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The Ratings Thread (Part 42)
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Wynne Evans
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“Don't you get bored of posting the same thing every time EE's ratings come in?

They are not going to shoot up until there are storylines which warrant it - probably Xmas now. I don't know what you are expecting for what are generally filler eps. Maybe the episodes should be stronger for this time of year but a lot of that will be down to the previous producer and it is a separate matter entirely. For what the episodes are it is not rating badly at all. The other two are hardly doing much better.”

Do you get bored of continually failing to slap down FM's who dare to have an opinion?:yawn:

The way you react you would think that's all I ever do, open your eyes and you will see my posting history on this thread runs to more than taking a pop at EE, my interest in all things Aussie tv/ratings is plain to see.

Now in your post you talk about the other two, well I'm not in a position to judge whether their ratings are a result of acting/scripts because I don't watch them so therefore I refrain from commenting other than the ratings figure.

Dear god it comes to something when some take the dissing of EE's ratings performance as a personal slight, chill out and debate.
Mike Teevee
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Would you give some indication as to this change? Sounds intriguing! ”

where's the fun in that

it's probably not as interesting as I'm hinting at, but it will be very apparent
Jaycee Dove
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Schofield isn't going anywhere but there's been no apology over the Schofield's List just that the card possibly showed the names. I think that apology may come if Ofcom rules that This Morning made a mistake with that. I think they did and I'm no fan of David Cameron.”

As I noted in my reply the other day - they DID in fact apologise on the show - at the very start of Friday's edition presented by Eammon and Ruth (as it always is on Fridays). It was a clear 'message from on high' type statement. And likely all that needs to be said.

Interestingly, This Morning features each day for a week on i player on the new Sky catch up but laast Thursdays has not appeared...
comedy89
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Lousiana:
“Don't you get bored of posting the same thing every time EE's ratings come in?

They are not going to shoot up until there are storylines which warrant it - probably Xmas now. I don't know what you are expecting for what are generally filler eps. Maybe the episodes should be stronger for this time of year but a lot of that will be down to the previous producer and it is a separate matter entirely.This is a ratings thread. For what the episodes are it is not rating badly at all. The other two are hardly doing much better.”

EE fans are very over the top. So much so it scares me how loyal they are to a 30 min depressing soap opera that has pretty much lost its identity during the last 3 years.
Charnham
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Will Cowell poach John Craven for 2013?”

I would laugh very hard if X-Factor was ever beaten by Countryfile.

You have to think at that point, all the "im so cool I watch X-Factor" types, would be so horrified, they would turn off, and possibly watch Countryfile instead.

As for those Top 20 officals, despite everything EastEnders still need the top.

Surprised Russell Howard's Good News didnt time shift better than that.
FallingPiano
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Wynne Evans:
“Did she run over my puppy, strange I never knew I had one.

So what's the excuse for Fridays abysmal rating, beaten by Emmerdale, the show is a mess and no amount of excuses can hide that.”

Well she must have done something to provoke such hostility from you, along with any other member of the EastEnders production team. The way you endlessly savage them anyone would think they were all high-profile murderers.
cylon6
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“As I noted in my reply the other day - they DID in fact apologise on the show - at the very start of Friday's edition presented by Eammon and Ruth (as it always is on Fridays). It was a clear 'message from on high' type statement. And likely all that needs to be said.

Interestingly, This Morning features each day for a week on i player on the new Sky catch up but laast Thursdays has not appeared...”

From what I saw they apologised for holding the card in a way that people could see the names (they couldn't). It's the fact of doing the stunt in the first place that they haven't apologised for and they won't until they're ordered. But the fact most journalists and even non Cameron supporters are slagging Schofield and the show off for doing that speaks volumes.
Mike Teevee
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“From what I saw they apologised for holding the card in a way that people could see the names (they couldn't). It's the fact of doing the stunt in the first place that they haven't apologised for and they won't until they're ordered. But the fact most journalists and even non Cameron supporters are slagging Schofield and the show off for doing that speaks volumes.”

hmm I disagree, had he given him a folded piece of paper I can't see what the fuss would be about.

