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Elementary - UK Pace - No Spoilers Please
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MoreTears
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“And to be fair the America you see on American TV is usually Canada. ”

Definitely not "usually," but certainly "often enough."
Rorschach
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“Definitely not "usually," but certainly "often enough."”

It depends on the type of American TV you watch, if your taste is mostly for the sci-fi/fantasy genre (rather than say, reality TV) then I'll stick with "usually".
Stansfield
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“So "early?" It is the end of the season.

I loved that episode, and the reveal. If people really want fidelity to Conan Doyle I don't know why they would watch Elementary, and I don't know why they would watch the BBC's Sherlock either. The two shows are not afraid to make very big changes to the original Sherlock Holmes material.”

Like setting it in New York...for one thing. For me Elementary beats the BEEB version by a long way, I lasted just one episode with Cumberbatch & Freeman.


Loved last nights episode with the mega reveal at the end: I like this Moriarty.
Watson on her own, I liked too.

Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“What is it with the British moaning -- elsewhere too -- about the "London" on an American TV show not being the real London? Time and money are not infinite in the TV business, especially for a handful of scenes set in a country an ocean away.”

Have you seen Nikita when they go to 'London'.

But I'm sure they are going to film in London for the first two episode of Season 2.
storm818
22-05-2013
Not enjoying this at all and I won't be watching season 2. Nothing about it is Sherlock Holmes, from the lead actor to Watson and now to Irene Adler/Moriarty, nothing is 'right'.

BBC's Sherlock shows how you can adapt a modern version and still make it Sherlock Holmes, it's almost perfect.

Elementary unfortunately is far from it.
00tommo
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“Not enjoying this at all and I won't be watching season 2. Nothing about it is Sherlock Holmes, from the lead actor to Watson and now to Irene Adler/Moriarty, nothing is 'right'.

BBC's Sherlock shows how you can adapt a modern version and still make it Sherlock Holmes, it's almost perfect.

Elementary unfortunately is far from it.”

You've sat through 23 episodes though?
storm818
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by 00tommo:
“You've sat through 23 episodes though?”

Yep cause I like giving any show a proper run before making up my mind. I really wanted to like this too and it started off well, but then it just dragged and dragged and dragged. Will cut my losses after the finale next week.
Verence
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“I am interested in what exactly Moriarties plan was, or whether she was just messing about with Holmes. That said I had an equally difficult time in figuring out Moriarties exact reasoning in Sherlock too. ”

Perhaps back in London she was concerned that Sherlock was getting too close to her professionally speaking so she came up with the whole plan in order to send him off the deep end so she would be able to carry on with her criminal career.
Squiggle
22-05-2013
I rather liked this read.

I understand that UK Viewers did not see the final episode because it is being aired as a two-parter (which it is, only the US aired it as a 2 hour finale). So, there are spoilers galore. I recommend that those who haven't seen the final episode refrain from reading this article until after next week's episode. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!


http://io9.com/elementary-demonstrat...lass-509009246
bingbong
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“Not enjoying this at all and I won't be watching season 2. Nothing about it is Sherlock Holmes, from the lead actor to Watson and now to Irene Adler/Moriarty, nothing is 'right'.

BBC's Sherlock shows how you can adapt a modern version and still make it Sherlock Holmes, it's almost perfect.

Elementary unfortunately is far from it.”

Sherlock did a Heroes for me, the first 2 episodes were brilliant, the third a bit ropey but still good, the next series.......

Elementary has been quirky and fun, its the only new current drama on US network TV that has held my interest ( i was a fan of 666 Park Avenue though ).
Stansfield
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“Yep cause I like giving any show a proper run before making up my mind. I really wanted to like this too and it started off well, but then it just dragged and dragged and dragged. Will cut my losses after the finale next week.”

Wow....

If I'm not hooked in a couple of episode....I'm Out!
bingbong
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by Stansfield:
“Wow....

If I'm not hooked in a couple of episode....I'm Out!”

Normal viewers yes, but the Sherlock fans - eyes bulging,saliva dribbling and sitting in their stained underwear that hasn't been changed in 3 weeks.
storm818
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by bingbong:
“Normal viewers yes, but the Sherlock fans - eyes bulging,saliva dribbling and sitting in their stained underwear that hasn't been changed in 3 weeks.”

