Hi Charlie
Welcome to the saddest thread on the forum right now (I mean emotionally sad, not that us lot posting are saddos by the way...).
I still love this storyline too. At times like this, I really, really wish I didn't!



So I had a horrible thought last night (just to add to the depression on here already ) that what if John Paul is paired off with some other guy, let's say Doug for example.
Now good looking, young gay couples will always attract fangirls no matter how good or bad the couple actually are. So what if JP and Doug became a 'ship' and fans started 'shipping' them and wanting them to leave together for their happy ever after?
I mean if people can seriously ship JP and the priest despite how ridiculous and devoid of chemistry it was, they will seriously ship anyone....and we, better than anyone, know that Hollyoaks aren't opposed giving fans a sunset ending if they shout loudly enough.

Wow I need a slap. This is my most depressing thought yet.

You have really made my night. It's really great of you to say what you have inspite of the fact you didn't even like McDean.





I agree with everything you are saying.

A happy ending for any couple in a soap far less any tv (fictional) show is rare and was so thankful to HO that they felt that the characters of Craig and John Paul deserved one.
It just made them that much more special in my eyes.

And to now have that taken away leaves me frankly annoyed with all concern (BK/JS).

Sometimes things are left best where they are and in bringing back JP, BK risks destroying what was so great and wonderful about the character of John Paul.
BK will have already destroyed the legend that WAS McDean because he is already saying they were never this rare special couple that a lot of us felt they were.

With JP's return they will be turned into another couple that was suppose to be one of the great everlasting loves but just become a distant memory of JP's young adulthood.

And they now feel tainted and all the joy I got from the many many fanfics is not gonna be the same.
I'm not sure I'll be as into them any more as they have lost something for me.

Has James made any remarks to any of the comments about McDean on his twitter page??

Nope hun.
The closest he came to it was this;

@thejamessutton No disrespect to Guy, but I hope they highlight JP's own character this time. You did an AMAZING job of making him so human.

And James' reply:
@JoAnne_Hankey bless you. very kind.

Doesn't give anything away AT ALL but at least he acknowledges and replies to a tweet with Guy's name in. I searched his '@' mentions () and both he and Hollyoaks have received tweets expressing their disappointment in Mcdean splitting.
It makes little difference to anything really but it makes me feel better that people aren't just going to let him forget what Mcdean meant to them.

Also a few 'but what about Mcdean?!' type comments here:

http://www.e4.com/blog/hollyoaks/pos...anchor=comment

but sadly they are mixed with plenty of 'get Brendan and John Paul together' comments too.

The sad thing is you are probably right about this and I reckon BK hopes this happens as well.

But can James make it three in a row.

He was lucky in that the chemistry was right with Craig.

As for kieron, well I didn't see it at all but others did and it created a big shipping war on here.

If it was to be Doug who JP was paired with (and it makes me wanna puke saying that because I never thought we'd be here again having to see JP go into a new relationship) then would that really work?
Are people that happy to accept JP back that they will happily see him with anyone.
Will the JPkers be so happy it's done for him and Craig that they can accept anyone else?

Who knows, but BK is and will be willing to take the gamble on it.

BIB - I like Brendan as a character, I really do despite the fact he is so dark and twisted and is a 'freak'

But COME ON as if?!

Isn't Brendan leaving soon anyway?

Sadly many JPKer's appear to be rejoicing in his news because even though Kieron is dead, they still see Craig as destroying their ship.
I can see them jumping on any other ship that isn't Craig/JP just out of spite and hate for Craig.
I mean I remember the JPKer's deciding that if we could influence a Sunset Ending then they might be able to influence Kieron's fate. So they campaigned and petitioned for him to be saved (didn't work though....).

To be honest, if 'stug' can be shipped to the extent that they have been then Hollyoaks fansgirl's will leap on anything. Whether it makes sense or there is chemistry between them is secondary to the 'two guys kissing aspect'.

As fr Brendan and John Paul, it would be absolutely ridiculous. At least I can find myself amused by the idea, unlike the idea of JP/Doug which just makes me depressed to even think about.

My first thought when I heard JP was coming back was "BUT WHAT ABOUT CRAIG?!"

Not only was Guy the hottest in Hollyoaks (and hasn't yet been topped, imo), JP and Craig's story was just so brilliant that they can't destroy it now. PLEASE.

