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A run-down of all the consolidated final peaks for both BGT and XF:
BGT: 2007: 12.81m (47.7%) and 12.37m (52.8%) 2008: 14.44m (59.2%) and 14.83m (59.2%) 2009: 18.76m (72.8%) and 19.97m (71.6%) 2010: 15.87m (59.8%) (inc HD) 2011: 14.08m (50.6%) and 14.79m (55%) (inc HD) 2012: 14.91m (52.1%) (inc HD) X Factor: 2004 & 2005: N/A 2006: 11.17m (48.2%) and 12.82m (56.5%) 2007: 12.79m (51.9%) and 13.15m (55.3%) 2008: 15.02m (53.4%) and 15.00m (60.6%) 2009: 15.14m (53.9%) and 19.28m (60.5%) 2010: 16.27m (53.9%) and 19.77m (59.1%) 2011: 12.84m (42.4%) and 15.71m (48.1%) |
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Adding to DMN/RZT's post from yesterday
Series 1 (2002): 6.4m (33%) Series 2 (2003): 10.0m (46%) Series 3 (2004): 10.1m (n/a%) Series 4 (2004): 9.0m (35%) Series 5 (2005): 9.5m (38%) Series 6 (2006): 8.9m (38%) Series 7 (2007): 8.7m (38%) Series 8 (2008): 8.9m (35%) Series 9 (2009): 9.8m (36%) Series 10 (2010): 11.2m (38%) Series 11 (2011): 11.8m (44%) inc +1 Series 12 (2012): 10.3m (41%) 10.6m (42%) inc +1 So yes it is down on the last 2 years but up on the previous 9 years before that So how can this be 'a cause for concern for ITV' and be 'worrying'? am I right?
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I love IAC - always have. I've not watched the X Factor since Joe McElderry won the show! (I voted for him too, bless him!)
I think the winning factor with IAC is that it's on daily for two solid weeks (or is it three?), and then it's over and done with. It's very addictive....I always swear that I'll just watch the odd episode.....but I end up watching them ALL (live or recorded)! With the X - Factor....it's so long and drawn out for weeks on end, with the same old same old comments! How many more 'journeys' do we have to hear about?? Simon Cowell must be a bit worried by now! Being beaten by Brucie and Ant & Dec! ![]()
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the way its been playing out recently, anyone would think James Murdoch is already in charge at the BBC.
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IAC is ten this year, but I did hear ITV have the rights to the location until 2014.
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I love IAC - always have. I've not watched the X Factor since Joe McElderry won the show! (I voted for him too, bless him!)
I think the winning factor with IAC is that it's on daily for two solid weeks (or is it three?), and then it's over and done with. It's very addictive....I always swear that I'll just watch the odd episode.....but I end up watching them ALL (live or recorded)! With the X - Factor....it's so long and drawn out for weeks on end, with the same old same old comments! How many more 'journeys' do we have to hear about?? Simon Cowell must be a bit worried by now! Being beaten by Brucie and Ant & Dec! ![]() ![]() He would be worried about Brucie though.
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John Bishop to star in ITV1 Christmas comedy-drama 'Panto!' with Sheridan Smith, Mark Benton, Samantha Spiro & Chesney Hawkes.
http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2012/1..._panto!_to_itv Christmas Day at 9pm, perchance? ![]() Quote:
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at Friday's EE rating. Beaten by Emmerdale too on a random Friday night in November.You reckon it will get 6.8m tonight too? |
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Massive timeshift for last Sunday's Homeland on C4, 1.8m > 2.93m.
Not ideal for a channel relying on ad revenue. Both of Sky Living's new US dramas, Elementary and Chicago Fire up on their premiere episodes. |
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If, though, EE is truly in crisis - and I concede that the BSI might be nervously monitoring the numbers in the next 3 weeks till Xmas scheduling D-Day - I wonder if the best option may be to ensure it moves away from DA and leave The Royles and Mrs Brown as the main DA competition, bringing a bit of fun and joy to compete with Downton's unremittingly cold misery?
