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Old 15-10-2012, 16:21
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It will likely do RGB which is not the same even though it uses the same number of video connectors.
That's actually not true - while it's called RGB it's actually RGB+sync - so uses one more connection than Component.

Component is simply a partially encoded version of RGB+sync.
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Old 15-10-2012, 16:38
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That's actually not true - while it's called RGB it's actually RGB+sync - so uses one more connection than Component.

Component is simply a partially encoded version of RGB+sync.
The composite connection in a scart cable provides the sync for RGB.
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Old 15-10-2012, 16:51
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I must admit I'm thrilled with the small new Panny ... but suprisd that TV's are coming onto the streets with only a single port for people to connect what may be a large number of legacy scart boxes.
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Old 15-10-2012, 17:18
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The composite connection in a scart cable provides the sync for RGB.
I know - but that's still an extra wire over component

The spec though is still RGB+sync, composite is used simply for ease.
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Old 15-10-2012, 17:20
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I must admit I'm thrilled with the small new Panny ... but suprisd that TV's are coming onto the streets with only a single port for people to connect what may be a large number of legacy scart boxes.
SCART is long dead, one SCART (and sometimes via a lead/adaptor) is all you get now on almost all TV's - HDMI has taken it's place.

You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well.
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Old 15-10-2012, 20:31
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You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well.
Should? Shouldn't? By what metric?
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Old 15-10-2012, 22:22
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Nothing wrong with my dvd recorder with 2 scart connections. You can't record from hdmi so you need the scart inputs. And as the scart outputs in standard definition RGB there's no need for HDMI output. I'm not going to upgrade that for no inprovement in picture quality. What a waste of money!
I shall upgrade when I want to, not when manufacturers or salesmen want me to!
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Old 15-10-2012, 22:25
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I must admit I'm thrilled with the small new Panny ... but suprisd that TV's are coming onto the streets with only a single port for people to connect what may be a large number of legacy scart boxes.
Agreed.
Even as recently as 2 years ago sets were available with two or even three SCART sockets as well as several HDMI.
I was in the same situation with a new TV with one SCART connector and the following without HDMI outputs
Freeview PVR
Panasonic DVD recorder
and (shame upon shame) a Panasonic S-VHS recorder
Fortunately I also had an AV switching hub (similar to the first one shown here http://www.threedoubleyou.com/quattroscart.htm) so, although not ideal, the problem was sorted

We all can't afford or don't want to replace every piece of equipment we have
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Old 16-10-2012, 08:42
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Should? Shouldn't? By what metric?
By the simple reasoning that it's obsolete, why should new equipment have to support old obsolete equipment? - HDMI has replaced SCART, sad but that's the way it is.

From an installer point of view it's a big problem, because it's often impossible to connect all the customers old equipment to a new TV.

Perhaps you've noticed that stereos don't support playing 78 records any more?, same reason.
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Old 16-10-2012, 09:23
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By the simple reasoning that it's obsolete, why should new equipment have to support old obsolete equipment? - HDMI has replaced SCART, sad but that's the way it is.

From an installer point of view it's a big problem, because it's often impossible to connect all the customers old equipment to a new TV.
Think you have answered your own question.

Backwards compatibility, doesn't require the user to needlessly upgrade exsisting equipment.

Perhaps you've noticed that stereos don't support playing 78 records any more?, same reason.
Nope.

http://www.steepletonerecordplayer.com/new_products.php
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Old 16-10-2012, 09:43
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Think you have answered your own question.
Not really a 'question' just a statement of facts


Backwards compatibility, doesn't require the user to needlessly upgrade exsisting equipment.
But it increases the cost of the TV, which customers aren't prepared to pay.
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Old 16-10-2012, 09:49
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Not really a 'question' just a statement of facts



But it increases the cost of the TV, which customers aren't prepared to pay.
But they would be prepared to pay even more replacing their existing equipment, that makes no sense to me.

I would rather pay a little extra for a scart connection on a TV than have to go out and buy new equipment.
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Old 16-10-2012, 10:08
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But they would be prepared to pay even more replacing their existing equipment, that makes no sense to me.
There shouldn't be that much to buy - VCR is dead and gone, the TV has Freeview built-in, any modern PVR should be HD and have HDMI anyway, so perhaps an old DVD player?.


I would rather pay a little extra for a scart connection on a TV than have to go out and buy new equipment.
Unfortunately everyone says that - then go out and buy a cheaper set
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Old 16-10-2012, 10:50
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By the simple reasoning that it's obsolete, why should new equipment have to support old obsolete equipment? - HDMI has replaced SCART, sad but that's the way it is.

From an installer point of view it's a big problem, because it's often impossible to connect all the customers old equipment to a new TV.

Perhaps you've noticed that stereos don't support playing 78 records any more?, same reason.
Like the PAL analogue RF distribution used by Sky is. Should everyone scrap their Sky boxes ?. Basically OK to drop analogue inputs but not Analogue tuners. Talk about mixed standards
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Old 16-10-2012, 10:52
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There shouldn't be that much to buy - VCR is dead and gone, the TV has Freeview built-in, any modern PVR should be HD and have HDMI anyway, so perhaps an old DVD player?.
Is this what you tell your customers?

Regardless of how much they cost, why should consumers replace equipment that is still fully functional?