...Yes
bingbong
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by storm818:
“...Yes”

I am sharpening my invectives before the new season of Sherlock, There may be some collateral damage.
qwerty21
26-05-2013
I'm a little behind on Elementary but I'm slightly alarmed that last week Sky Living showed Ep23 and this week is Ep24 the season finale which is 2 hours but the second hour doesn't seem to be scheduled anywhere. Does anybody know about this was last week the first part of the season finale?
MoreTears
26-05-2013
Originally Posted by qwerty21:
“I'm a little behind on Elementary but I'm slightly alarmed that last week Sky Living showed Ep23 and this week is Ep24 the season finale which is 2 hours but the second hour doesn't seem to be scheduled anywhere. Does anybody know about this was last week the first part of the season finale?”

Episode 24 is the standard one hour. In the US, episodes 23 and 24 were shown back-to-back and promoted by the network as a "two-hour season finale." US networks do this sort of thing all the time.
qwerty21
26-05-2013
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“Episode 24 is the standard one hour. In the US, episodes 23 and 24 were shown back-to-back and promoted by the network as a "two-hour season finale." US networks do this sort of thing all the time.”

Oh right, thanks
Rollerbabe
29-05-2013
Well I for one really enjoyed that series. A few draggy moments, but generally very entertaining. Looking forward to series 2 now.
mimik1uk
29-05-2013
agreed

always difficult to do something different with such well known and established characters as holmes and Watson but thought this series did a good job

always liked johnny lee miller and thought him and lucy lui worked well together
Rorschach
29-05-2013
Well at the end of the series I'm holding with my earlier opinion.

As a "Sherlock Holmes" show it's nothing special and the likes of the BBC1 show, the RDJ films and of course the classic series all do it better.

However as a police show with a likeable cast, good acting and great chemistry between all involved it does well and I'll continue to watch it.

There was the usual problem in it's run where you think "Is this still on? I thought last week was the last one . God this is an endurance test". But that's usual for me with American showsdue to their large number of episodes, even half hour comedies seem too much at times. I soon get over it though.
Verence
29-05-2013
I know it's just fiction but would Greek really accept Macedonia just calling itself New Macedonia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute
Rorschach
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by Verence:
“I know it's just fiction but would Greek really accept Macedonia just calling itself New Macedonia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute”

possibly yes, after all the Greeks have previously suggested that they would accept "Northern Macedonia" as a name but the Macedonians turned it down. That's the acedonians in Macedonia, not the Macedonians in Greece.

So the use of Macedonia with the addition of another word seems acceptable to them.
Tourista
29-05-2013
Really enjoyed the final episode, and love Natalie Dormer as the evil Moriarty. Also think the writers did a good job in the season ending, as if it hadn't been renewed the show would still have had a "finished" feel to it.....

Only shame was killing off Arnold Vosloo's character, as he would have been a great recurring villain.....
Stansfield
29-05-2013
I hope it's not the last of Moriarty {liked the chat with Watson} we see, she was caught pretty easily last night imo....still a great end to season one, which turned out to be a Gem of a Series.

Loved the bee's at the end too.



"Spirit of the Dambusters-and all that"
Verence
29-05-2013
Originally Posted by Rorschach:
“possibly yes, after all the Greeks have previously suggested that they would accept "Northern Macedonia" as a name but the Macedonians turned it down. That's the acedonians in Macedonia, not the Macedonians in Greece.

So the use of Macedonia with the addition of another word seems acceptable to them.”

But the Greeks could have suggested they woud accept Northern Macedonia knowing full well that the Macedonian would turned it down, thus making themselves look reasonable and the Macedonians pig-headed
Rorschach
29-05-2013
Well they might of yes, but surely the problem is that once they have publicly sowed such willingness (even if they didn't really mean it) they are on shaky footing to turn down a broadly similar suggestion without looking foolish.

These days if a Macedonian suggestion was accompanied by a big financial package to Greece I'm sure any disagreement could be quickly ironed out.
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