If BBC1 go with: 8.00 EE 9.00 Royles 10.00 Mrs Brown's Boys ...with possibly the two MBBs merged into a one hour special, then are ITV going to run their soaps at 6pm and 7pm with either a one hour gap to DA (a Family Fortunes lead-in - not blooming likely!) or DA having to start at 8pm with the network basically shutting up shop at 10pm and ensuring Brown's goes to unprecedented heights and possibly even wins the day in the overnights as the one show without any meaningful competition? I suspect ITV will try to use the same tactic as last year with Em at 6 and CS at 8, trying to force EE into that one hour slot. But what if the BBC, like last year, tell them to get stuffed and run with EE at 8pm come what may? Or might we get a two part CS at 7.30 and 10pm? The scheduling build up, and idents anticipation, is always more fascinating than the programmes themselves!
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I think you may have put your finger on it in your response... You reckon it will get 6.8m tonight too? |
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If, though, EE is truly in crisis - and I concede that the BSI might be nervously monitoring the numbers in the next 3 weeks till Xmas scheduling D-Day - I wonder if the best option may be to ensure it moves away from DA and leave The Royles and Mrs Brown as the main DA competition, bringing a bit of fun and joy to compete with Downton's unremittingly cold misery?
If BBC1 go with: 8.00 EE 9.00 Royles 10.00 Mrs Brown's Boys ...with possibly the two MBBs merged into a one hour special, then are ITV going to run their soaps at 6pm and 7pm with either a one hour gap to DA (a Family Fortunes lead-in - not blooming likely!) or DA having to start at 8pm with the network basically shutting up shop at 10pm and ensuring Brown's goes to unprecedented heights and possibly even wins the day in the overnights as the one show without any meaningful competition? I suspect ITV will try to use the same tactic as last year with Em at 6 and CS at 8, trying to force EE into that one hour slot. But what if the BBC, like last year, tell them to get stuffed and run with EE at 8pm come what may? Or might we get a two part CS at 7.30 and 10pm? The scheduling build up, and idents anticipation, is always more fascinating than the programmes themselves! ![]() MBB will be massive, i predict at least ten million. |
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Interestingly, looking at the consolidated's, The Chase's highest rating is on 2nd November 2012 with 3.16m. The lowest (for a non-repeat) is on 28th May 2010 with 992k. The first ever edition on 29th June 2009 had 1.44m.
Looking at Pointless, highest rating for a non-repeat on BBC1 is on 11th November 2011 with 3.28m, the highest if you include the repeats is on 23rd December 2011 with 4.4m. Lowest rating (again, not including repeats) on BBC1 is 1.79m on 25th May 2012. On BBC2, lowest is on 16th April 2010 with 735k, and highest is on 1st December 2010 with 2.32m. So, interesting comparison there. Also, the semi-final result for the third semi final this year (8th May), was the third lowest rated BGT episode ever. The consolidated 5-minute breakdown for the BGT 2009 final is interesting: 21:30 15.29m (60.85%) 21:35 17.67m (66.88%) 21:40 16.40m (64.31%) 21:45 18.01m (68.04%) 21:50 19.97m (71.62%) 21:55 19.58m (70.77%) Quote:
A run-down of all the consolidated final peaks for both BGT and XF:
BGT: 2007: 12.81m (47.7%) and 12.37m (52.8%) 2008: 14.44m (59.2%) and 14.83m (59.2%) 2009: 18.76m (72.8%) and 19.97m (71.6%) 2010: 15.87m (59.8%) (inc HD) 2011: 14.08m (50.6%) and 14.79m (55%) (inc HD) 2012: 14.91m (52.1%) (inc HD) X Factor: 2004 & 2005: N/A 2006: 11.17m (48.2%) and 12.82m (56.5%) 2007: 12.79m (51.9%) and 13.15m (55.3%) 2008: 15.02m (53.4%) and 15.00m (60.6%) 2009: 15.14m (53.9%) and 19.28m (60.5%) 2010: 16.27m (53.9%) and 19.77m (59.1%) 2011: 12.84m (42.4%) and 15.71m (48.1%) ![]() The Chase had some really rotten ratings in its first year and has definitely been a slow burner for them, as all the biggest hits tend to be. Pointless had time to build up on BBC2 and by the time it transferred to BBC1 it was already a strong hit. Easy to forget just ho high some of those peaks have been - BGT 2009 was so close to 20 million! I don't think I've seen the consolidated peaks