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In the closet gay celebs! Who are they? (Part 2)
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seventhwave
20-07-2015
Originally Posted by Cryolemon:
“I can't say it's all that surprising to be honest. Action is one genre where there is an expectation of the male lead being "manly".”

Gay/bi women are stereotyped as manly, but then there's less demand for action films with a female lead anyway - or at least Hollywood thinks so, and is wary of making them. What's the name of that "rule" in movie-making that if your action movie has more than one female character, the more "masculine" of the two is the one that's going to die or at least die first? (Michelle Rodriguez has spoken about this one quite a lot)
Nobby Burton
20-07-2015
I doubt there's many young, female celebrities who haven't dabbled with the same sex on occasion
Cryolemon
20-07-2015
Originally Posted by seventhwave:
“Gay/bi women are stereotyped as manly, but then there's less demand for action films with a female lead anyway - or at least Hollywood thinks so, and is wary of making them. What's the name of that "rule" in movie-making that if your action movie has more than one female character, the more "masculine" of the two is the one that's going to die or at least die first? (Michelle Rodriguez has spoken about this one quite a lot)”

Of course if an action film wants a female lead it tends to be Michelle Rodriguez, which is not exactly helpful.
Conehead
21-07-2015
I knew about Russell Hobbs, but Morphy Richards? Wow.
Hyram Fyram
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“I knew about Russell Hobbs, but Morphy Richards? Wow.”

Neither has many actual dates. They prefer to stay at home with their electrical appliances.
Cryolemon
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by Nobby Burton:
“I doubt there's many young, female celebrities who haven't dabbled with the same sex on occasion”

You could remove the word "celebrities" and still be fairly accurate I would imagine.
docman
26-07-2015
I think the "can't be gay because they have had affairs with the opposite sex" argument is weak. The fact is, numerically bisexual people outnumber gay people. So some of the people being talked about here and rumoured about will be bi. So having a opposite sex dalliance doesn't exclude same sex ones.
Cryolemon
26-07-2015
Originally Posted by docman:
“I think the "can't be gay because they have had affairs with the opposite sex" argument is weak. The fact is, numerically bisexual people outnumber gay people. So some of the people being talked about here and rumoured about will be bi. So having a opposite sex dalliance doesn't exclude same sex ones.”

Do you have a link for that? I've seen it speculated a lot, but never any real proof. You do have a point though that bisexuality does need to be recognised.

I do find it interesting that there was a study a while back that said women were more likely to admit having same sex relationships, but less likely to identify as gay or bi compared to men.
docman
26-07-2015
I've seen survey data. I'll have to dredge up the link.
ellesworth
27-07-2015
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...d-transgender/

It's not a high percentage more (1.8 vs 1.7%)
docman
27-07-2015
Originally Posted by ellesworth:
“http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...d-transgender/

It's not a high percentage more (1.8 vs 1.7%)”

I've seen surveys which suggest approximately 10% of heterosexual men have had same sex encounters.

Figures of LGBT people below 5% are unreliable.
Double Helix
27-07-2015
Originally Posted by Cryolemon:
“I do find it interesting that there was a study a while back that said women were more likely to admit having same sex relationships, but less likely to identify as gay or bi compared to men.”

I read a while back that pychologically, women are far more likely to be naturally bisexual than men. It's not unlikely that with a women's bisexuality being a "normal" state for them (if true), that they would fail to recognise themselves as bisexual or gay. They're likely to see themselves as heterosexuals who like a bit of woman action. I would say, sort yourself out and decide who and what you want, cos you can't be heterosexual and bang the same sex.

Sexuality is just one of the many things in life where many women seem to want to have their cake and eat it. I suspect many of them are just very confused.
Nobby Burton
28-07-2015
Studies suggest that all women have bisexual arousal patterns, even if they are not consciously aware of it

People need to remember that there is not one shred of scientific evidence to suggest that separate sexualities exist. EVERYTHING points to a spectrum.
Cryolemon
28-07-2015
Originally Posted by Nobby Burton:
“Studies suggest that all women have bisexual arousal patterns, even if they are not consciously aware of it

People need to remember that there is not one shred of scientific evidence to suggest that separate sexualities exist. EVERYTHING points to a spectrum.”

Exactly.
wilehelmas
28-07-2015
Originally Posted by Double Helix:
“I read a while back that pychologically, women are far more likely to be naturally bisexual than men. It's not unlikely that with a women's bisexuality being a "normal" state for them (if true), that they would fail to recognise themselves as bisexual or gay. They're likely to see themselves as heterosexuals who like a bit of woman action. I would say, sort yourself out and decide who and what you want, cos you can't be heterosexual and bang the same sex.