What TM/Schof did was (poorly) try to negate any getting out clause Dave would have had (I've not seen the name you're referring to) by dumping the names in his lap

I don't think Pip should resign, but maybe he needs to make a sincere on-air (second) apology
Green Knickers
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by comedy89:
“EE fans are very over the top. So much so it scares me how loyal they are to a 30 min depressing soap opera that has pretty much lost its identity during the last 3 years.”

Lost its identity-That pretty much sums it up .Perfectly phrased.
Digital Sid
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Every one knows XF is well down this year but it won't stop circular discussion of it every week. I can handle that TBH it's pretty clear XF has had a bad series this year and SCD has done really well.

... but I'm a Celebrity somehow doing badly with nearly 11m despite this much weaker lead in especially from 2-3 years ago? I don't even watch it but the lengths people go to to put ITV down is just ABSOLUTELY, UTTERLY PATHETIC.

Only a YOY rise would shut them up, and shut them up it would because they wouldn't remark on that, however unlikely it is in the increasingly fragmented industry each year.

Grr.”

Why do you care so much?
RobbieSykes123
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“hmm I disagree, had he given him a folded piece of paper I can't see what the fuss would be about.

What TM/Schof did was (poorly) try to negate any getting out clause Dave would have had (I've not seen the name you're referring to) by dumping the names in his lap

I don't think Pip should resign, but maybe he needs to make a sincere on-air (second) apology”

If Cameron had been (for sake of argument) on The One Show and confronted by Matt Baker with a list of names cobbled together from a 3 minute internet trawl, not only would the story have been running for the past 4 days putting him under intense pressure to quit, the DG would probably have been forced to go too.

Look at the ridiculous brouhaha over Clarkson's One Show comments that dominated the front pages for days, led to questions in the House, and hand-wringing from pious lefties who were falling over themselves to complain. Had that happened in the current climate of open warfare on the Beeb, I think the outcome would have been different. And of course Sachsgate, possibly the most overblown bit of social media driven mock-rage we have seen.

It's fine to wage war on the BBC - with ITV's indiscretions hardly anyone gives a stuff.

FWIW, if OFCOM finds against This Morning/Schofield, I think Philip should do the honourable thing and quit. He still has DOI, and all his other "cosy slippers" ITV ventures.
Jaycee Dove
12-11-2012
Nobody made any predictions for Crime Stories (see my post yesterday). But as I noted it has scheduling issues given that it starts 10 mins before Doctors ends and the new time for Countdown from today is right in the middle.

From the thread on here it had some viewers (more than Bomb Girls seemingly!) But it seems to be rather quirky to promise it will hold onto most of whatever it gets today (just sub1 million?)

I thought it was an intriguing experiment - a sort of modern Crown Court, if that had used real judges and they ad libbed throughout.

The documentary/reconstruction tone of Crimewatch crossed with a Children in Need hastily written spoof episode of the Bill.

Could be an acquired taste though and worth a look on catch up just to see how a real detective with no acting experience almost out acts several ex cast members from Hollyoaks and Corrie playing the wronged and the wrong uns!

And I do applaud ITV for trying something really new. The problem is that after the superb spoof comedy documentary about the Olympics this was similar enough in format to have half a thought that it was intended to be hammy.

You just wish in the end they had brought back the Bill and told the same story that way. But - hey - it was very different and you have to give points for trying.
jake lyle
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by comedy89:
“EE fans are very over the top. So much so it scares me how loyal they are to a 30 min depressing soap opera that has pretty much lost its identity during the last 3 years.”

Pot and kettle spings to mind
owlycherries
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Another great number for Strictly - I'm forever surprised at how many people are willing to watch a recorded results show, and how well the media generally keep schtum about the result. Yes, you can find it on the DS boards, but the popular media never seem to spill.

