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No, because it has constantly been in BBC One's top 10 for the past twenty years.
I used to be a viewer till about 2010. I think I went off it after Babs exit. After that it seemed to be all about the newer younger members and the Brannings. It all justr became a bit to predictable. |
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that 2 hour Downton Abbey, could blow EastEnders out of the water this Christmas. The BBC will struggle to put together a competitive schedule.
Had the EE ratings slump taken place last year then Christmas Day 2011 could have been one of the BBC's weakest in many years. |
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The X Factor seems to have stabilised around the 8m figure. I don't think it's going to fall any lower this series; the question is if everyone will return for the tenth series - if so, in the great scheme of things, it's still in decent shape despite the massive fall from 2010. However, if they don't return...
For the first few weeks it was fair enough to think that the big fall was just a continuation of last year where a large number were lost after the auditions. And the year on year comparisons were improving coming into the live shows but in the past couple of weeks they have grown massively again. It's now at the stage where there was a 20% decline between 2010 and 2011 and now, on top of that, there's an additional 20% fall. |
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whilst I understand calls for a cast over haul, the episode cutting is a false economy, if its cut to 3 episode it will get less budget, which would not be helpful to the show.
Meanwhile cutting it back to 3 episodes a week, does not mean that a poor producer and poor writers, will keep the right characters, or write better episodes. If anything cutting budget will mean more cheaper younger actors, which is something EastEnders currently suffers from, those breaks that the longer running characters are taking are most likely down to budget cuts. Any new producer is a gamble, and I suspect any new producer will be given less to work with. |
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You make some very good points but all productions have saw budgets cut, Holby has been hit the hardest in recent years in the continuing drama slate and even the mega money spinner Doctor Who has its budget reduced.
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whilst I understand calls for a cast over haul, the episode cutting is a false economy, if its cut to 3 episode it will get less budget, which would not be helpful to the show.
Meanwhile cutting it back to 3 episodes a week, does not mean that a poor producer and poor writers, will keep the right characters, or write better episodes. If anything cutting budget will mean more cheaper younger actors, which is something EastEnders currently suffers from, those breaks that the longer running characters are taking are most likely down to budget cuts. Any new producer is a gamble, and I suspect any new producer will be given less to work with. |
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and fair enough, I just dont think that MORE budget cuts is what EastEnders needs at the moment.
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Just thinking of potential Christmas Day schedules without the soaps...
BBC One 18.00 Doctor Who 19.00 Call The Midwife 20.00 Strictly Come Dancing 21.00 The Royle Family 22.00 Mrs. Brown's Boys ITV1 17.30 Surprise, Surprise 18.30 Dancing On Ice Special 20.00 Downton Abbey 22.00 The Jonathan Ross Christmas Show I think Emmerdale and Coronation Street are needed by ITV more than EastEnders is needed by BBC One. |
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Just thinking of potential Christmas Day schedules without the soaps...
BBC One 18.00 Doctor Who 19.00 Call The Midwife 20.00 Strictly Come Dancing 21.00 The Royle Family 22.00 Mrs. Brown's Boys ITV1 17.30 Surprise, Surprise 18.30 Dancing On Ice Special 20.00 Downton Abbey 22.00 The Jonathan Ross Christmas Show I think Emmerdale and Coronation Street are needed by ITV more than EastEnders is needed by BBC One. I agree entirely with this post. BBC don't need EastEnders on at all. |
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People do say on here when the soaps were on three times a week the scripts were better. Also 6.8 million is worrying. However, it may be that people are sick of EE and the soaps in general haven't come back to life after the summer of sport.
Poor storylines, will still feel like a drag and it certainly wont make the wooden actors any better. Quote:
I'm not advocating a further budget cut, that would be suicidal,
the BBC also needs to fill the empty 30 minutes, which will be a problem in primetime BBC 1, BBC 3 will cope better, as well the shunted to the late night omnibus slot, where the exact length does not matter so much. As far as Christmas goes, ive said it before, having two episodes, a Doctor Who Christmas special, and seemingly a Strictly Come Dancing special as a Christmas Day tradition, does not leave alot of room for variety in the schedule from year to year. |
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Thanks a lot for this - where did you find the info?