Sexuality is just one of the many things in life where many women seem to want to have their cake and eat it. I suspect many of them are just very confused.”

Ooh, you tell 'em, straight, WASP, middle-class, aging male.

And no, I didn't even need to look at your profile to know. Good grief...
sixtynotout
28-07-2015
Originally Posted by Double Helix:
“I get the impression that Queen Takei is being increasingly ignored in the US, especially by Trek fans, many of whom seem to be sick to the back teeth of him and his behaviour since he came out. He used to come across as a decent guy when he was in the closet, but during the last 10 years after telling the world what it already knew, he's become an insufferable ass.”

I thought he came over as a really nice man when he was in I'm a Celebrity.
angelafisher
28-07-2015
Originally Posted by sixtynotout:
“I thought he came over as a really nice man when he was in I'm a Celebrity.”

I thought he did too, and he puts humorous stuff on Facebook that make me smile.
docman
28-07-2015
Originally Posted by Nobby Burton:
“Studies suggest that all women have bisexual arousal patterns, even if they are not consciously aware of it

People need to remember that there is not one shred of scientific evidence to suggest that separate sexualities exist. EVERYTHING points to a spectrum.”

The thng about spectrums is that they have two ends.
Airborae
15-08-2015
Saw JLS's JB Gill yesterday on The Wright Show and thought he came across as a bit camp. I know he has a wife and child, but interesting all the same.
vauxhall1964
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by docman:
“I've seen surveys which suggest approximately 10% of heterosexual men have had same sex encounters.

Figures of LGBT people below 5% are unreliable.”

Nonsense. The NATSAL and ONS surveys are incredibly reliable and neither top 2% (and are in line with similar surveys around the world). And if you don't know what NATSAL and ONS are you really shouldn't be claiming to know anything about the size of the LGBT population.
floog
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“Nonsense. The NATSAL and ONS surveys are incredibly reliable and neither top 2% (and are in line with similar surveys around the world). And if you don't know what NATSAL and ONS are you really shouldn't be claiming to know anything about the size of the LGBT population.”

I was part of the ONS survey and reported that I was heterosexual despite the fact that I'm gay. Most gay people aren't 100% open about their sexuality and will therefore be reluctant to be honest about this matter and will only impart this information truthfully to someone they trust. Generally it's only the stereotypical, camp gays that are truly openly gay and in my experience they only make up about a quarter of the gay community and that's before you consider gay men who don't act on their true feeling at all.

It is incredibly naive to think that conducting a survey of a person's sexuality is going to result in anything other than a gross underrepresentation when it comes to being gay.
Cryolemon
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“Nonsense. The NATSAL and ONS surveys are incredibly reliable and neither top 2% (and are in line with similar surveys around the world). And if you don't know what NATSAL and ONS are you really shouldn't be claiming to know anything about the size of the LGBT population.”

I'm guessing the true number is somewhat higher than 2% and somewhat lower than 10%. As has been said, those surveys rely on people being honest, which I suspect quite a few aren't.
vauxhall1964
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by floog:
“I was part of the ONS survey and reported that I was heterosexual despite the fact that I'm gay. Most gay people aren't 100% open about their sexuality and will therefore be reluctant to be honest about this matter and will only impart this information truthfully to someone they trust. Generally it's only the stereotypical, camp gays that are truly openly gay and in my experience they only make up about a quarter of the gay community and that's before you consider gay men who don't act on their true feeling at all.

It is incredibly naive to think that conducting a survey of a person's sexuality is going to result in anything other than a gross underrepresentation when it comes to being gay.”

Why did you lie in the survey?
vauxhall1964
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by Cryolemon:
“I'm guessing the true number is somewhat higher than 2% and somewhat lower than 10%. As has been said, those surveys rely on people being honest, which I suspect quite a few aren't.”

Why are you "guessing" (and what is this guessing based on?) when numerous robust surveys carried out over many years across the Western world have come up with very similar figures?
Cryolemon
15-08-2015
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“Why are you "guessing" (and what is this guessing based on?) when numerous robust surveys carried out over many years across the Western world have come up with very similar figures?”

Because I don't think self reporting of sexuality is reliable, and some level of gut feeling that the number is higher than 1.5%. As has been shown in this thread, people lie on those surveys (I wouldn't, as it happens). 5% would be the very highest I would suggest is reasonable. 3% is probably more likely.
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