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Old 13-10-2012, 17:46
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Title says it all!

Ronnie was depressed all the time!
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Old 13-10-2012, 18:16
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I hope not either.

but it looks like that might happen
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Old 13-10-2012, 18:49
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Sharon's always been like that actually I think a few characters are.
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Old 14-10-2012, 14:54
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she is similar in character too..Wears black,has long blonde hair, chasing Jack, is obssessed with Denny ( Ronnie was always obsessed with getting pregnant)..Is depressed and always miserable..
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Old 14-10-2012, 21:29
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she is similar in character too..Wears black,has long blonde hair, chasing Jack, is obssessed with Denny ( Ronnie was always obsessed with getting pregnant)..Is depressed and always miserable..
Not really sure I'd say she's chasing Jack, I think that he's the one chasing her and she's just showing interest?

Her obsession with Denny is, at least in my opinion, to do with firstly the fact that she went for years thinking she wasn't able to have kids, so he's pretty much a miracle, secondly because he is Dennis' kid, and the over protectiveness would be because of what happened to Dennis and she just doesn't want anything to happen to Denny.

I think that she's going to be quite down for a while, but I like to think that she will come through it once she's had time to adjust to everything, and with the help of everyone around her, and then she'll be back to the old Sharon, albeit more mature what with her being a mother now.

Really I don't think we can expect her to come back and be happy and bubbly after everything that happened before her '06 exit, Walford probably holds a lot of ghosts for her right now, and then there was the whole keeping Dennis' true death a secret from Denny and then having Derek blurt it out... Not gonna lie, I don't think I'd be too cheery if I was living her life!
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Old 14-10-2012, 21:47
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Not really sure I'd say she's chasing Jack, I think that he's the one chasing her and she's just showing interest?

Her obsession with Denny is, at least in my opinion, to do with firstly the fact that she went for years thinking she wasn't able to have kids, so he's pretty much a miracle, secondly because he is Dennis' kid, and the over protectiveness would be because of what happened to Dennis and she just doesn't want anything to happen to Denny.

I think that she's going to be quite down for a while, but I like to think that she will come through it once she's had time to adjust to everything, and with the help of everyone around her, and then she'll be back to the old Sharon, albeit more mature what with her being a mother now.

Really I don't think we can expect her to come back and be happy and bubbly after everything that happened before her '06 exit, Walford probably holds a lot of ghosts for her right now, and then there was the whole keeping Dennis' true death a secret from Denny and then having Derek blurt it out... Not gonna lie, I don't think I'd be too cheery if I was living her life!
Erm OK ......

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Old 14-10-2012, 22:06
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Bryan Kirkwood when asked about Sharon's return made a direct comparison to Ronnie which was worrying but with a new EP in charge now hopefully this doesnt happen.

Sharon was never a depressing character she was always a bubbly, fun loving, confident person. Yes she did have her moments of misery but she was in the show for over 20 years on and off so was bound to incur some heartache within the storylines, as with all long term soap characters - just look at Ian and Phil and everything they've been through.

She was nothing like Ronnie who in the space of just 4 years suffered from almost every tragedy possible.
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Old 14-10-2012, 22:55
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The difference between Ronnie and Sharon is that Ronnie only ever had Roxy and Jack to support her. Even they betrayed her. For many years, Ronnie suffered horrific abuse by her father and she had to bottle this up for years because her sister wouldn't believe her; she was always thick enough to see her father as a saint. Bottling up trauma can be damaging to an individual's overall well-being. That's why she grew up closed, depressed and distrustful. Her mother walked out on her when she was thirteen and was left to suffer at the hands of her evil father alone.

Sharon has loyal friends who she can trust such as Ian. She never had a childhood, nowhere as bad as Ronnie's. She was loved despite not having the most rounded parents, so therefore she is able to bounce back quicker because she is very open and can talk about her problems before she goes insane.
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Old 16-10-2012, 01:59
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The difference between Ronnie and Sharon is that Ronnie only ever had Roxy and Jack to support her. Even they betrayed her. For many years, Ronnie suffered horrific abuse by her father and she had to bottle this up for years because her sister wouldn't believe her; she was always thick enough to see her father as a saint. Bottling up trauma can be damaging to an individual's overall well-being. That's why she grew up closed, depressed and distrustful. Her mother walked out on her when she was thirteen and was left to suffer at the hands of her evil father alone.

