:
“That's so funny! As if the doormat could make Phil do anything!
Didn't you learn anything from Ben? No-one comes before his children. Certainly not Shirley”
“That's so funny!
As if the doormat could make Phil do anything!Didn't you learn anything from Ben? No-one comes before his children. Certainly not Shirley”
Lexi isnt his and shirl will tell phil to let lola live with them
I dont even want them back together so dont know you meant
He will do it since she knows his secret
This social services storyline is unrealistic from the perspective of the attitude of the social worker, and the general procedure process. However, it isn't on Phil getting custody of Lexi. Here's why;
- Phil's done various bad things - I don't really need to go into the numerous bad things, he's done, but he's not been convicted of 95% of these things; and as such they aren't on his record. Phil's abuse of Ben isn't on record for instance - social services were only involved in regard to the establishment of custody, of Louise a few years ago (and Ben I think in 2006 as well). The last time Phil was actually convicted of anything serious was in 2003 when Den framed him for army robbery, and Phil and Grant I think managed to convince the 'witness' in the crime to withdraw their statement, thus his conviction was overturned on appeal. Indeed, I don't think Phil has any serious convictions on his record for twenty years, now.
- The only thing that would be on record is Phil's history with alcohol, through his AA classes - and his recent relapses this year no one but people like Sharon, and Shirley know about. The latter isn't in the square at the moment, and Sharon is hardly going to tell anyone about it.
- Lola, unlike Phil has fairly recent convictions, and Billy has a precarious situation regarding his employment, which has been a long term issue for him – social services will have information Billy’s employment his via his fostering of Jay. Phil, by contrast has a stable situation regarding income coming in - any dirty dealings he may have done in the past aren't on his record. Phil's home environment will also be a plus in comparisons to Billy, in regard to its condition; the place is fairly clean and spacious. By contrast, Billy and Lola live in a dark, unclean basement flat which likely has two bedrooms at most.
- Phil, as pointed out before, also has the money to get good lawyers, who probably know the social services system inside out as they've dealt with it through Ben and Louise respectively - so Phil knows about getting custody of children. Plus, when Phil gets Sharon involved, it'll look like Sharon can be a mother figure to help support a young teenager mother like Lola in caring for Lexi, as someone who already has a young son - it will add to the image of stability, as well, as Sharon has no convictions and has a stable source of employment. So, there will be three people in the home to help care for Lexi.
In light of that, it's no wonder Phil does get custody of Lexi, although I doubt Phil will 'take away' Lexi from Lola. What this storyline, is enabling is the re-establishment of a family for Phil for the millionth time. As such, it's pretty much odds on Lola will move in with Phil to care for Lexi, and Billy will lose both Lola and Lexi. Thus, the scenes we're seeing on screen now are a foreshadowing of the growing tension between Billy and Phil, viewers will see at Xmas (Perry Fenwick said so in an interview about two months ago).
- Phil's done various bad things - I don't really need to go into the numerous bad things, he's done, but he's not been convicted of 95% of these things; and as such they aren't on his record. Phil's abuse of Ben isn't on record for instance - social services were only involved in regard to the establishment of custody, of Louise a few years ago (and Ben I think in 2006 as well). The last time Phil was actually convicted of anything serious was in 2003 when Den framed him for army robbery, and Phil and Grant I think managed to convince the 'witness' in the crime to withdraw their statement, thus his conviction was overturned on appeal. Indeed, I don't think Phil has any serious convictions on his record for twenty years, now.
- The only thing that would be on record is Phil's history with alcohol, through his AA classes - and his recent relapses this year no one but people like Sharon, and Shirley know about. The latter isn't in the square at the moment, and Sharon is hardly going to tell anyone about it.
- Lola, unlike Phil has fairly recent convictions, and Billy has a precarious situation regarding his employment, which has been a long term issue for him – social services will have information Billy’s employment his via his fostering of Jay. Phil, by contrast has a stable situation regarding income coming in - any dirty dealings he may have done in the past aren't on his record. Phil's home environment will also be a plus in comparisons to Billy, in regard to its condition; the place is fairly clean and spacious. By contrast, Billy and Lola live in a dark, unclean basement flat which likely has two bedrooms at most.
