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Old 15-10-2012, 12:18
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I was watching the Strictly dance-off and it all went so smoothly because they have a head judge who has the last say that ENSURES the best act stays in.

This can't happen with the X Factor because there is no head judge that has any extra powers.

Because a mentor will always say "You were good but I have to support my act, so I'm sending you home" to their act that finds themselves in the bottom two, they have to rely on just two judges. The mentoring judges are superfluous.

To go through the rigmarole of going to each judge AND THEN go to "deadlock" - you may as well go straight to deadlock.
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Old 15-10-2012, 12:25
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I agree.

I suspect that X Factor bosses have kept it in to create 'suspense', but all it does is prolong the show an unnecessary 15 minutes. And there is no suspense as you know that judges with acts will save their own acts, so it is a flawed process.

Perhaps that is why Strictly is winning the ratings war - there is no mentoring and therefore there is a more transparent process.
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Old 15-10-2012, 12:25
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
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Old 15-10-2012, 12:30
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Think the judges decision was one of the 'many differences' that Cowell was to use in court case brought by Pop Idol owners (Simon Fuller?) against him for ripping them off. Amicably settled out of court surprise surprise.
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Old 15-10-2012, 15:04
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
If you mean announce the bottom two at the start of the Sunday Results show then re-open the votes from scratch, I agree.

There's no point of having a sing off if Louis (or whoever) says "I have to stick with my act". You could have Leona Lewis vs. Robert Unwin up there and they'd still "have to save my act".
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Old 15-10-2012, 15:10
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I'd rather a single phone on Saturday night for the act you want to leave. No sing-off, no judges pretending they can't decide, no deadlock - just open the envelope and announce the loser. That way, when someone puts in a dire performance, such as District 3 the last two weeks, they'll go, as all their teenie fans can do is vote for someone else in the hope of saving them.
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Old 15-10-2012, 15:11
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I agree.

I suspect that X Factor bosses have kept it in to create 'suspense', but all it does is prolong the show an unnecessary 15 minutes. And there is no suspense as you know that judges with acts will save their own acts, so it is a flawed process.

Perhaps that is why Strictly is winning the ratings war - there is no mentoring and therefore there is a more transparent process.
Seeing as X Factor won plenty of years with mentoring as part of the format it seems unlikely that is the issue this year. And the 15 minutes is worth millions to ITV so it's very necessary!

I think the halfway solution is to have a bottom 3 in the first few weeks. The judges save one act. The bottom 2 go to the public vote.

That allows the judges to keep their role, maybe stir up a bit of controversy. It fills the show better as well because you'd have the bottom 3 result and judges vote early on rather than at he end.

If you just had a bottom 2 straight to the public vote then you'd end up with people trying to get rid of controversial contestants and keeping average but dull contestants. Basically the problem Big Brother has had for years where all the semi interesting ones go home early.

Think the judges decision was one of the 'many differences' that Cowell was to use in court case brought by Pop Idol owners (Simon Fuller?) against him for ripping them off. Amicably settled out of court surprise surprise.
No, the sing off wasn't part of the deal (mentoring was, so were groups and no upper age limit and the judges houses stage).
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Old 15-10-2012, 15:14
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Sing-offs are entertaining.

People need to stop whnning if their favourites go home, it's only a tv show.
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Old 15-10-2012, 15:26
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Dump the sing off.. dump the judges... let us decide for ourselves!!!
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Old 15-10-2012, 16:28
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Lucie versus Jedward changed everything. When the head honcho choses the joke act over a serious singer then the law of unintended consequences makes an appearance. Whereas up to then the producers tried to hold the line that, as in SCD, it was the sing-off performance that was important. Simon obviously thought that saving Jedward would be a once-off but unintentionally it has allowed all the other judges to make similar crazy decisions. We have had 2 in 2 weeks from 2 separate judges in this series.
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Old 15-10-2012, 16:32
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Good thread Jack.

The sing off no longer has meaning and the show is putting no effort into hiding it.

I believe we won't see a judge voting against there own act ever again only unless two acts from the same category are in the sing off.
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Old 15-10-2012, 17:22
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I like the sing-off. It lets someone like Melanie show what she can really do, assuming the song is one she has chosen herself, and it lets the acts go out on a high note, especially at the start of the finals when they've done so few performances.

I don't think it's fair to criticise the judges for supporting their own acts - obviously that's what they're going to do. I think years ago Simon did not and was utterly condemned for it. However, were one judge to have both of the bottom acts, I think they should be forced to vote first and pick one, and unless they do, both get sent home. Now that would be entertaining.
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Old 15-10-2012, 17:34
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They should announce the bottom three, reset the phone votes, do the sing off and let the public decide again based on the sing off. Screw the judges.
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Old 29-10-2012, 00:21
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More evidence this week that the sing-off is a waste of time.
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Old 29-10-2012, 00:28
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I was watching the Strictly dance-off and it all went so smoothly because they have a head judge who has the last say that ENSURES the best act stays in.

This can't happen with the X Factor because there is no head judge that has any extra powers.
Strictly has only just brought back the Dance-off and partly, I think, because the public were saving awful acts like Anne Widdecombe..
For me, it's worked, though a few people aren't happy about it..

But, other than the idea of a head judge having the casting vote, which, as you say works, I'd be all in favour of a panel of judges, all of whom are totally independent of the acts they see on stage..

But, I still think a sing off of some description needs to take place.

Rich.
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Old 29-10-2012, 01:24
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The sing off's are pointless in their current format because the judges have already decided in advance who they are sending home. The only solution for the sing off to be worthwhile is to open the phone lines to the public after the sing-off then announce the result later in the evening.
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Old 29-10-2012, 01:51
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I can understand Louis ignoring the sing-off because he has a very fixed idea who he prefers. He rarely changes his opinion and he often prefers "stars" over talent.

But Nicole choosing a boyband over Jade, obvious the better vocalist, is mad and proof the sing-off is useless. I gasped when she made her choice.
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Old 29-10-2012, 08:31
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Lucie versus Jedward changed everything. When the head honcho choses the joke act over a serious singer then the law of unintended consequences makes an appearance. Whereas up to then the producers tried to hold the line that, as in SCD, it was the sing-off performance that was important. Simon obviously thought that saving Jedward would be a once-off but unintentionally it has allowed all the other judges to make similar crazy decisions. We have had 2 in 2 weeks from 2 separate judges in this series.
Spot on, 3 weeks out of 4 the person who has sung best in the sing off has gone home rendering it nothing more than a token gesture.
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Old 29-10-2012, 08:37
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
You're an idiot. No one would vote in the main vote then because what's the point when they can wait until Sunday, see if their favourite is in trouble and THEN vote.
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Old 29-10-2012, 08:38
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If you mean announce the bottom two at the start of the Sunday Results show then re-open the votes from scratch, I agree.

There's no point of having a sing off if Louis (or whoever) says "I have to stick with my act". You could have Leona Lewis vs. Robert Unwin up there and they'd still "have to save my act".
See my above post.
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Old 29-10-2012, 08:39
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They should announce the bottom three, reset the phone votes, do the sing off and let the public decide again based on the sing off. Screw the judges.
See my above post.
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Old 29-10-2012, 08:40
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The sing off's are pointless in their current format because the judges have already decided in advance who they are sending home. The only solution for the sing off to be worthwhile is to open the phone lines to the public after the sing-off then announce the result later in the evening.
See my above post.
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