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Old 03-12-2012, 21:36
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Okay, I give up, on both rwebster's and Sherlock's! What is it? (Unless you guys want to keep at it, of course.)
Final hint: Look at the records of the winner in each series.
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Old 03-12-2012, 22:16
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Okay, I've got it! And it's so obvious now. It's:

Spoiler


I guess it goes to show I'm a lot better at making up these than doing them! Any luck with rwebster's yet?
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Old 08-12-2012, 21:11
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I still need help with rwebster's! And I've come up with an interesting one myself, let's see how people do with this:

Series 1:
James Max.
Raj Dhonota.
Sebastian Schrimpff.

Series 2:
Paul Tulip.
Sharon McAllister.
Mani Sandher.

Series 3:
Jadine Johnson.

Series 4:
Lee McQueen.
Claire Young.
Alex Wotherspoon.
Michael Sophocles.

Series 5:
Yasmina Siadatan.
Kate Walsh.
Mona Lewis.
Philip Taylor.
Noorul Choudhury.

Junior Apprentice Series 1:
Kirsty Cleaver.
Hannah Cherry.

Series 6:
Stella English.
Chris Bates.
Joanna Riley.
Stuart Baggs.
Liz Locke.
Melissa Cohen.

Series 7:
Helen Milligan.
Natasha Scribbins.
Glenn Ward.

Young Apprentice Series 2:
Zara Brownless.
James McCullagh.

Series 8:
Ricky Martin.
Nick Holzherr.
Jade Nash.
Duane Bryan.

Young Apprentice Series 3 (to date):
Navdeep Bual.
David Odhiambo.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:49
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Aha! I like yours, Sherlock. Good work George!

I'll have an in-depth look at your new one in a sec, in the meantime, if anyone wants a hint on mine...

Spoiler


Also, the following people now belong on the list:

Alice Smith
David Odhiambo
Navdeep Bual

ETA: Off the top of my head, George, I'm pretty sure yours all won as project managers at least once. Not much, and I'd need to double check, but it's something to go on.

ETA-2: Did they all win the last time they PMed?
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:38
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ETA-2: Did they all win the last time they PMed?
I don't think so. Tom Gearing won the last time he PMed and he isn't on that list. As did Gabrielle Omar.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:04
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ETA: Off the top of my head, George, I'm pretty sure yours all won as project managers at least once. Not much, and I'd need to double check, but it's something to go on.

ETA-2: Did they all win the last time they PMed?
The first point is relevant. The second point isn't.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:06
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Arg! Yes, you're right, of course you are. And Edna.

Alright, maybe they left the competition within two weeks of a winning PMship? But Kate Walsh didn't.

Right. Back to the drawing board.

EDIT:

The first point is relevant. The second point isn't.
Aha! Thanks.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:08
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In the meantime, if anyone wants a hint on mine...

Spoiler


Also, the following people now belong on the list:

Alice Smith
David Odhiambo
Navdeep Bual
Hmm... in terms of your one, rwebster, none of the candidates on the list made it to interviews, meaning its probably something to do with people being fired.

I'm going to quote your one, just so I don't have to keep going backwards and forwards all the time!

S1
Rachel Groves
Sebastian Schrimpff
Raj Dhonota
Miriam Staley

S2
Alexa Tilley
Mani Sandher
Samuel Judah
Sharon McAllister

S3
Andy Jackson
Dr. Sophie Kain (Quantum Physicist)
Natalie Wood
Paul Callaghan
Adam Hosker
Naomi Lay

S4
Jenny Celerier
Jennifer Maguire
Sara Dhada

S5
Paula Jones
Philip Taylor
Mona Lewis
Howard Ebison

S6
Shibby Robati
Melissa Cohen
Alex Epstein
Sandeesh Samra

S7
Felicity Jackson
Ellie Reed
Glenn Ward
Zoe Beresford
Melody Hossaini

S8
Duane Bryan
Katie Wright
Laura Hogg
Stephen Brady

JA
(Adam Eliaz)
Hannah Cherry

YA
Hannah Richards
Hayley Forrester
Harry Hitchens
Harry Maxwell
Haya Al Dlame
EDIT:

Hmm... If its telling that Andy is the only one to be fired in the first few weeks, then its probably because that year was the only one to have mixed teams at the start. So its something to do with being fired once mixed teams have begun.

I'm still missing something though.
Series 4 is catching my eye as only three people fired are on that list and they are all women.

Am I on the right track, rwebster?
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:21
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I think I have it! (Although I haven't checked all of them, just the first couple of series.) Is it:

Spoiler


Sorry, TXF0429, it was your comment that led me to that, so that should really have been your triumph, not mine. But...