![]() The Chase had some really rotten ratings in its first year and has definitely been a slow burner for them, as all the biggest hits tend to be. Pointless had time to build up on BBC2 and by the time it transferred to BBC1 it was already a strong hit. Quote:
BGT on the other hand had a good year and I think positive momentum from that should get them a good launch number next year. After that it'll depend on the quality of the series but after this year I see no reason why it can't do very well. It has an advantage over the other shows in that it is unique as there are no other variety shows, and it has a pretty short run, so has some of the benefits that I'm A Celebrity also enjoys.
I think BGT will benefit from their being no change to the judging line up next year - it was a panel that worked last year and I think people tire of the constant rumoured changes in line up with the judges. The only worry is that David Walliams and the "my Simon" act was quite refreshing this year - just hope it doesn't become tiresome next year and like with Little Britain all the things viewers liked about him one year end up being the things that annoy the next.The X Factor undoubtedly will go through the judges rumour mill next year (indeed the rumours for next year have been running since before the live shows this year). They won't make the change that really needs making and sack Louis, while Simon returning isn't going to happen unless FOX do a U-turn on recommissioning the US series. I'd actually be tempted now to do a Kate Thornton on Dermot and give the main gig to Caroline and Olly as I don't think the judges are the problem - it's more the way the show is put together and how it flows, and though Dermot can run the show like clockwork it's all a bit too serious. |
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Not axed but a daytime slot would be on the cards if its ratings continue the slide, whoever is the new head of drama/continuing serials (if one has been appointed) must be concerned, the show needs a radical rethink asap.
When Kirkwood was appointed there were a few unhappy voices worried about the direction he would take the show in, looking at the old archive threads 2 1/2 years on it seems they were right. Ratings do concern the BBC but for non commercial reasons. |
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The X Factor undoubtedly will go through the judges rumour mill next year (indeed the rumours for next year have been running since before the live shows this year). They won't make the change that really needs making and sack Louis, while Simon returning isn't going to happen unless FOX do a U-turn on recommissioning the US series. I'd actually be tempted now to do a Kate Thornton on Dermot and give the main gig to Caroline and Olly as I don't think the judges are the problem - it's more the way the show is put together and how it flows, and though Dermot can run the show like clockwork it's all a bit too serious.
Maybe Louis could present?
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This is what happened to the soaps in America in the nineties. A period of overkill and some awful storylines saw many killed off or moved into daytime.
It would end up like a d2DVD sequel of EE. think American Pie: Beta House compared to American Pie. |
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5 or 6 years ago I never thought The Bill would be axed after almost 30 years. It rapidly declined due to producers changing its direction.
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Well Full English on C4 is showing how Twitter can hurt ratings as much as help them. Based on the pretty much unanimous tweets which got the show trending I don't think anybody will be thinking of seeing it for themselves.
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moving EE to Daytime, would be the single worst thing the BBC could do, no way it could keep its budget.
It would end up like a d2DVD sequel of EE. think American Pie: Beta House compared to American Pie. ![]() Joke aside, EE would no doubt have to slash it's budget- when Brookie moved to a single Saturday showing, it's budget was cut, and we lost Brookside Parade as a result. |
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I'd all be for losing EastEnders if it meant money could be invested in a more varied primetime line up of drama, but I suspect rather than axing it outright EastEnders would at first at least be reformatted into a weekly hour-long show which would effectively be one of the shows that replaced itself.
Back to Brookie and I still think it would at least have been worth a shot reformatting it as a weekly one-hour show and sticking it in a 9pm slot. |
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Er John Leslie didn't hand a list (which many could read) of suspected paedo's sourced from google/twitter to the actual bloody Prime Minister live on air. It's way more serious than that what Wright did.