Also a fantastic figure for I'm a Celebrity. I've always found this one baffling to explain, but for the past few years I've credited XF for it's revival. Clearly, it's more than capable of sustaining itself, though.

Interesting to see Andrew Marr rise. It just goes to prove that Downton is the single most difficult opposition for BBC One to schedule against all year long. With all of ITV's other major offerings - BGT, XF, IAC - they can retreat to the sort of comfy ABC1-skewing content that is their trademark. Uniquely, with Downton Abbey, that doesn't work for them.

I imagine the subject of Marr helped last night, too - he was into the 20th Century. People are fundamentally happier watching a documentary about Hitler and recent history than they would have been a few weeks ago, studying the significance of the rise of the Mongol Empire! (More's the pity - I love a bit of history, and its a shame there doesn't seem to be an audience there on primetime BBC One for it. I hope they keep trying, in different ways.)”

I wonder how many people actually know it's prerecorded, though. Before there was that story about Louis revealing the result,I had thought it was live
square_eyes
12-11-2012
The press pack for new 3 part ITV drama 'The Town' is now available. So I guess that will be airing between I'm A Celeb finishing and Christmas.
Mike Teevee
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“If Cameron had been (for sake of argument) on The One Show and confronted by Matt Baker with a list of names cobbled together from a 3 minute internet trawl, not only would the story have been running for the past 4 days putting him under intense pressure to quit, the DG would probably have been forced to go too.

Look at the ridiculous brouhaha over Clarkson's One Show comments that dominated the front pages for days, led to questions in the House, and hand-wringing from pious lefties who were falling over themselves to complain. Had that happened in the current climate of open warfare on the Beeb, I think the outcome would have been different. And of course Sachsgate, possibly the most overblown bit of social media driven mock-rage we have seen.

It's fine to wage war on the BBC - with ITV's indiscretions hardly anyone gives a stuff.

FWIW, if OFCOM finds against This Morning/Schofield, I think Philip should do the honourable thing and quit. He still has DOI, and all his other "cosy slippers" ITV ventures.”

What Pip did was the equivalent of what Matthew Wright did to John Leslie on The Wright Stuff. I believe he's still presenting that show

I don't care for the hysteria surrounding the BBC at the moment. I happen to love the organisation much prefer it to the pay-tv sector of Sky (just like I do with ITV)

Clarkson furore was mainly about him and what an odious (in some people's eyes) person he is. Sachsgate was a quick way to attack Jonathan Ross for his allegedly large salary (despite the misleading use of figures to justify the attack)

Any attacks in Parliament are done by opportunist MP's wasting their privilege to make comments about 'news worthy' matters to try and impress their constituents. This isn't just a leftie tactic, I think you'll find that parties from both sides of the chamber do this

There may well be a vested interested in News International/Daily Mail and General Trust pathetic attempts at blaming the BBC for everything from Savile's alleged action and the moral state of journalism, but that doesn't mean the public at large fall for it. I daresay the majority of people don't really care about the news process within the BBC
square_eyes
12-11-2012
John Bishop to star in ITV1 Christmas comedy-drama 'Panto!' with Sheridan Smith, Mark Benton, Samantha Spiro & Chesney Hawkes.

http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2012/1..._panto!_to_itv
Mike Teevee
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“John Bishop to star in ITV1 Christmas comedy-drama 'Panto!' with Sheridan Smith, Mark Benton, Samantha Spiro & Chesney Hawkes.

http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2012/1..._panto!_to_itv”

doubt it'll be as good as this

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228306/
Hassaan13
12-11-2012
XF was scheduled 8:05 to 9:50 on Saturday and finished 7-8 minutes earlier. Does it go up against Strictly on Saturday?
square_eyes
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“XF was scheduled 8:05 to 9:50 on Saturday and finished 7-8 minutes earlier. Does it go up against Strictly on Saturday?”

No SCD finishes at 8pm, when XF starts.

