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Old 20-10-2012, 10:03
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IMO he has one redeeming quality about him which will never change. He would kill/murder/blackmail/steal/lie if he had to for Debbie. He has always been in her corner, whatever she has done, hasn't he? He would kill Cameron if he could just because Cameron hurt his daughter.

And he hasn't been as annoying about is as Chas was about Aaron.
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:05
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Your right, just like any father should be about his daughter.
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:13
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you can also see Debbie`s side you can see that he wants to seriously hurt Cameron has done for moths but he`d only end up in prison . Cain is someone you dont want to get on the wrong side of ever love that side of him .
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:33
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Cain's loyalty to Debbie is unquestionable, I suspect he sees himself in Debbie hence the unbreakable bond he feels.

She's her father's daughter alright - sullen, cold, moody, self-centred, bullying, single-minded, ruthless - with no real love or affection for anybody bar her kid/s.

She is him & he is her.
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:34
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IMO he has one redeeming quality about him which will never change. He would kill/murder/blackmail/steal/lie if he had to for Debbie. He has always been in her corner, whatever she has done, hasn't he? He would kill Cameron if he could just because Cameron hurt his daughter.
This is why I love Cain. He's my favourite soap character of all time and definately the sexiest. I've been known to rewind many of his scenes
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:41
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Cain's loyalty to Debbie is unquestionable, I suspect he sees himself in Debbie hence the unbreakable bond he feels.

She's her father's daughter alright - sullen, cold, moody, self-centred, bullying, single-minded, ruthless - with no real love or affection for anybody bar her kid/s.

She is him & he is her.

this brilliantly put
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:43
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Cain's loyalty to Debbie is unquestionable, I suspect he sees himself in Debbie hence the unbreakable bond he feels.

She's her father's daughter alright - sullen, cold, moody, self-centred, bullying, single-minded, ruthless - with no real love or affection for anybody bar her kid/s.

She is him & he is her.
They love other people too, but are not good at showing it.
But they do have the back of the people they love.
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:45
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this brilliantly put
Lol ... cheers Lee!!
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Old 20-10-2012, 10:52
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I don't understand why he is devoted to Debbie but never gave a damn about his son.
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Old 20-10-2012, 11:12
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I don't understand why he is devoted to Debbie but never gave a damn about his son.
Zak questionned this himself during the judgement day episodes. He came to the conclusion that it's because Debbie is Charity's daughter. It hit a nerve with Cain.

Kyle is Amy's son. He doesn't give a stuff about Amy. He doesn't give a stuff about her kid.
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Old 20-10-2012, 11:13
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Cain is no father of the year. Instead of supporting his daughter when she had to deal with her daughter's illness he was on a mission to hurt everybody in the village. When Debbie needed her mother, he pinned her against Charity by claiming Jai had attacked him.

Didn't Cain sleep with his daughter's girlfriend?

I am a bit tired of ED selective memory. Chas was wrong to have an affair with Cameron. Cain is understandably angry but if I were her I wouldn't let myself be bullied and lectured by that bunch of hypocrites. Cain enjoyed destroying the Barton family. He slept with John's wife then told her husband, insulted and tormented him and also teased the Barton kids. So with a track record like his Cain should take a look at the mirror.

Now Debbie love, if he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. Karma.

As far as I am concerned I hope Chas tells them to go f**k themselves. Nobody in the village is in a position to judge her.
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Old 20-10-2012, 11:27
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Cain is no father of the year. Instead of supporting his daughter when she had to deal with her daughter's illness he was on a mission to hurt everybody in the village. When Debbie needed her mother, he pinned her against Charity by claiming Jai had attacked him.

Didn't Cain sleep with his daughter's girlfriend?

I am a bit tired of ED selective memory. Chas was wrong to have an affair with Cameron. Cain is understandably angry but if I were her I wouldn't let myself be bullied and lectured by that bunch of hypocrites. Cain enjoyed destroying the Barton family. He slept with John's wife then told her husband, insulted and tormented him and also teased the Barton kids. So with a track record like his Cain should take a look at the mirror.

Now Debbie love, if he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. Karma.

As far as I am concerned I hope Chas tells them to go f**k themselves. Nobody in the village is in a position to judge her.
yeah but chas did it within the family, that IS alot worse then with someone outside the family.
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Old 20-10-2012, 11:40
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yeah but chas did it within the family, that IS alot worse then with someone outside the family.
To me it doesn't make any difference. The Bartons also were a family,John Barton also loved his daughters but Cain didn't give a toss about who he was hurting.