- Phil, as pointed out before, also has the money to get good lawyers, who probably know the social services system inside out as they've dealt with it through Ben and Louise respectively - so Phil knows about getting custody of children. Plus, when Phil gets Sharon involved, it'll look like Sharon can be a mother figure to help support a young teenager mother like Lola in caring for Lexi, as someone who already has a young son - it will add to the image of stability, as well, as Sharon has no convictions and has a stable source of employment. So, there will be three people in the home to help care for Lexi.
In light of that, it's no wonder Phil does get custody of Lexi, although I doubt Phil will 'take away' Lexi from Lola. What this storyline, is enabling is the re-establishment of a family for Phil for the millionth time. As such, it's pretty much odds on Lola will move in with Phil to care for Lexi, and Billy will lose both Lola and Lexi. Thus, the scenes we're seeing on screen now are a foreshadowing of the growing tension between Billy and Phil, viewers will see at Xmas (Perry Fenwick said so in an interview about two months ago).
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“This social services storyline is unrealistic from the perspective of the attitude of the social worker, and the general procedure process. However, it isn't on Phil getting custody of Lexi. Here's why;
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“This social services storyline is unrealistic from the perspective of the attitude of the social worker, and the general procedure process. However, it isn't on Phil getting custody of Lexi. Here's why;
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Well I can go as far and say that there is one huge problem in giving Phil custody of Lexi. As yet it has not been proven that Ben is the father, its only Lola's word so far. So surely SS couldn't possibly give custody to Phil without being certain that Phil has some connection with the child. Otherwise its like giving custody of a child to a stranger without any checks or links and we know that SS are very careful over stuff like this.
Like all the other unrealistic portrayal within this storyline it'll just be all done as the scripwriters like, without any proper or thorough investigation into the legalities of it all. So long as Phil has the deepest pockets and best lawyers that is all that matters!
Dare I say it, this is just another nail in the EE coffin, can only be a matter of time before viewers switch off for good the way things are going.
To the people saying this is unrealistic, I ask you this. What in this storyline HAS been realistic, apart from Lola's feeling of injustice :P
SS can't discriminate on the basis of employment and how much money someone does or doesn't have. Lola for a start is legally entitled to a number of benefits to help with Lexi's care while Billy can claim housing benefit if he is struggling to pay the rent. He is also entitled to Job Seekers whilst unemployed.
Like I said in another thread a criminal record does not just contain information about convictions, it has details of any dealings with the police that were considered significant enough to log. There's all sorts of reasons why the police may not be able to secure a conviction and not always that the person was innocent. For what it's worth though I don't think Phil would struggle to get custody on the basis of his criminal history, other factors would count against him like the current situation regarding Ben who also happens to be the baby's father, also the fact he cannot offer Lexi a stable home environment.
That social worker had no justifiable grounds for removing Lexi from Lola's care. This is sensationalism at its worst.
Like I said in another thread a criminal record does not just contain information about convictions, it has details of any dealings with the police that were considered significant enough to log. There's all sorts of reasons why the police may not be able to secure a conviction and not always that the person was innocent. For what it's worth though I don't think Phil would struggle to get custody on the basis of his criminal history, other factors would count against him like the current situation regarding Ben who also happens to be the baby's father, also the fact he cannot offer Lexi a stable home environment.
That social worker had no justifiable grounds for removing Lexi from Lola's care. This is sensationalism at its worst.
Of course he will be granted custody of Lexi, to them he is just a wealthy man with many businesses like someone stated in another thread, what's hard to believe? They don't know the 20+ years of bad things he has done and never likely will.
I do want Phil to let Lola have her like normal when he gets her, will that happen I don't know because Phil is a git.
I am hoping it brings them all together and puts the Mitchells more stable as a family again.