before and they make interesting reading. I gather the 2011 and 2012 ones don't include +1 - for BGT 2012 that would add another 0.7-0.8m looking at the overnights, so putting it in line with 2010. Looking ahead I suspect this year's X Factor Final will peak at around 12m and average about 10m - there's a chance the average might miss 10m in the overnights which would be a terrible result, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if it happened. BGT on the other hand had a good year and I think positive momentum from that should get them a good launch number next year. After that it'll depend on the quality of the series but after this year I see no reason why it can't do very well. It has an advantage over the other shows in that it is unique as there are no other variety shows, and it has a pretty short run, so has some of the benefits that I'm A Celebrity also enjoys. Speaking of which, that's a pretty encouraging start for IAC. ITV have been wise in not overexposing it and it is reaping the rewards now. I guess it'll be around 9-9.5m tonight and I think it'll have another good year. Like Strictly it has experienced a new lease of life in the last couple of years after a bit of a slowdown, and it is a huge deal for ITV. |
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The only small comfort for XF is that its 8m on a Saturday night looks positely stellar compared to the rest of the schedule. 6pm - 8pm is a disaster.
ITV have nothing to dent SCD, TV Burp was perfect in that sense as it brought a different audience, even Family Fortunes made a better job of what they have now. itv should show live who wants to be a millionare or the chase on sat night before xfactor |
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I suspect ITV will try to use the same tactic as last year with Em at 6 and CS at 8, trying to force EE into that one hour slot. But what if the BBC, like last year, tell them to get stuffed and run with EE at 8pm come what may?
Or might we get a two part CS at 7.30 and 10pm? ![]() Splitting Corrie in two is possible (I'd go 8/10.30, with Downton at 8.30), but unlikely IMO as they do seem to go for a one-hour special - two 30 minute episodes is just the norm for Corrie. EE can do what it likes quite frankly - IMO at the very least it should be cut back to 30 minutes and it is always far too dominant on the BBC over Christmas with a ridiculous number of extra episodes. BBC1 would still almost certainly win Christmas night without it, so why bother with the misery. |
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hmm I disagree, had he given him a folded piece of paper I can't see what the fuss would be about.
What TM/Schof did was (poorly) try to negate any getting out clause Dave would have had (I've not seen the name you're referring to) by dumping the names in his lap I don't think Pip should resign, but maybe he needs to make a sincere on-air (second) apology Schofield isn't going to resign nor should he but he and the programme should apologise for that stunt. Quote:
If Cameron had been (for sake of argument) on The One Show and confronted by Matt Baker with a list of names cobbled together from a 3 minute internet trawl, not only would the story have been running for the past 4 days putting him under intense pressure to quit, the DG would probably have been forced to go too.
Look at the ridiculous brouhaha over Clarkson's One Show comments that dominated the front pages for days, led to questions in the House, and hand-wringing from pious lefties who were falling over themselves to complain. Had that happened in the current climate of open warfare on the Beeb, I think the outcome would have been different. And of course Sachsgate, possibly the most overblown bit of social media driven mock-rage we have seen. It's fine to wage war on the BBC - with ITV's indiscretions hardly anyone gives a stuff. FWIW, if OFCOM finds against This Morning/Schofield, I think Philip should do the honourable thing and quit. He still has DOI, and all his other "cosy slippers" ITV ventures. |
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I'm going to get slated for saying this but EE is looking very much like the weakest link in the BBC Christmas Day schedule, DA will air against EE I believe as ITV schedulers see it as a soap on the proverbial rope.