Cain just come across as a big hypocrite who loves to hurt people but can't stand when someone hurt a member of his own family. Cain can dish it out but can't take it.

Let's not forget that Cain slept with his daughter's girlfriend.

I have no sympathy for Cain and Debbie (or Chas). They are hypocrite gobshite Dingles who think they have a god given right to cheat, steal and wreck families but they get all holier-than-thou when they get a taste of their own medicine.
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Old 20-10-2012, 11:58
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Well, as other people have said, except for that period of time he tried to utterly destroy his daughter by splitting her and Jas up... (all because she didn't want Sarah as I recall)

Cain has few redeeming features, but he's good fun to watch
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Old 20-10-2012, 12:02
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Isn't everybody a hypocrite when it comes to the people they love? What do you expect Cain to say? "Oh, I contributed to the break up of Moira's marriage so I can't be angry about Chas doing the same to Debbie"? That's not how it works.
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Old 20-10-2012, 12:09
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I agree very much with Lola's posts. What I despise about these 'family' men like Phil Mitchell in EE is their incapability to see the one's they massively hurt as being a member of somebody's family. They use the line drawn between their family and everyone else as an excuse to hurt and destroy as much as they like and it doesn't matter a toss because it's nothing to do with their family.

They manage to do this and not even see the hurt they are causing their own family because they have this warped line drawn in their head. In this instance Cain's line is so warped he's ended up despising his own son and the mother of him in order to keep close to him someone he basically fancies and just so happens to be the mother of his daughter. He 'protects' Debbie like he does which is a pretty suspect protection anyway because of who her mother is, that's not fatherly devotion.
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Old 20-10-2012, 13:41
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To me it doesn't make any difference. The Bartons also were a family,John Barton also loved his daughters but Cain didn't give a toss about who he was hurting.

Cain just come across as a big hypocrite who loves to hurt people but can't stand when someone hurt a member of his own family. Cain can dish it out but can't take it.

Let's not forget that Cain slept with his daughter's girlfriend.

I have no sympathy for Cain and Debbie (or Chas). They are hypocrite gobshite Dingles who think they have a god given right to cheat, steal and wreck families but they get all holier-than-thou when they get a taste of their own medicine.
So can Debbie. Cameron was a married man with children when they got together. Chas has only done to her what she did to Cameron's wife.
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Old 20-10-2012, 13:48
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I don't understand why he is devoted to Debbie but never gave a damn about his son.
Me neither!

Cain is no father of the year. Instead of supporting his daughter when she had to deal with her daughter's illness he was on a mission to hurt everybody in the village. When Debbie needed her mother, he pinned her against Charity by claiming Jai had attacked him.

Didn't Cain sleep with his daughter's girlfriend?

I am a bit tired of ED selective memory. Chas was wrong to have an affair with Cameron. Cain is understandably angry but if I were her I wouldn't let myself be bullied and lectured by that bunch of hypocrites. Cain enjoyed destroying the Barton family. He slept with John's wife then told her husband, insulted and tormented him and also teased the Barton kids. So with a track record like his Cain should take a look at the mirror.

Now Debbie love, if he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. Karma.

As far as I am concerned I hope Chas tells them to go f**k themselves. Nobody in the village is in a position to judge her.
To me it doesn't make any difference. The Bartons also were a family,John Barton also loved his daughters but Cain didn't give a toss about who he was hurting.

Cain just come across as a big hypocrite who loves to hurt people but can't stand when someone hurt a member of his own family. Cain can dish it out but can't take it.

Let's not forget that Cain slept with his daughter's girlfriend.

I have no sympathy for Cain and Debbie (or Chas). They are hypocrite gobshite Dingles who think they have a god given right to cheat, steal and wreck families but they get all holier-than-thou when they get a taste of their own medicine.
Brilliantly put couldnt agree more!
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:04
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Zak questionned this himself during the judgement day episodes. He came to the conclusion that it's because Debbie is Charity's daughter. It hit a nerve with Cain.

