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whatever it is you do for a living you should stick to it.
there is no internal logic to your arguments at all. it is in the interests of tv manufacturers to make your dvd player, hard disk recorder or whatever, obsolete because the also sell those things. that is the reason they don't include scart sockets. this is so blindingly obviously true it is very difficult to imagine why you can not see it.
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The extra costs are substantial yet the cheaper sets are fully supported.
![]() Seems pretty simple and obvious to me?. No doubt people here are going to say that they would happily pay extra for more SCART's, but people always claim that - but in practice they then buy the cheaper set. |
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When I bought my Panny last week, I checked several things. .... but to be honest ... it never occurred to me to check it had scart sockets. I presumed it would. I recognise that makes me careless .. but I sort of presmed all TV's still come with at least one scart socket.
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Although I always thought scart was a poor design the fact remains there is a hell of a lot of scart only devices from very recent time still in use & some still in the shops being sold.
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it is in the interests of tv manufacturers to make your dvd player, hard disk recorder or whatever, obsolete because the also sell those things.
that is the reason they don't include scart sockets. this is so blindingly obviously true it is very difficult to imagine why you can not see it. ![]() So you imagine ALL TV manufacturers have got together and conspired to make sets with only a single SCART?, you don't think some of them would produce sets with multiple SCART's and outsell all their rivals?. There might still be an odd TV with two SCART's?, but they don't sell any better - and the next model will almost certainly have dropped to one. |
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You must be easily confused? - adding extra SCART sockets increases the price of the TV - so most people will buy cheaper TV's that only have one SCART.
Seems pretty simple and obvious to me?. No doubt people here are going to say that they would happily pay extra for more SCART's, but people always claim that - but in practice they then buy the cheaper set. Most people do not use optical outputs. Most people do not need 4 HDMI ports. Most people don't use the headphone socket. Most people own products with scart. You really are out of touch but are a dream customer if you really have dumped all your scart stuff for the latest super duper. |
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When I bought my Panny last week, I checked several things. .... but to be honest ... it never occurred to me to check it had scart sockets. I presumed it would. I recognise that makes me careless .. but I sort of presmed all TV's still come with at least one scart socket.
Quite a few now as well provide a SCART adaptor, with a custom plug and a short lead to a flying SCART socket, to save space on the back of the TV (another reason for the demise of SCART, it takes lot's of space). |
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You are confused.
Most people do not use optical outputs. Most people do not need 4 HDMI ports. Most people don't use the headphone socket. Most people own products with scart. You really are out of touch but are a dream customer if you really have dumped all your scart stuff for the latest super duper. ![]() You also seem to be of the opinion that I'm promoting the demise of SCART? - I'm simply telling people how it is, SCART is all but dead and gone - I'd much rather have at least two SCART's on all TV's. But it's not going to happen - that's not the way the market has moved. |
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I haven't dumped anything - I have ONE item connected via SCART at one, and that's a Tesco's HD Freeview box
![]() You also seem to be of the opinion that I'm promoting the demise of SCART? - I'm simply telling people how it is, SCART is all but dead and gone - I'd much rather have at least two SCART's on all TV's. But it's not going to happen - that's not the way the market has moved. You said You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well which is simply rediculous. |
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
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Scarey scarty
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
If you've just bought a new TV you shouldn't be looking at buying anything to go with it unless it has HDMI. A big problem is Sky HD boxes - with a Sky+ box you can connect it via the single SCART, and loop your DVD player through the VCR socket on the Sky box. Unfortunately it doesn't loop out through the HDMI socket on an HD box, which would be a nice solution if it did. |
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If you've just bought a new TV you shouldn't be looking at buying anything to go with it unless it has HDMI.
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You shouldn't be using a large number of legacy boxes you should upgrade those as well.
Stop trying to change the subject and fess up. It was an idiotic thing to say ..... yes?
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If scart is all but dead and gone then UK should mandate no new scart-only devices to be sold in UK from 2013.
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I don't think the lack of scart sockets on new tv's has got much to do with cost.
More likely, it's that everyone strives for tv's to be so slim now, there's physically not enough room. Which is why you get those non standard "scart" sockets with an adaptor lead supplied. And as for customers. My perception is most of them don't have a clue what they are buying. It's only when they call an independent guy like me to connect it all up for them (usually because they have tried and failed) that they realise their shiny new tv does not have all the sockets they need. Then then end up with a horrible scart switching box, or they trudge off back to the shops in a huff to buy a blue ray player with hdmi, when they were perfectly happy with their old dvd player with a scart socket. |
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I really don't see much excuse for not adding at least one more scart adapter socket. Negligible cost or space taken.
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I really don't see much excuse for not adding at least one more scart adapter socket. Negligible cost or space taken.
There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?. You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs). |
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Most new TVs seem to have one scart socket and at least one set of RGB/phono inputs. Surely that is enough analogue connections in this day and age for the vast majority of people?
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Nothing is negligible - it would increase the price of the set, and mean that people wouldn't buy them.
There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?. You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs). How much do you believe the extra socket would cost to add? |
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Nothing is negligible - it would increase the price of the set, and mean that people wouldn't buy them.
There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?. You may say yes - but all the manufacturers would disagree with you - they haven't arbitrarily and suddenly dropped the number of SCART's, it's been a gradual progression from one HDMI and three SCART's to now one SCART and four HDMI's (fairly common sort of specs). |
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How much do you believe the extra socket would cost to add?
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I would only start complaining if and when new TV sets offered *no* option for connecting analogue inputs. At the moment my sources are roughly 50/50 analogue/digital.
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There's also, fairly obviously, a reasonable limit as to how many AV inputs you want to scroll through on a TV - so would you suggest they drop an HDMI, and replace it with a SCART?.
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I've no idea - but when a single resistor is considered worth saving by a manufacturer, SCART sockets, IC's and all the other components needed for SCART inputs would be fairly substantial.
Can't believe the costs are that substantial, scart has been mass produced for years, manufacturers will surely be paying peanuts. I've seen 75ohm resistors on the net priced at £2 per 100 (0.02p per unit), not the ones used I'm sure, but I can't see manufactures paying substantially more for something so mass produced. |
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I've no idea - but when a single resistor is considered worth saving by a manufacturer, SCART sockets, IC's and all the other components needed for SCART inputs would be fairly substantial.
You've made my point. You have very strong opinions loudly expressed about things you know absolutely nothing about. Sadly, marketing is something that all non-marketing people are experts in. You have no idea how many potential customers have one or less scart boxes (so no idea how many potential customers currently have more than one box they want to connect to their new TV); no idea what extra market would be gained by having one or more extra sockets for scart; no idea how much they would cost to add; but need none of this information to firmly conclude it wouldn't be profitable for them to provide. Let's not have total ignorance on a subject preclude us arguing about it ...... |
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