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Old 16-10-2012, 15:30
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whatever it is you do for a living you should stick to it.

there is no internal logic to your arguments at all.

it is in the interests of tv manufacturers to make your dvd player, hard disk recorder or whatever, obsolete because the also sell those things.

that is the reason they don't include scart sockets. this is so blindingly obviously true it is very difficult to imagine why you can not see it.
They sell Sony TV's.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:42
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The extra costs are substantial yet the cheaper sets are fully supported.
You must be easily confused? - adding extra SCART sockets increases the price of the TV - so most people will buy cheaper TV's that only have one SCART.

Seems pretty simple and obvious to me?.

No doubt people here are going to say that they would happily pay extra for more SCART's, but people always claim that - but in practice they then buy the cheaper set.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:43
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When I bought my Panny last week, I checked several things. .... but to be honest ... it never occurred to me to check it had scart sockets. I presumed it would. I recognise that makes me careless .. but I sort of presmed all TV's still come with at least one scart socket.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:45
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Although I always thought scart was a poor design the fact remains there is a hell of a lot of scart only devices from very recent time still in use & some still in the shops being sold.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:46
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it is in the interests of tv manufacturers to make your dvd player, hard disk recorder or whatever, obsolete because the also sell those things.

that is the reason they don't include scart sockets. this is so blindingly obviously true it is very difficult to imagine why you can not see it.
You can't beat a good conspiracy theory

So you imagine ALL TV manufacturers have got together and conspired to make sets with only a single SCART?, you don't think some of them would produce sets with multiple SCART's and outsell all their rivals?.

There might still be an odd TV with two SCART's?, but they don't sell any better - and the next model will almost certainly have dropped to one.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:47
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You must be easily confused? - adding extra SCART sockets increases the price of the TV - so most people will buy cheaper TV's that only have one SCART.

Seems pretty simple and obvious to me?.

No doubt people here are going to say that they would happily pay extra for more SCART's, but people always claim that - but in practice they then buy the cheaper set.
You are confused.

Most people do not use optical outputs. Most people do not need 4 HDMI ports. Most people don't use the headphone socket. Most people own products with scart.

You really are out of touch but are a dream customer if you really have dumped all your scart stuff for the latest super duper.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:48
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When I bought my Panny last week, I checked several things. .... but to be honest ... it never occurred to me to check it had scart sockets. I presumed it would. I recognise that makes me careless .. but I sort of presmed all TV's still come with at least one scart socket.
As far as I'm aware they all come with one - but usually only one - and it often makes live rather tricky.

Quite a few now as well provide a SCART adaptor, with a custom plug and a short lead to a flying SCART socket, to save space on the back of the TV (another reason for the demise of SCART, it takes lot's of space).
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:52
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You are confused.

Most people do not use optical outputs. Most people do not need 4 HDMI ports. Most people don't use the headphone socket. Most people own products with scart.

You really are out of touch but are a dream customer if you really have dumped all your scart stuff for the latest super duper.
I haven't dumped anything - I have ONE item connected via SCART at one, and that's a Tesco's HD Freeview box

You also seem to be of the opinion that I'm promoting the demise of SCART? - I'm simply telling people how it is, SCART is all but dead and gone - I'd much rather have at least two SCART's on all TV's. But it's not going to happen - that's not the way the market has moved.
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Old 16-10-2012, 15:56
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I haven't dumped anything - I have ONE item connected via SCART at one, and that's a Tesco's HD Freeview box

You also seem to be of the opinion that I'm promoting the demise of SCART? - I'm simply telling people how it is, SCART is all but dead and gone - I'd much rather have at least two SCART's on all TV's. But it's not going to happen - that's not the way the market has moved.
I don't think your promoting anything.

You said

You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well

which is simply rediculous.
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:08
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:10
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Scarey scarty
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Old 16-10-2012, 16:53
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
The SCART type equipment (such as Freeview boxes) is bought mainly for old TV's, and often even CRT ones - so they have SCART's anyway (many CRT sets only ever had a single SCART as well).

If you've just bought a new TV you shouldn't be looking at buying anything to go with it unless it has HDMI.

A big problem is Sky HD boxes - with a Sky+ box you can connect it via the single SCART, and loop your DVD player through the VCR socket on the Sky box. Unfortunately it doesn't loop out through the HDMI socket on an HD box, which would be a nice solution if it did.
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Old 16-10-2012, 17:01
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If you've just bought a new TV you shouldn't be looking at buying anything to go with it unless it has HDMI.
Nigel .... dear chap. What you have said here is sensible.