Kyle is Amy's son. He doesn't give a stuff about Amy. He doesn't give a stuff about her kid.
I could buy this, however, Cain didn't give a stuff about Jasmine either, yet he was devastated/furious when she secretly aborted their baby. He wanted to be a Dad to that baby (despite all of the tension it would cause with Debbie), so why not Amy's? It was just bad writing and OOC from Cain.
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:06
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Cain delivered my favourite ever soap scene. It was on or around 'Judgement Day' when he walked into the pub and insulted the customers by pointing at them one after the other and calling them a name. It was just like a cowboy in an old western walking into the saloon with his six shooter and opening fire.
It was something like Slag - to Moira, Tax Evader - to Pollard, Rapist for a son - to Pearl, Did her husband's brother - to Katie. Can't remember the others.
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:09
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Cain being a father is mixed

hes a good dad to Debbie & a good granddad to sarah,always have got both there backs & will come running when needed.But at the same time couldnt give a crap about baby kyle,Im not sure if cain even saw Kyle before amy gave him up
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:10
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I defo would .........
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:17
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I have never seen Cain hurt anyone that was not weaker than him in some way. Also the hypocrisy of the Dingles is very annoying. Charity seems to have forgotten that Debbie stopped her wedding after having an affair with her fiance
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:28
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Cain is no father of the year. Instead of supporting his daughter when she had to deal with her daughter's illness he was on a mission to hurt everybody in the village. When Debbie needed her mother, he pinned her against Charity by claiming Jai had attacked him.

Didn't Cain sleep with his daughter's girlfriend?

I am a bit tired of ED selective memory. Chas was wrong to have an affair with Cameron. Cain is understandably angry but if I were her I wouldn't let myself be bullied and lectured by that bunch of hypocrites. Cain enjoyed destroying the Barton family. He slept with John's wife then told her husband, insulted and tormented him and also teased the Barton kids. So with a track record like his Cain should take a look at the mirror.

Now Debbie love, if he cheated with you, he'll cheat on you. Karma.

As far as I am concerned I hope Chas tells them to go f**k themselves. Nobody in the village is in a position to judge her.
I. Love. This. Post.

Chas should be the first one to tell Cain that she only did what HE did when Debbie was with Jasmine! And your dad sleeping with your partner is a bit worse than your aunty IMO. And Debbie started an affair with Cameron when HE was still married with kids so has no room to talk. OK, she left to avoid splitting up a family but when he turned up in ED she capitulated for what seemed like 5 mins before falling into his arms! You reap what you sow kid. And as for Charity - she's never given a stuff who she's stepped on to get what she's wanted so is no moral compass either.

Chas was wrong, no doubt about that, but at least it was real love on her part and not just spite like Cain. She fell for the wrong man and should have left well alone but she's not the first to make a mistake like this and won't be the last.

Cain delivered my favourite ever soap scene. It was on or around 'Judgement Day' when he walked into the pub and insulted the customers by pointing at them one after the other and calling them a name. It was just like a cowboy in an old western walking into the saloon with his six shooter and opening fire.
It was something like Slag - to Moira, Tax Evader - to Pollard, Rapist for a son - to Pearl, Did her husband's brother - to Katie. Can't remember the others.
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That was brilliant was't it

Cain being a father is mixed

hes a good dad to Debbie & a good granddad to sarah,always have got both there backs & will come running when needed.But at the same time couldnt give a crap about baby kyle,Im not sure if cain even saw Kyle before amy gave him up
Like another poster said: Debbie is to the love of his life, she's his forever connection to Charity. Amy was just a one night stand who put herself on a plate for him and who he doesn't give a sh!t about. I've always liked the character of Cain (it's good to boo and hiss at a baddie ) but I actually hated him when he said to Amy that "some kids are more important than others" - what a bastard He's a bit warped but how many men have we known or heard about who pretty much drop one set of kids (usually the first) when they have some more with another woman who they happen to be in love with at that time? Or urge their pregnant mistresses to 'get rid' in case their wives find out? Unfortunately Cain isn't all that unusual.

I defo would .........
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Can't wait to see 'angry' Cain next week! Phwoooarrrr!
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Old 20-10-2012, 14:36
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I could buy this, however, Cain didn't give a stuff about Jasmine either, yet he was devastated/furious when she secretly aborted their baby. He wanted to be a Dad to that baby (despite all of the tension it would cause with Debbie), so why not Amy's? It was just bad writing and OOC from Cain.
I didn't remember that. I guess the writer's didn't either.


Cain version 2 is a little bit different from original version Cain I think. I mean the OP says that Cain has always been in Debbie's corner but that definitely wasn't true in Cain's original stint. He was pretty awful to her a lot of the time, especially when he found out about Andy and then when she gave away Sarah.

I have never seen Cain hurt anyone that was not weaker than him in some way. Also the hypocrisy of the Dingles is very annoying. Charity seems to have forgotten that Debbie stopped her wedding after having an affair with her fiance
To be fair, Debbie didn't know she was sleeping with Charity's fiance. The Cain/Debbie/Charity dynamic is just uniquely twisted though. Debbie has always been desperate to keep Charity and Cain in her life so she will put up with their messed up crap. Chas isn't part of that dysfunctional little family unit though.
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