Spoiler
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:31
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I've got quite a hard one:

Series 1

Adenike Ogundoyin
Adele Lock
Raj Dhonota

Series 2

Mani Sandher
Samuel Judah
Sharon McAllister
Tuan Le

Series 3

Natalie Wood
Adam Hosker
Naomi Lay

Series 4

Nicholas de Lacy-Brown
Lindi Mngaza
Jenny Celerier
Jennifer Maguire
Michael Sophocles

Series 5

Rocky Andrews
Kimberly Davis
Mona Lewis
Howard Ebison

Series 6

Joy Stefanicki
Melissa Cohen
Christopher Farrell

Series 7

Gavin Winstanley
Edna Agbahra
Glenn Ward
Leon Doyle
Zoe Beresford
Natasha Scribbins

Series 8

Bilyana Apostolova
Jane McEvoy
Duane Bryan
Azhar Siddique
Laura Hogg
Jenna Whittingham
Gabrielle Omar
Stephen Brady
Adam Corbally

Junior Apprentice

Rhys Rosser
Hannah Cherry
Emma Walker

YA Series 2

Lewis Roman
Gbemi Okunlola
Harry Hitchens
Harry Maxwell
Lizzie Magee
Haya Al-Dlame

YA Series 3*

Max Grodecki
Sean Spooner
David Odhiambo
Navdeep Bual

*Yet to be confirmed

Highlighted ones follow the rule more than non-highlighted ones. I wouldn't look at Young Apprentice Series 3 yet as it could be wrong. Good Luck!
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:34
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I think I have it! (Although I haven't checked all of them, just the first couple of series.) Is it:

Spoiler


Sorry, TXF0429, it was your comment that led me to that, so that should really have been your triumph, not mine. But...

Spoiler
Haha, its OK.

Its so obvious now!

The only thing is, rwebster, that Haya, Harry M and Harry H were all fired on their original teams. It seems as though you got the teams mixed up for that week.
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Old 10-12-2012, 17:29
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Yes! That's it, spot on, great work you two!! Fired under the wrong name. As for Haya, Harry M, Harry H - d'oh! Tricky one to compile. Sorry if that threw anyone off the scent, I thought I'd double checked all of them, but I guess one must've slipped past the net. That would've been the last series I checked, and I'd spent a long time going "Right, so Ignite's originally the girls' team, so that means... wait, no..." Surprised my brain didn't frazzle sooner!

Gimme a bit, I'll catch up on the latest.

Series 4 is catching my eye as only three people fired are on that list and they are all women.
Renaissance was very unsuccessful, and that was the boys team, so - yes! Only a couple of Alpha firings, happened to always be women. Totally on the right track.
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Old 10-12-2012, 17:37
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Right, based on this, here's my latest guess. Just a guess, not checked against any tables, but between "something else that helped you get it quickly," and with Duane and Helen being among the candidates...

Spoiler
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Old 10-12-2012, 18:41
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Right, based on this, here's my latest guess. Just a guess, not checked against any tables, but between "something else that helped you get it quickly," and with Duane and Helen being among the candidates...

Spoiler
I think it could well be that... Or
Spoiler


What do people think of mine?
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Old 10-12-2012, 19:21
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Not sure on yours, yet! Current line of thought - trying to think how some candidates could've especially followed the rule. Young Apprentice 3 is probably the clue, despite its unreliability, because it hints that it might be something we can't know for sure until a series is over.

Also, there are no winners, no interviewees, but all four members of the YA2 boardroom carnage hour followed the rule. In multiple firings, it looks like either all the fired candidates or none of the fired candidates fit the rule. Both Jennies in the fourth series, Gabrielle and Stephen in the eighth, but no sign of Ifti or Rory, Vincent or Ellie.

These are the things I have noticed.

EDIT: Ooh! I think I've got it.

Spoiler
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Old 10-12-2012, 20:23
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Not sure on yours, yet! Current line of thought - trying to think how some candidates could've especially followed the rule. Young Apprentice 3 is probably the clue, despite its unreliability, because it hints that it might be something we can't know for sure until a series is over.

Also, there are no winners, no interviewees, but all four members of the YA2 boardroom carnage hour followed the rule. In multiple firings, it looks like either all the fired candidates or none of the fired candidates fit the rule. Both Jennies in the fourth series, Gabrielle and Stephen in the eighth, but no sign of Ifti or Rory, Vincent or Ellie.

These are the things I have noticed.

EDIT: Ooh! I think I've got it.

Spoiler
Well done! That was bang on.

I'll think of another one later.
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Old 10-12-2012, 20:31
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Well done, TXF0429! And well done on mine as well... you were right, by the way.

Here's an easier one. Someone will get this quickly, I'm sure. What do the following episodes all have in common?

Series 1, Episode 1.
Series 3, Episode 10.
Series 6, Episode 8.
Series 8, Episode 9.
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:11
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Here's an easier one. Someone will get this quickly, I'm sure. What do the following episodes all have in common?

Series 1, Episode 1.
Series 3, Episode 10.
Series 6, Episode 8.
Series 8, Episode 9.
The ultimate final two went head to head as PMs. I had worked this out in the past though, so that's how I knew it!