Sharon has loyal friends who she can trust such as Ian. She never had a childhood, nowhere as bad as Ronnie's. She was loved despite not having the most rounded parents, so therefore she is able to bounce back quicker because she is very open and can talk about her problems before she goes insane.
Very true with this post. All the same, let's hope they don't try and turn Sharon into the next tragic heroinne and ruin her, like they did in every conceivable way with Ronnie of course - which, incidentally is an idea I don't think they are entertaining with regard to Sharon's third/fourth coming anyway.
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Old 16-10-2012, 02:27
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Sharon spent her last year in a Ronnie-like state in 2005 with all the drama.

That's just the thing with those two characters, they attract misery and death.

The big difference is Sharon's has been spaced out over 20+ years whereas Ronnie's character collapsed under the weight of it all because it was crammed into such a short period.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:43
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Sharon spent her last year in a Ronnie-like state in 2005 with all the drama.

That's just the thing with those two characters, they attract misery and death.

The big difference is Sharon's has been spaced out over 20+ years whereas Ronnie's character collapsed under the weight of it all because it was crammed into such a short period.
True enough. Sharon had all the trauma of late 2004 to deal with (her Dad Den's murder) and then Dennis's a year later of course. As you said though, it was all spread over a greater period of time, so in turn it was more realistic and rationalised........all that on top of all else a decade or so earlier such as her affair with Phil behind Grant's back,then going back further to her parents' divorce and Mum's death, a mixed upbringing......

By contrast, Ronnie's more recent unprecedented, almost impossible catalogue of tragic events was all condensed down into four short years by comparison, therefore making it less believable and ultimately silly! Shit does happen, as they say but not to that degree and in such a short space of time to a single individual living in a small square mile radius - well not in the real world! Ronnie's story was all over sensationalised by two EPs who seemed hell-bent on finishing her off between them with the storylines that were introduced and executed by both of them.....
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:49
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I don't see many comparisons between Ronnie and Sharon. It was only Birkwood that decided that they were similar and now Lorraine Newman (who thinks a lot like him) has kind of ruined her character. Nevertheless, I prefer many of her current scenes than Ronnie's, particularly the Baby Swap.
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:04
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I don't see many comparisons between Ronnie and Sharon. It was only Birkwood that decided that they were similar and now Lorraine Newman (who thinks a lot like him) has kind of ruined her character. Nevertheless, I prefer many of her current scenes than Ronnie's, particularly the Baby Swap.
Yes, although I thought Ronnie was still good up until when they got her back with Jack in mid 2009 after she'd lost Danielle - and was then trying like mad for a baby, simply to cushion the blow of Danielle's death and the chronological way it had all arisen of course re Archie's series of lies to her et al. Ronnie's methods included puncturing condoms and then going for any bloke going, including her first love Joel again, the late Owen and finally back with Jack....all with dire consequences no less.....
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:05
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I don't see many comparisons between Ronnie and Sharon. It was only Birkwood that decided that they were similar and now Lorraine Newman (who thinks a lot like him) has kind of ruined her character. Nevertheless, I prefer many of her current scenes than Ronnie's, particularly the Baby Swap.
Lorraine Newman's stuff (storylines) probably won't even be onscreen till January. The majority of scripts right now, will be Bryan Kirkwood's - certainly, Chyred's own leaving storyline was devised in the January/February, of this year when Kirkwood was still apart of the show - that's one of the more recent examples of how far scripts are planned in advance. Indeed, I believe TPTB apporached Letitia Dean about coming back to EE last year, and would have likely had an idea for her return storyline in light of that even then - and Kirkwood was definetly still EP then. As such, I'd lay the responsibility, for Sharon's 'issues' at him, more than anyone else. Saying that, I don't think Sharon's really been ruined. All she needs to do is get away from the Brannings, and her character is pretty much great.
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:40
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On Ronnie versus Sharon, comparisons I'd say they are two largely different characters - the only common denominator between them is both of them are put in the tragic heroine bracket; when really it is a fallacy. Ronnie is mistakenly put in the tragic heroine bracket, and that type of characterisation in reference to Sharon is out of its date now; it worked in the 2001 – 2006 era, but really shouldn't be renewed now.

