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DUMP the sing-offs!
I was watching the Strictly dance-off and it all went so smoothly because they have a head judge who has the last say that ENSURES the best act stays in.
This can't happen with the X Factor because there is no head judge that has any extra powers. Because a mentor will always say "You were good but I have to support my act, so I'm sending you home" to their act that finds themselves in the bottom two, they have to rely on just two judges. The mentoring judges are superfluous. To go through the rigmarole of going to each judge AND THEN go to "deadlock" - you may as well go straight to deadlock. |
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I agree.
I suspect that X Factor bosses have kept it in to create 'suspense', but all it does is prolong the show an unnecessary 15 minutes. And there is no suspense as you know that judges with acts will save their own acts, so it is a flawed process. Perhaps that is why Strictly is winning the ratings war - there is no mentoring and therefore there is a more transparent process. |
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
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Think the judges decision was one of the 'many differences' that Cowell was to use in court case brought by Pop Idol owners (Simon Fuller?) against him for ripping them off. Amicably settled out of court surprise surprise.
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
There's no point of having a sing off if Louis (or whoever) says "I have to stick with my act". You could have Leona Lewis vs. Robert Unwin up there and they'd still "have to save my act". |
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I'd rather a single phone on Saturday night for the act you want to leave. No sing-off, no judges pretending they can't decide, no deadlock - just open the envelope and announce the loser. That way, when someone puts in a dire performance, such as District 3 the last two weeks, they'll go, as all their teenie fans can do is vote for someone else in the hope of saving them.
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I agree.
I suspect that X Factor bosses have kept it in to create 'suspense', but all it does is prolong the show an unnecessary 15 minutes. And there is no suspense as you know that judges with acts will save their own acts, so it is a flawed process. Perhaps that is why Strictly is winning the ratings war - there is no mentoring and therefore there is a more transparent process. I think the halfway solution is to have a bottom 3 in the first few weeks. The judges save one act. The bottom 2 go to the public vote. That allows the judges to keep their role, maybe stir up a bit of controversy. It fills the show better as well because you'd have the bottom 3 result and judges vote early on rather than at he end. If you just had a bottom 2 straight to the public vote then you'd end up with people trying to get rid of controversial contestants and keeping average but dull contestants. Basically the problem Big Brother has had for years where all the semi interesting ones go home early. Quote:
Think the judges decision was one of the 'many differences' that Cowell was to use in court case brought by Pop Idol owners (Simon Fuller?) against him for ripping them off. Amicably settled out of court surprise surprise.
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Sing-offs are entertaining.
People need to stop whnning if their favourites go home, it's only a tv show. |
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Dump the sing off.. dump the judges... let us decide for ourselves!!!
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Lucie versus Jedward changed everything. When the head honcho choses the joke act over a serious singer then the law of unintended consequences makes an appearance. Whereas up to then the producers tried to hold the line that, as in SCD, it was the sing-off performance that was important. Simon obviously thought that saving Jedward would be a once-off but unintentionally it has allowed all the other judges to make similar crazy decisions. We have had 2 in 2 weeks from 2 separate judges in this series.
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Good thread Jack.
The sing off no longer has meaning and the show is putting no effort into hiding it. I believe we won't see a judge voting against there own act ever again only unless two acts from the same category are in the sing off. |
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I like the sing-off. It lets someone like Melanie show what she can really do, assuming the song is one she has chosen herself, and it lets the acts go out on a high note, especially at the start of the finals when they've done so few performances.
I don't think it's fair to criticise the judges for supporting their own acts - obviously that's what they're going to do. I think years ago Simon did not and was utterly condemned for it. However, were one judge to have both of the bottom acts, I think they should be forced to vote first and pick one, and unless they do, both get sent home. Now that would be entertaining. |
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They should announce the bottom three, reset the phone votes, do the sing off and let the public decide again based on the sing off. Screw the judges.
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More evidence this week that the sing-off is a waste of time.
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I was watching the Strictly dance-off and it all went so smoothly because they have a head judge who has the last say that ENSURES the best act stays in.
This can't happen with the X Factor because there is no head judge that has any extra powers. For me, it's worked, though a few people aren't happy about it.. But, other than the idea of a head judge having the casting vote, which, as you say works, I'd be all in favour of a panel of judges, all of whom are totally independent of the acts they see on stage.. But, I still think a sing off of some description needs to take place. Rich. x |
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The sing off's are pointless in their current format because the judges have already decided in advance who they are sending home. The only solution for the sing off to be worthwhile is to open the phone lines to the public after the sing-off then announce the result later in the evening.
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I can understand Louis ignoring the sing-off because he has a very fixed idea who he prefers. He rarely changes his opinion and he often prefers "stars" over talent.
But Nicole choosing a boyband over Jade, obvious the better vocalist, is mad and proof the sing-off is useless. I gasped when she made her choice. |
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Lucie versus Jedward changed everything. When the head honcho choses the joke act over a serious singer then the law of unintended consequences makes an appearance. Whereas up to then the producers tried to hold the line that, as in SCD, it was the sing-off performance that was important. Simon obviously thought that saving Jedward would be a once-off but unintentionally it has allowed all the other judges to make similar crazy decisions. We have had 2 in 2 weeks from 2 separate judges in this series.
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I think what should happen is at the beginning of the show they announce the bottom 2 then they have a sing off, then phone lines reopen then the public vote again for who they want to stay then they announce it at the end.
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If you mean announce the bottom two at the start of the Sunday Results show then re-open the votes from scratch, I agree.
There's no point of having a sing off if Louis (or whoever) says "I have to stick with my act". You could have Leona Lewis vs. Robert Unwin up there and they'd still "have to save my act". |
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They should announce the bottom three, reset the phone votes, do the sing off and let the public decide again based on the sing off. Screw the judges.
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The sing off's are pointless in their current format because the judges have already decided in advance who they are sending home. The only solution for the sing off to be worthwhile is to open the phone lines to the public after the sing-off then announce the result later in the evening.
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