I do want Phil to let Lola have her like normal when he gets her, will that happen I don't know because Phil is a git.
I am hoping it brings them all together and puts the Mitchells more stable as a family again.
Originally Posted by Superstar99:
“Well I can go as far and say that there is one huge problem in giving Phil custody of Lexi. As yet it has not been proven that Ben is the father, its only Lola's word so far. So surely SS couldn't possibly give custody to Phil without being certain that Phil has some connection with the child. Otherwise its like giving custody of a child to a stranger without any checks or links and we know that SS are very careful over stuff like this.”
“Well I can go as far and say that there is one huge problem in giving Phil custody of Lexi. As yet it has not been proven that Ben is the father, its only Lola's word so far. So surely SS couldn't possibly give custody to Phil without being certain that Phil has some connection with the child. Otherwise its like giving custody of a child to a stranger without any checks or links and we know that SS are very careful over stuff like this.”
Well, it depends on whether Lola has put Ben on the birth certificate as the baby father's. If she has, then I assume SS would take it at face value that he's the father of the baby. In any case, Phil's still a relative (albeit a distant one) of Lola's so he wouldn't be a complete stranger.
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“Like all the other unrealistic portrayal within this storyline it'll just be all done as the scripwriters like, without any proper or thorough investigation into the legalities of it all. So long as Phil has the deepest pockets and best lawyers that is all that matters!
Dare I say it, this is just another nail in the EE coffin, can only be a matter of time before viewers switch off for good the way things are going.”
“Like all the other unrealistic portrayal within this storyline it'll just be all done as the scripwriters like, without any proper or thorough investigation into the legalities of it all. So long as Phil has the deepest pockets and best lawyers that is all that matters!
Dare I say it, this is just another nail in the EE coffin, can only be a matter of time before viewers switch off for good the way things are going.”
I doubt viewers will switch off on back of storylines like this tbh.
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“SS can't discriminate on the basis of employment and how much money someone does or doesn't have. Lola for a start is legally entitled to a number of benefits to help with Lexi's care while Billy can claim housing benefit if he is struggling to pay the rent. He is also entitled to Job Seekers whilst unemployed.”
“SS can't discriminate on the basis of employment and how much money someone does or doesn't have. Lola for a start is legally entitled to a number of benefits to help with Lexi's care while Billy can claim housing benefit if he is struggling to pay the rent. He is also entitled to Job Seekers whilst unemployed.”
Well, I didn't say SS could discriminate on those grounds, simply he's able to promote that his home his a stable enivironment for Lexi with an secure employment situation far more than Billy is, which would help him establish custody.
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“Like I said in another thread a criminal record does not just contain information about convictions, it has details of any dealings with the police that were considered significant enough to log. There's all sorts of reasons why the police may not be able to secure a conviction and not always that the person was innocent. For what it's worth though I don't think Phil would struggle to get custody on the basis of his criminal history, other factors would count against him like the current situation regarding Ben who also happens to be the baby's father, also the fact he cannot offer Lexi a stable home environment.”
“Like I said in another thread a criminal record does not just contain information about convictions, it has details of any dealings with the police that were considered significant enough to log. There's all sorts of reasons why the police may not be able to secure a conviction and not always that the person was innocent. For what it's worth though I don't think Phil would struggle to get custody on the basis of his criminal history, other factors would count against him like the current situation regarding Ben who also happens to be the baby's father, also the fact he cannot offer Lexi a stable home environment.”
Well, either the police haven't logged information regarding Phil, or that information isn't strong enough to stop him establishing custody, because Phil's criminal record hasn't stopped him from getting custody of both Ben and Louise respectively in the past. As for him not being able to offer Lexi a stable home environment, social services won't know that. As far as I recall, there's nothing on record regarding Phil's physical and emotional abuse of Ben, or Louise's time with him. Phil will be able to portray he has a good environment for Lexi by faking a relationship with Sharon - she has child, no convictions, and stable income coming in, as does he.
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