Yes, it’s true Ronnie only had Jack and Roxy. The alternative argument to this point is that that situation was a consequence of Ronnie's own personality. She didn't really go beyond the confines of the Mitchell family to truly interact with anyone; there's an element of trust issues there with that, but there's also the fact she had a fixation with fitting her sister in the role of a substitute child to fill an insecurity void inside of her; she saw child rearing as a means of completing herself as a person and this method of self-remedy affected Roxy's ability to mature, and grow. Its why, I suspect she was quick to freeze most people out of her life, and Roxy's life too - the more Roxy built a life for herself, the more she grew as a person and the less of the emotional dependency she would have on Ronnie.

That's why Roxy ended up being separated from her human umbilical cord of her sister, through circumstance. By sleeping with Jack. Through that, Roxy claimed something that was Ronnie's for a night, and was essentially made redundant as an avenue as a substitute child, by becoming a mother herself. It's why Ronnie began to look for other avenues - Jack being a main one, but a string of other blokes at one stage also being it - of conceiving a child. Ronnie couldn't bear that her sister had achieve the self-completion she had so craved in her life.

There is the vaguest comparison of this character trait with Sharon. Sharon, too wanted children but, for different reasons which is differentiates her from Ronnie. Ronnie's reasons related in control; reclaiming control of her life, restoring a sense of identity for herself and giving herself a sense of self-worthy and reason for living. Sharon's reasons for wanting children were rooted in a lack of a cohesive family unit as a child. Yes, Den and Angie were people she adored, and they adored her - but Sharon never got the stability she often wanted as child with Den and Angie, largely because of the nature of their tumultuous marriage, and how often she would get caught in the middle of it. I think Sharon had a misplaced sense of jealously towards Michelle, because she saw it that Michelle had that stability with Pauline and Arthur, when even their marriage had its knocks.

All Sharon, ever wanted was a family; not just a child, but a family. She wanted a stable family, not conflicted by endless drama, and that would give her a sense of belonging. I suspect she really wanted a family with Grant, but obviously events (and an affair) kind of messed that one up. I suspect, it's why she uses Denny as an emotional crutch. Many mock her overtly affectionate tone with him, and her attachment to him as 'annoying', or even not being in Sharon's character, but I believe it is. As someone who is without much biological/adoptive family these days, (three of them all died; Angie, Den, Dennis, her adoptive family didn't want to know her) it makes sense she would be over-protective Denny, as her last human link to her family. He's her last link to Dennis, and her last link to Den, her own father.

I suspect if Ronnie had ever successfully conceived, she would be the female version of Derek on parenting. Some could say Sharon's guilty of freezing out people too, but I'm unsure of this. She pretty much uses Ian as a full-time baby-sitter for Denny; the only people I've seen her weary of are the Brannings, and to a small degree Phil. The latter is somewhat understandable, given that this Phil Mitchell and on day one of their 'bonding' Phil wasn't a very good influence on him. I also think, funnily enough Sharon doesn't want Denny to end up like Den, Phil, or even Dennis; people involved in varying degrees over their lives in the criminal underworld; thus her memes 'Denny doesn't play violent video-games etc.' and her procrastinations on Denny learning about grassing and lying.

This way of living, has somehow claimed apart of all of those men's lives; it lead to Den coming out of Sharon's life for fourteen years, it claimed Dennis' own life, and has a claimed a good part of Phil's conscience too. Sharon's resilience on the Brannings, is very understandable, given she's only known them two seconds, and like a pack of hyenas are all up in her business. Please. I'd even say its right she keeps her info out of BranningDom.
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:46
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The difference between Ronnie and Sharon is that Ronnie only ever had Roxy and Jack to support her. Even they betrayed her. For many years, Ronnie suffered horrific abuse by her father and she had to bottle this up for years because her sister wouldn't believe her; she was always thick enough to see her father as a saint. Bottling up trauma can be damaging to an individual's overall well-being. That's why she grew up closed, depressed and distrustful. Her mother walked out on her when she was thirteen and was left to suffer at the hands of her evil father alone.

Sharon has loyal friends who she can trust such as Ian. She never had a childhood, nowhere as bad as Ronnie's. She was loved despite not having the most rounded parents, so therefore she is able to bounce back quicker because she is very open and can talk about her problems before she goes insane.
I pray to god that they better not make out that Den abused Sharon off screen!
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Old 16-10-2012, 18:16
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too late, they should have left her in the states.
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