I never thought I actually say this or feel this way but I hope to god he is. (Rumors say in Feb 2013) Although I would like it to be sooner than that now.
There is no way that he and John Paul would work on ANY level.
It's just too yukky to think of.
But that's pretty much what I would think of with JP and either Ste or Doug.

In fact I will think that with any one that JP is paired up with that isn't Craig.

Com'on, they'll never put Brendan with JP. Brendan is all about Ste, and always will be until his exit!

It's a actually 6 years since JP and Craig met and the McDean storyline started about 3 months later.

So many years of devotion and all we get is a kick where it hurts!

Is Brendan the gay bloke who beats up his lovers?

Well that would be probably all that's left for JP to be subjected to when he goes back.

To me, JP's return and splitting McDean is like if they had a Friends reunion without Ross, and Rachel revealed they'd broken up. Not only do I feel cheated in terms of a cheap gimmicky return but any break up will have to be offscreen and belittles the whole thing.

*sigh*

Well I'll always try to respect anyone's right to ship any couple they like even if I can't see what they believe is so great about their couple but I will question their logic in why they would like that particular couple when it isn't shown clear to me why they belong together.

And it really doesn't surprise me about the JPkers or the Craig haters who are rejoicing in their supposed victory in finally being able to prove once and for all that Craig and John Paul only happened again because of kieron's death.
Way to go BK, thanks for that

Yes, he used to beat up his bloke but hopefully he is over that!

Nah, it would be an insult to Brendan/Ste to suddenly involve either of them overnight with JP just because JP is gay and happens to be in HO again. Not even this soap is this fickle!

I predict that JP won't get with anyone before Brendan's exit, but he will in the aftermath.

BIB - Yes I would most certainly agree with you about Guy (my first grin while having to talk about this )

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Making WHO human? What a funny comment.

JP's character was highlighted for 2 years! Didn't she watch at the time?! JP was certainly never overshadowed by Craig,

Clearly someone who didn't like Craig.

I think Hollyoaks need to remember what made everyone love John Paul so much in the first place - he was a character who happened to be gay, not a gay character.

It will be a total disservice to his history for him to come into the show and end up with Brendan/Ste/Doug just because they happen to be gay.

I forgot to mention in my last post that I have 'Epic Last Song' on my iPod and everytime it comes on Shuffle I smile. They're taking that away from us now.

You don't need a slap. The whole thing seems really depressing at the moment. I really wasn't expecting these horrible feelings to return. I have to keep reminding myself that its only a storyline and McDean are only a fictional couple. However with that said, soaps are made too be watched and for the public to get involved. So i think its justified for us to feel some kind of depression.

On another note, I recently rediscovered my love for the McDean Playlist. That has now be tainted by recent events.

Did the priest lovers never acknowledge the FACT that Kieron was dead before he even appeared?! Even Jake was told he'd be killed off when he got the job and he was only in as long as he was - through the summer - cos Guy couldn't get back when he was originally going to so James extended his contract for 3 months (just like Guy had done when he originally left, to accomodate the rest of the McDean storyline) til July so the SE took place in September.

But I remember it was a spoiler in November 07 - 3 months before the priest appeared - that Niall was going to kill him.
So it was silly thinking anything was going to save him!

And there was zero chemistry between Jake and James - they were too pally in real life so they only ever came across as mates there was no 'sexual' chemistry like there was by the bucketful between James and Guy.
Same for James and Tom (Spike) too pally in real life so zero chemistry.

Like I said, James will never have chemistry with anyone he works with that will match the crackling chemistry he had with Guy. What lucky casting!

I do respect other's opinions but I don't respect blatant gloating because something that means so much to some, is being destroyed.


Flukie I thought it was an odd comment too but it's the only one that I've seen James reply to that has Guy or Craig's name in it.
Ok so that particular tweet wasn't the most positive in terms of Mcdean but at least it shows he's reading his tweets.

History also apppears to be being rewritten in the fact that people are claiming the 'sunset Ending' was not a Sunset Ending at all because Kieron died.
I must have been imagining it then when I saw JP clearly chose Craig BEFORE Kieron died?
Kieron's death meant nothing in the end. The SE would have happened whether he was alive or not. Craig was John Paul's first choice.

Wow, I really shouldn't let myself get worked up by this after all this time. I just can't stand the gloating knowing how much Mcdean still means to many of us.

Just stop going to that forum, it's pointless. They are pro-Kieron and pro-Stug, and if that doesn't say it all...