XF only on 1hr 20 mins this Saturday.
D.M.N.
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“where's the fun in that

it's probably not as interesting as I'm hinting at, but it will be very apparent”

I'm guessing a website layout change.
guestofseth
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“The press pack for new 3 part ITV drama 'The Town' is now available. So I guess that will be airing between I'm A Celeb finishing and Christmas.”

Stars Martin Clunes, so should do well for them, I'll be watching for Andrew Scott.

While ITV's dramas have improved it was mainly their period dramas that excelled imo (Mrs Biggs, The Scapegoat), their contemporary dramas are still lacking something (Leaving, Homefront, Monroe) so I have my doubts about it quality-wise.
Andy23
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl:
“Do we know if there is a specific group of viewers that are turning off X-Factor? Personally I suspect more folks have engaged their bullchit antenna & aren't prepared to be watch fakery any longer.”

I expect it is just a number of people who are bored of it because it's been on many years, yes as straight forward as that with no need for 10 pages of over analysis

Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Compared to the same week 12 months ago :

Emmerdale - 7.04m (32.9%)
Coronation St - 8.32m (37.2%)
Eastenders - 8.05m (34.5%)
Coronation St - 8.24m (34.1%)

(without timeshift)”

So as well as EE being 1.5m behind Corrie and significantly behind Emmerdale, it's also lost almost 1.5m year on year.

Christmas Day will be interesting, the way things are going here it might get beaten by Downton Abbey AND Coronation Street.

Originally Posted by comedy89:
“EE fans are very over the top. So much so it scares me how loyal they are to a 30 min depressing soap opera that has pretty much lost its identity during the last 3 years.”

Indeed, you only have to look at how over the top the EE discussions are in the soaps forum

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“If Cameron had been (for sake of argument) on The One Show and confronted by Matt Baker with a list of names cobbled together from a 3 minute internet trawl, not only would the story have been running for the past 4 days putting him under intense pressure to quit, the DG would probably have been forced to go too.

Look at the ridiculous brouhaha over Clarkson's One Show comments that dominated the front pages for days, led to questions in the House, and hand-wringing from pious lefties who were falling over themselves to complain. Had that happened in the current climate of open warfare on the Beeb, I think the outcome would have been different. And of course Sachsgate, possibly the most overblown bit of social media driven mock-rage we have seen.

It's fine to wage war on the BBC - with ITV's indiscretions hardly anyone gives a stuff.

FWIW, if OFCOM finds against This Morning/Schofield, I think Philip should do the honourable thing and quit. He still has DOI, and all his other "cosy slippers" ITV ventures.”

So basically you are complaining that the media often create a storm in a teacup for the BBC but then also complaining that the media ARE NOT creating a major front page scandal relating to Schofield. It's quite obvious most people here who keep going on about Schofield being sacked, don't actually care about the incident but it's more about how they don't like Schofield and want him sacked for any reason. People saying "I hope smug Schofield gets sacked..." give this away somewhat.

Also you need to remember that the BBC get a lot of privilege in it's war against ITV. Things which you never take into account when comparing their ratings. (No adverts, radio cross promotion,guaranteed income, Button 1 on TV's etc etc).

You have to realise that there are a few negatives as well (greater scrutiny) so you can't moan on the few occasions they come into play.
Chris1964
12-11-2012
Interesting to see if the initial rating for IAC turns out to be its highest. I think its happened before-it certainly has with DOI.
jake lyle
12-11-2012
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“FWIW, if OFCOM finds against This Morning/Schofield, I think Philip should do the honourable thing and quit. He still has DOI, and all his other "cosy slippers" ITV ventures.”

He wont go but had he done that on the BBC he would be gone already.
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“What Pip did was the equivalent of what Matthew Wright did to John Leslie on The Wright Stuff. I believe he's still presenting that show”

Er John Leslie didn't hand a list (which many could read) of suspected paedo's sourced from google/twitter to the actual bloody Prime Minister live on air. It's way more serious than that what Wright did.
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