Erm, how about these candidates
I think this one is a difficult one, but we'll see:

Series 1

Adele Lock
Paul Torrisi
Raj Dhonota
James Max

Series 2

Samuel Judah
Jo Cameron
Alexa Tilley
Ruth Badger
Tuan Le
Syed Ahmed

Series 3

Tre Azam
Natalie Wood
Lohit Kalburgi
Adam Hosker
Ghazal Asif
Katie Hopkins

Series 4

Raef Bjayou
Simon Smith
Claire Young
Michael Sophocles

Series 5

James McQuillan
Philip Taylor

Series 6

Alex Epstein
Sandeesh Samra
Chris Bates
Jamie Lester

Series 7

Leon Doyle
Zoe Beresford
Susan Ma
Melody Hossaini
Helen Milligan

Series 8

Tom Gearing
Stephen Brady
Ricky Martin

Junior Apprentice

Zoe Plummer
Tim Ankers
Kirsty Cleaver

Young Apprentice Series 2

No-one

Young Apprentice Series 3*

David Odhiambo
Navdeep Bual
Andrew Tindall

*to date

As ever, bold means the rule applies more to these candidates. I have a clue on hand in case anyone is struggling.

Good luck!
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:35
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The ultimate final two went head to head as PMs. I had worked this out in the past though, so that's how I knew it!

Erm, how about these candidates
I think this one is a difficult one, but we'll see:

Series 1

Adele Lock
Paul Torrisi
Raj Dhonota
James Max

Series 2

Samuel Judah
Jo Cameron
Alexa Tilley
Ruth Badger
Tuan Le
Syed Ahmed

Series 3

Tre Azam
Natalie Wood
Lohit Kalburgi
Adam Hosker
Ghazal Asif
Katie Hopkins

Series 4

Raef Bjayou
Simon Smith
Claire Young
Michael Sophocles

Series 5

James McQuillan
Philip Taylor

Series 6

Alex Epstein
Sandeesh Samra
Chris Bates
Jamie Lester

Series 7

Leon Doyle
Zoe Beresford
Susan Ma
Melody Hossaini
Helen Milligan

Series 8

Tom Gearing
Stephen Brady
Ricky Martin

Junior Apprentice

Zoe Plummer
Tim Ankers
Kirsty Cleaver

Young Apprentice Series 2

No-one

Young Apprentice Series 3*

David Odhiambo
Navdeep Bual
Andrew Tindall

*to date

As ever, bold means the rule applies more to these candidates. I have a clue on hand in case anyone is struggling.

Good luck!
Is the order relevant, or just random?
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:46
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Is the order relevant, or just random?
Ahaha, you've stumbled onto the clue!

Yes the order is indeed relevant.
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:01
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I think I have it. Is it:

Spoiler


If I'm right, I didn't think it was that hard. After all, I've found some of the others a lot harder... maybe that's just me.
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:08
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I think I have it. Is it:

Spoiler


If I'm right, I didn't think it was that hard. After all, I've found some of the others a lot harder... maybe that's just me.
Yeah, I'm going to stop saying that, considering people get it so quickly. I just thought it would be hard when I was writing it.

You're right of course. What's the significance of the order?
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:15
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Yeah, I'm going to stop saying that, considering people get it so quickly. I just thought it would be hard when I was writing it.

You're right of course. What's the significance of the order?
Well, it's the order that it occurred in the series. Sorry, I thought that was obvious, that's why I didn't say.

Okay, here's a new one. I think this is quite a hard one, although as we have just seen, you can never be quite sure:

Series 1:
Rachel Groves.
Matthew Palmer.

Series 2:
Samuel Judah.
Mani Sandher.
Alexa Tilley.
Karen Bremner.
Nargis Ara.

Series 3:
Natalie Wood.
Sophie Kain.
Gerri Blackwood.
Rory Laing.
Ifti Chaudhri.

Series 4:
Simon Smith.
Ian Stringer.
Shazia Wahab.

Series 5:
Paula Jones.
Majid Nagra.
Rocky Andrews.

Junior Apprentice Series 1:
Arjun Rajyagor.
Hannah Cherry.
Rhys Rosser.
Adam Eliaz.
Hibah Ansary.

Series 6:
Alex Epstein.
Shibby Robati.
Joy Stefanicki.

Series 7:
Glenn Ward.
Edna Agbarha.
Ellie Reed.
Felicity Jackson.

Young Apprentice Series 2:
Harry Hitchens.
Lizzie Magee.
Hannah Richards.

Series 8:
Katie Wright.
Duane Bryan.
Jane McEvoy.
Michael Copp.

Young Apprentice Series 3 (to date):
David Odhiambo.
Alice Smith.
Amy Corrigan.
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Old 11-12-2012, 13:53
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Well, it's the order that it occurred in the series. Sorry, I thought that was obvious, that's why I didn't say.
Sorry George. What happened was that I should have written them in the order they got fired to make it less obvious. Without the order, I'm convinced that it would have been harder than it was. When I was writing it, it did seem as though it wouldn't be obvious, but thinking about it, it was obvious with the order.

Sorry!
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Old 11-12-2012, 15:05
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Sorry George. What happened was that I should have written them in the order they got fired to make it less obvious. Without the order, I'm convinced that it would have been harder than it was. When I was writing it, it did seem as though it wouldn't be obvious, but thinking about it, it was obvious with the order.

Sorry!
It's fine! How are you doing with mine?
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