[DS Forum Support]

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Well, it is something worth saying if that 30% is made up entirely of ABC1 viewers or young audiences. If The X Factor lost 30% of its audience you'd look stupid arguing that it was still getting nearly three quarters of the audience. ITV shouldn't be meaningless to 30% of the audience because it's a mainstream free-to-air channel that's supposed to appeal to everyone.

The argument is that 30% of people simply don't think about ITV and one of its problems in recent years is that the audiences for its flagship programmes are all declining and no new ones are coming through. So it needs desperately to get that 30% because it can't rely on the same audience it's always had. And as Dancc says, there is an obvious issue with ITV because people aren't watching their new dramas whereas that doesn't appear to be the case for BBC dramas, so people have clearly lost confidence in the channel and don't trust it, so it needs sorting out.

For my money, ITV under David Liddiment was a great example of a popular TV channel, it had a lot of swagger about it and it did some interesting stuff without alienating its core audience. These days there are clearly issues and it can't afford to be complacent.



Well, it may have given it some structure but it doesn't mean that anybody wanted to watch them, you don't commission tokenistic regional and political programmes just for the sake of it. BBC1 used to have to show religious stuff at 6.40 on a Sunday and now it can be anything and that's not much of a problem, is it? The problem with ITV is that it's been replaced with rubbish but it's clearly not a priority for them.

Speaking of Sunday daytime, mind, I find it very strange that Sunday Politics has now been moved to 11am, just an hour after Andrew Marr has finished which does more or less the same thing.



Yes, absolutely this, I've been saying this for ages and I'm amazed nobody has pointed this out.

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[DS Forum Support]

Originally Posted by D.M.N.

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[Charnham]

I think you screwed up the link, on the previous thread.

[DS Forum Support]

Originally Posted by Charnham

I think you screwed up the link, on the previous thread.

Cheers!

[NeilVW]

Panorama is number 1 most requested on iPlayer - must be a first!

[grahamzxy]

Monday 22nd October 2012 Overnights

BBC One
18:00 BBC News at Six 4.76m
18:30 Regional News and Weather 5.46m
19:00 The One Show 4.00m
21:00 New Tricks 7.42m
22:00 BBC News at Ten 5.49m
22:35 Panorama - What The BBC Knew 5.08m/5.18m

ITV1 inc+1
18:30 ITV News & Weather 4.05m
19:00 Emmerdale 7.89m
19:30 Coronation Street 8.78m
20:00 Little England 3.97m
20:30 Coronation Street 8.10m

ITV2 inc +1
14:35 The Jeremy Kyle Show 677,000

BBC 3
21:00 Girls Behind Bars: Stacey Dooley in the USA 619,000
23:00 Family Guy 578,000
23:25 Family Guy 594,000

BBC 4
20:30 Only Connect 995,000

Sky 1
20:00 Arrow 888,000

E4 inc +1
18:00 The Big Bang Theory 606,000
18:30 The Big Bang Theory 702,000
19:00 Hollyoaks 595,000
21:00 Revenge 583,000

http://www.attentional.com/screenwatch/
http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/inside-itv...ondays-Ratings

[Brekkie]

I suspect in time things will be mis-remembered and Panorama credited with exposing the Jimmy Saville scandal full stop. I do wonder though whether 10.35pm on Mondays could eventually end up being it's more permanent home - it's not doing brilliantly at 8.30pm against Corrie and with cut backs after the news it could be a useful filler for half an hour and allow the programme to tackle grittier subjects which they may shy away from pre-watershed.

[iaindb]

Panorama is currently number 1 on iPlayer. Programme is illustrating with a photograph of JS which, in light of all the revelations, now looks creepy.

[grahamzxy]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

I suspect in time things will be mis-remembered and Panorama credited with exposing the Jimmy Saville scandal full stop. I do wonder though whether 10.35pm on Mondays could eventually end up being it's more permanent home - it's not doing brilliantly at 8.30pm against Corrie and with cut backs after the news it could be a useful filler for half an hour and allow the programme to tackle grittier subjects which they may shy away from pre-watershed.

I think we all know the Newsnight research 'broke' the story, ITV1 Tonight jumped on it, Panorama came clean about it - we can only hope nobody else was implicated, if their was indeed a TOTP 'paedophile ring' as claimed - this investigation could drag on for years more.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by iaindb

with a photograph of JS which, in light of all the revelations, now looks creepy.

Would this one have been better? http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/q...lbum/peado.png The bbc put that shot in the tribute programme!

[square_eyes]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

I suspect in time things will be mis-remembered and Panorama credited with exposing the Jimmy Saville scandal full stop.

I think it will go down as ITV1's 'Scoop of the Year'.

[Agent F]

Originally Posted by iaindb

Panorama is currently number 1 on iPlayer. Programme is illustrating with a photograph of JS which, in light of all the revelations, now looks creepy.

He always looked creepy.

[square_eyes]

Originally Posted by Agent F

He always looked creepy.

He always seemed to look old.