But when you said

You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well.
... wasn't.

Stop trying to change the subject and fess up. It was an idiotic thing to say ..... yes?
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Old 16-10-2012, 17:58
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
Why have a law that is not needed...just let it die out natrually
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Old 16-10-2012, 18:42
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I don't think the lack of scart sockets on new tv's has got much to do with cost.

More likely, it's that everyone strives for tv's to be so slim now, there's physically not enough room. Which is why you get those non standard "scart" sockets with an adaptor lead supplied.

And as for customers. My perception is most of them don't have a clue what they are buying. It's only when they call an independent guy like me to connect it all up for them (usually because they have tried and failed) that they realise their shiny new tv does not have all the sockets they need. Then then end up with a horrible scart switching box, or they trudge off back to the shops in a huff to buy a blue ray player with hdmi, when they were perfectly happy with their old dvd player with a scart socket.
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Old 16-10-2012, 19:41
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I really don't see much excuse for not adding at least one more scart adapter socket. Negligible cost or space taken.
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Old 16-10-2012, 19:53
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I really don't see much excuse for not adding at least one more scart adapter socket. Negligible cost or space taken.
Nothing is negligible - it would increase the price of the set, and mean that people wouldn't buy them.

There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?.

You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs).
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Old 16-10-2012, 20:16
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Most new TVs seem to have one scart socket and at least one set of RGB/phono inputs. Surely that is enough analogue connections in this day and age for the vast majority of people?
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Old 16-10-2012, 21:06
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Nothing is negligible - it would increase the price of the set, and mean that people wouldn't buy them.

There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?.

You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs).
What percentage of the total number of potential customers buying this TV today do you believe own only one scart box - or less?

How much do you believe the extra socket would cost to add?
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Old 17-10-2012, 00:03
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Nothing is negligible - it would increase the price of the set, and mean that people wouldn't buy them.

There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?.

You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs).
That I would tend to agree with, simply because there has been a growth of digital devices and a decline of analogue ones. Most manufacturers still provide a scart so their set is backwards compatible, you will find those sets that don't provide scart there will be others in the range that does. Personally speaking I think it has naff all to do with cost, just a gradual phasing out of the connection.
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Old 17-10-2012, 08:41
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How much do you believe the extra socket would cost to add?
I've no idea - but when a single resistor is considered worth saving by a manufacturer, SCART sockets, IC's and all the other components needed for SCART inputs would be fairly substantial.
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Old 17-10-2012, 09:45
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I would only start complaining if and when new TV sets offered *no* option for connecting analogue inputs. At the moment my sources are roughly 50/50 analogue/digital.
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Old 17-10-2012, 09:49
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There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?.
That's the most lame excuse I ever heard from a Sony retailer. On mine it takes seconds to turn off unused inputs hdmi and analogue. You only have to scroll through the ones you are using. In any case my Harmony remote has a single button for each input on the TV. And yes I would suggest dropping a hdmi input for an extra scart, it's dead easy to share a hdmi input using a tiny auto switch box (I have 5 items sharing a single hdmi input on my amp), auto switch boxes for scart even when you can still get them are a lot more expensive and very bulky.
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Old 17-10-2012, 11:31
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I've no idea - but when a single resistor is considered worth saving by a manufacturer, SCART sockets, IC's and all the other components needed for SCART inputs would be fairly substantial.
What manufacturer(s) has stated the price of a resistor is worth saving?

Can't believe the costs are that substantial, scart has been mass produced for years, manufacturers will surely be paying peanuts.

I've seen 75ohm resistors on the net priced at £2 per 100 (0.02p per unit), not the ones used I'm sure, but I can't see manufactures paying substantially more for something so mass produced.
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Old 17-10-2012, 11:31
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I've no idea - but when a single resistor is considered worth saving by a manufacturer, SCART sockets, IC's and all the other components needed for SCART inputs would be fairly substantial.
Exactly.

You've made my point. You have very strong opinions loudly expressed about things you know absolutely nothing about. Sadly, marketing is something that all non-marketing people are experts in.

You have no idea how many potential customers have one or less scart boxes (so no idea how many potential customers currently have more than one box they want to connect to their new TV); no idea what extra market would be gained by having one or more extra sockets for scart; no idea how much they would cost to add; but need none of this information to firmly conclude it wouldn't be profitable for them to provide.

Let's not have total ignorance on a subject preclude us arguing about it ......
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