I know a couple of people who run an old VCR/DVD and are perfectly happy with them, I even use an old DVD player that only has scart for the Grandkids, why should we have to go out and replace them?

Unfortunately everyone says that - then go out and buy a cheaper set
They say it because it's more realistic.

Buy a cheaper set, surely you are not implying only the cheaper sets are supporting analogue connections.
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Old 16-10-2012, 10:55
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There shouldn't be that much to buy - VCR is dead and gone, the TV has Freeview built-in, any modern PVR should be HD and have HDMI anyway, so perhaps an old DVD player?.



Unfortunately everyone says that - then go out and buy a cheaper set
What about expensive AV kit, My Denon amp bristles with analogue inputs all upscalable to hdmi (composite-s-video component) and only 3 hdmi inputs. The amp means 1 scart plus component would be OK but without the amp I would be stuffed. Basically this allows all my kit including HD to share a single modulator.
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Old 16-10-2012, 12:03
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Not really a 'question' just a statement of facts



But it increases the cost of the TV, which customers aren't prepared to pay.
the cost of adding a scart connection, or in this case an extra scart connection, is negligible. so close to nothing as to be irrelevant.

it's obviously built in obsolescence. obviously.
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Old 16-10-2012, 12:32
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the cost of adding a scart connection, or in this case an extra scart connection, is negligible. so close to nothing as to be irrelevant.
Not at all - the saving of a single resistor is worthwhile to a manufacturer.
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Old 16-10-2012, 14:36
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By the simple reasoning that it's obsolete, why should new equipment have to support old obsolete equipment? - HDMI has replaced SCART, sad but that's the way it is.

From an installer point of view it's a big problem, because it's often impossible to connect all the customers old equipment to a new TV.

Perhaps you've noticed that stereos don't support playing 78 records any more?, same reason.
Nigel - I didn't reply to your original note to me when you made the rather bizarre comment:

You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well.
because a reply would have been unfair on you. However - I mean this a loving and caring (in the community) way - you do need to get a grip on reality.

Scart is not obsolete. It is still used. To help you, this is about current products and those that people have bought now or recently. And for your argument to be cogent it needs to be (even if only slightly) sensible. I am not arguing for the retention of swan feather quills so that I can write with my retained 5th century quill pens. Even I use modern pens. This is scart. Products are still sold with scart socket and with scart cables. Even my latest YouView box came with a scart cable. No one currently issues 78 rpm records except in Goodwinland.. This I realise will be a shock to you.

From an installer point of view it's a big problem, because it's often impossible to connect all the customers old equipment to a new TV.
To add a little to your confusion I couldn't care a toss about installers. I don't currently use them - thankfully - if they think like you. I do understand that this will confuse you ..... but if there was a scart socket in the so**ing TV no one gets hurt and people can connect their stuff - even you as an installer - with their new TV and proceed with their lives in an ordlely fashion.

Why do you find such simple ideas so terminally confusing?

Either you are genuinely confused or you are trolling which would be dissapointing for someone with your post count ..... I think.
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Old 16-10-2012, 14:43
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Not at all - the saving of a single resistor is worthwhile to a manufacturer.
Compared to potential loss of sales I doubt it.
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Old 16-10-2012, 14:45
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To add a little to your confusion I couldn't care a toss about installers. I don't currently use them - thankfully - if they think like you. I do understand that this will confuse you ..... but if there was a scart socket in the so**ing TV no one gets hurt and people can connect their stuff - even you as an installer - with their new TV and proceed with their lives in an ordlely fashion.

Why do you find such simple ideas so terminally confusing?
I'm not confused in any way - although perhaps you are?, SCART is now almost entirely gone from TV's, no matter how much you wish it might be otherwise it's not going to change.

I like SCART, no reason to use HDMI apart from getting HD through it - but it's all but gone - that's the way life is.
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Old 16-10-2012, 14:46
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I'm not confused in any way - although perhaps you are?, SCART is now almost entirely gone from TV's, no matter how much you wish it might be otherwise it's not going to change.

I like SCART, no reason to use HDMI apart from getting HD through it - but it's all but gone - that's the way life is.
"SCART is now almost entirely gone from TV's,"

The clue was in your own post mate.
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Old 16-10-2012, 14:47
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Compared to potential loss of sales I doubt it.
As adding the extra costs, which would be substantial from a manufacturing point, would DECREASE actual sales (as people will just buy cheaper sets) there's no potential loss of sales at all, quite the opposite.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:12
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As adding the extra costs, which would be substantial from a manufacturing point, would DECREASE actual sales (as people will just buy cheaper sets) there's no potential loss of sales at all, quite the opposite.
whatever it is you do for a living you should stick to it.

there is no internal logic to your arguments at all.

it is in the interests of tv manufacturers to make your dvd player, hard disk recorder or whatever, obsolete because the also sell those things.

that is the reason they don't include scart sockets. this is so blindingly obviously true it is very difficult to imagine why you can not see it.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:24
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As adding the extra costs, which would be substantial from a manufacturing point, would DECREASE actual sales (as people will just buy cheaper sets) there's no potential loss of sales at all, quite the opposite.
The extra costs are substantial yet the cheaper sets are fully supported.

Surely this shows it makes very little difference to the price.

A set with no scart ain't going to appeal to the consumer who still requires a scart connection, surely that's a loss of a sale.
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