[SamuelW]

I posted something about Itv rebrand yesterday, someone on TV Forum says theyve seen it and it's "horrendous":

While the current branding is not without it's problems, all I can say is wait until you see the new stuff. It's pretty horrendous imo.

http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/itv-...26337/page-393

The rebrand happens in January.

[square_eyes]

Originally Posted by SamuelW

I posted something about Itv rebrand yesterday, someone on TV Forum says theyve seen it and it's "horrendous":

You of course will be reserving judgement until you've seen it for yourself. No ?

[SamuelW]

Originally Posted by square_eyes

You of course will be reserving judgement until you've seen it for yourself. No ?

I'll wait before making a judgement. Yesterday I posted two people liked it who have seen it, today I seen one person hated it. So a mixed reaction so far to the rebrand.

[Charnham]

picking up something said on the linked forum, any new ITV PLC logo could not be any worse.

What are the current ITV 1 idents? I will have an opinion on the new ones im sure (when they are public, or this thread is given a sneak peak), just not sure what I should be comparing them to.

[iaindb]

Originally Posted by SamuelW

I posted something about Itv rebrand yesterday, someone on TV Forum says theyve seen it and it's "horrendous":

The rebrand happens in January.

I dont know what sort of value a rebrand will have. I'm not going to watch a programme just because it's preceded by a pretty logo.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by Charnham

picking up something said on the linked forum, any new ITV PLC logo could not be any worse.

What are the current ITV 1 idents? I will have an opinion on the new ones im sure (when they are public, or this thread is given a sneak peak), just not sure what I should be comparing them to.

They probably want them to be memorable. And memorable doesn't have to equal good.

[Charnham]

Originally Posted by JCR

They probably want them to be memorable. And memorable doesn't have to equal good.

I am getting fed up with that excuse for shoddy advertising.

ITV is not a price comparison website (unless I missed that memo), it should want its idents to reflect the image it is going for. Cheap, shoddy and annoying is not a good look for ITV.

iaindb whilst its true that new & better programs are more important, it does no harm to refresh the packaging, to put in line with those programs.

The theme of "heart" is very feminine, so I dont hold out much hope for it, I suspect it will not go over well with ITVs male viewers, but since they are all watching ITV 4, they wont be watching ITV1s new idents.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by Charnham

I am getting fed up with that excuse for shoddy advertising.

ITV is not a price comparison website (unless I missed that memo), it should want its idents to reflect the image it is going for. Cheap, shoddy and annoying is not a good look for ITV.

iaindb whilst its true that new & better programs are more important, it does no harm to refresh the packaging, to put in line with those programs.

The theme of "heart" is very feminine, so I dont hold out much hope for it, I suspect it will not go over well with ITVs male viewers, but since they are all watching ITV 4, they wont be watching ITV1s new idents.

Fair enough; I have no idea why anyone would watch ITV1 in the first place.

[Charnham]

Originally Posted by JCR

Fair enough; I have no idea why anyone would watch ITV1 in the first place.

preaching to the choir I could not even tell you what the current idents on.

Saying that, another thing to consider if how much will the channel matter if ITV ever gets the ITV Player working, ok its important that "ITV" is mentioned, but does it really matter what channel the show aired on, on TV, when your watching it online?

This extended out to all TV channels, and there online partner services.

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by grahamzxy

BBC 4
20:30 Only Connect 995,000

That's quite high, that should be just over a million in the officials.

Carrying on from the discussion about why CBBC overnights are not posted on here often, if the ratings were over 500k (which doesn't happen that often) would they be posted? I've seen some ratings of 200-300k or even lower that are still posted.

[Brekkie]

I do wonder if by allowing them to cut their regional commitments over the years whether OFCOM have actually enabled ITV to lose money rather than save money by diluting the numerous brands people held in such faith. As I've said over on TV Forum it's worth noting that most regions had essentially kept the same logo from around the 1970s (some earlier) through to the regional brands being dropped at the turn of the century, while ITV hasn't had a logo which has stuck more than a decade - and indeed even the new logo is described as "disposable". Then again if consistent and smart branding were reflected in ratings C4 would be the UK's number one TV channel.

[D.M.N.]

Haassan, *we* don't dictate which ratings are posted. People that post in this thread outside of this thread have normal lives and do not work for industry websites.

We do not have any say whatsoever in what Broadcast, Digital Spy or Media Guardian post. All of the media websites have access to the overnight ratings, and yes, that includes CBBC. But they are not obliged to post every rating, they cherry pick the best ones out, as you would expect. 99 times out of the 100, that does not include CBBC. There's no reason to report CBBC ratings, I don't anticipate anyone going to the Media Guardian website for example looking for CBBC ratings really.

The Sarah Jane Adventures is the exception, because was part of the Doctor Who brand, and so is Tracy Beaker the exception.

The only way CBBC ratings will get reported by Digital Spy and the such like is if it recorded 'anomaly' ratings over 1 million or had high enough ratings so that it entered ITV Media's top 10 for a particular day.

There's not much we can do if websites choose not report a certain channel's ratings even though the have access them. Of course you can send polite PM's and e-mails if you want (I have in the past if there are ratings that I want/need that have not been reported).