MBB will be massive, i predict at least ten million. |
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ITV have two worries in entertainment. The main one is X Factor, falling heavily for over a year now. Then there's Dancing on Ice.
I'm A Celebrity posted a really encouraging result last night after a very strong series last year. Britain's Got Talent is down 4% over the past 2 years if you take an hourly average (what matters to ITV) so it's hardly a worry at all. Dancing On Ice didn't have a bad series this year; it's competition just increased beyond recognition. I think they should do a Strictly with it and take advantage of the weaker Saturday nights post Christmas by splitting it across the schedule. They could easily throw it out in the 7pm hour then throw a two hour drama or even some film premieres/repeats at 8pm opposite Call The Midwife. Mr. Selfridge could take the Monday night slot. It depends what approach they want to take - protect the show or protect the night. IMO both Dancing On Ice and The X Factor have reached the stage where they need to be protected more than the night itself. |
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Could the unthinkable happen and Eastenders get cancelled some time in the future? I don't think it will as it has been such a feature on BBC One for so long, but alarm bells must be ringing.
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Could the unthinkable happen and Eastenders get cancelled some time in the future? I don't think it will as it has been such a feature on BBC One for so long, but alarm bells must be ringing.
Much like X-Factor its ratings are not yet in the toilet, whilst unlike X-Factor is has less egos to feed, no one will quit EastEnders because the ratings have dipped. |
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whilst I agree its a little concerning that EE is failing to climb in viewers as it should be doing, I think talk of the axe is going a little far.
Much like X-Factor its ratings are not yet in the toilet, whilst unlike X-Factor is has less egos to feed, no one will quit EastEnders because the ratings have dipped. |
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What is more likely if the slump persists through the winter is there could be a heap of sackings of unpopular characters and maybe the BBC could cut EE to three episodes a week to improve the scripts.
Meanwhile cutting it back to 3 episodes a week, does not mean that a poor producer and poor writers, will keep the right characters, or write better episodes. If anything cutting budget will mean more cheaper younger actors, which is something EastEnders currently suffers from, those breaks that the longer running characters are taking are most likely down to budget cuts. Any new producer is a gamble, and I suspect any new producer will be given less to work with. |
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If, though, EE is truly in crisis - and I concede that the BSI might be nervously monitoring the numbers in the next 3 weeks till Xmas scheduling D-Day - I wonder if the best option may be to ensure it moves away from DA and leave The Royles and Mrs Brown as the main DA competition, bringing a bit of fun and joy to compete with Downton's unremittingly cold misery?
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Could the unthinkable happen and Eastenders get cancelled some time in the future? I don't think it will as it has been such a feature on BBC One for so long, but alarm bells must be ringing.
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I have said this for years. Why should EastEnders be on Christmas Day. The BBC now have a huge selection of decent, returning comedies and dramas that have been big during the last 12 months.
- Miranda - Mrs Browns Boys - Call the Midwife -Outnumbered -Not Going Out -Whilst plenty of films, etc. I am not against EastEnders being on during the christmas period. The ratings will probably be satisfactory and people still enjoy it. But why not have their big episode on Boxing Day, Christmas Eve or New years day. Likewise with Corrie. There is no real reason for that to be on Xmas Day. Usually there is a slightly more merrier feel to the episodes than EastEnders. ITV now have Downtown Abbey as their headline programme. |
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Could the unthinkable happen and Eastenders get cancelled some time in the future? I don't think it will as it has been such a feature on BBC One for so long, but alarm bells must be ringing.
When Kirkwood was appointed there were a few unhappy voices worried about the direction he would take the show in, looking at the old archive threads 2 1/2 years on it seems they were right. Ratings do concern the BBC but for non commercial reasons. |
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that 2 hour Downton Abbey, could blow EastEnders out of the water this Christmas. The BBC will struggle to put together a competitive schedule.
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