Wright: Accidental slip of the tongue. Schofield: Trawled the net. Compiled a list. Took it to work. Took it into the studio. Let the camera see it. Handed it to the PM. |
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whilst I agree that having less time to fill, should mean quality improves, there is no reason to think a poor writing team lead by a poor exec producer will do any better. It might help the producer a bit, but it wont magically make the writers any better.
Poor storylines, will still feel like a drag and it certainly wont make the wooden actors any better. and fair enough, but do you really think the BBC will be able to justify paying the same for 3 episode as they did for 4? the BBC also needs to fill the empty 30 minutes, which will be a problem in primetime BBC 1, BBC 3 will cope better, as well the shunted to the late night omnibus slot, where the exact length does not matter so much. As far as Christmas goes, ive said it before, having two episodes, a Doctor Who Christmas special, and seemingly a Strictly Come Dancing special as a Christmas Day tradition, does not leave alot of room for variety in the schedule from year to year. I'm not advocating an episode reduction either, i'd advocate a budget increase as long as it was not wasted on cast salaries, bring in new writers with a track record to write for the show, another EP with experience of running a four times a week mainstream soap would ensure that Newman had a guiding hand. And they should stop the inclusion of scripts written by amateurs such as Marshall/Kenny, a professional production needs tried and tested writers. |
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5 or 6 years ago I never thought The Bill would be axed after almost 30 years. It rapidly declined due to producers changing its direction.
Its not too late to halt the ratings/quality decline of EE, |
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EE fully merits a Christmas Day slot on the flagship channel. Even if individual first run episodes are dipping now and then, I would be surprised if its overall reach is in decline, and it remains one of the country's most iconic and popular shows. Moreover, given the captive Christmas Day audience, it's a chance to use a big storyline to hook lapsed viewers back in.
It would be nice too see 30 minutes only on the big day though, and ditto for Coro and Em Fm too. |
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Well Full English on C4 is showing how Twitter can hurt ratings as much as help them. Based on the pretty much unanimous tweets which got the show trending I don't think anybody will be thinking of seeing it for themselves.
Not being a twitterer, (is that the right word?, is it even a word?) I will +1 it in a few minutes. Quote:
I'd all be for losing EastEnders if it meant money could be invested in a more varied primetime line up of drama, but I suspect rather than axing it outright EastEnders would at first at least be reformatted into a weekly hour-long show which would effectively be one of the shows that replaced itself.
Back to Brookie and I still think it would at least have been worth a shot reformatting it as a weekly one-hour show and sticking it in a 9pm slot. As far as the rest of the schedule goes the problem with soaps is that they produce 4, 30 minute episodes of drama, with the same, cast, crew, set and story arc, week in week out, that is a very cost effective way of doing it. You could not replace EE with 4, 30 minute dramas with no connection to each other, as they would all need to be cast, crewed, developed, etc (as far as commissioning) separately. |
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I'm not advocating an episode reduction either, i'd advocate a budget increase as long as it was not wasted on cast salaries, bring in new writers with a track record to write for the show, another EP with experience of running a four times a week mainstream soap would ensure that Newman had a guiding hand.
As I said EastEnders currently suffers from using younger and cheaper actors, often it is more than clear to viewers, which actors those are. |
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I agree entirely with this post. BBC don't need EastEnders on at all.
Put yourself in the shoes of an EE producer and you're likely already feeling unsupported given the bumping of the BBC3 repeat and the burying of the omnibus. If they take your Christmas shop window away, it's going to feel like yet another setback in your difficult battle to win back viewers. Well you might say "Who cares? Serves them right" - but it still feels like a pretty shoddy 12 months of treatment for a show that, lets face it, single-handedly props up the BBC's entire pre-watershed schedule, 4 nights a week, 52 weeks a year, and has done for several decades. I'm not saying this from any position of great love for EE - indeed, I used to watch a fair bit around the time of the 25th Anniversary, and have now kicked the habit - but these are the managerial decisions you'd have to think about if you are Danny Cohen. Regardless of a disappointing year, it hardly seems the clever thing to do to kick the show when it's down. |
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