Hollyoaks seems to be in a rich vein of form by all accounts. It won Best Continuing Drama at The Writer's Guild Awards last night.

This Morning and Newsnight never named anybody but what they did led to people being able to workout who they were talking about and then fill social media timelines with the name. I think that's quite serious.

I agree, media-types love it, because the people in it are all like them. Personally i find them all hateful. Lovely period sets and details though.

Yet I'm not watching the second series. Must cost the beeb a lot of money too for those ratings.

Oh and as I've said before about the rating for "that" football match, just shows Exeter City are ratings gold

Newsnight produced a report that had a massive flaw, the person who was being accused of a crime wasn't the person who committed it

This Morning tried to be clever by making PM acknowledge internet gossip about the innocent person

I don't see how ITV's crime is greater than BBC's nor do I see what would be a fair punishment for either broadcaster

BBC didn't follow their own rules regarding fact checking, ITV tried to do a stupid stunt.

SInce Bryan Kirkwood returned he's turned it round in (almost) the click of a finger which makes me wonder what went so wrong at Eastenders.

and that is one of the biggest mystery's as well for me.

How come he can work magic at Hollyoaks, but at EE all he did was fail, at his best he was average on EastEnders.

Is it really to do with the fact that EastEnders isnt (and shouldn't) be teen centric, and attempts to make it so fail? where as Hollyoaks, bread and butter is its younger characters.

Even after the football moved to ITV, England games were still getting over 6.5m with a few going over 7m. A few examples of those numbers:

Egypt friendly (3/3/10) 7.84m (31.9%) overnight.
Spain Friendly (11/2/09) 6.78m (30.1%) overnight (coverage didn't finish until 11:10pm).
Germany friendly (19/11/08) 7.22m (19/11/08) overnight.

5m for a close, competitive England game has never been the norm.

Regarding The Hour, BBC America co-produced Season 2, so it isn't costing BBC UK as much as Season 1.

Digital Spy is reporting a rating of 1.34 million for the S2 premiere last night. This number will surely increase for the final ratings, and probably get close to the S1 finale (which had a final rating of 1.86 million).

To be fair - haven't the England team gone down a lot in people's estimations in the past 18 months?

that was the point I was trying to make, there isn't a lot of love for England football team

The nation gets behind the team during tournament play, but are more fickle for friendlies and qualifiers

You only have to look at last night's abject performance to see why interest in the England national team is at an all-time low.

Its simple. Hollyoaks has younger demographics than EE. Kirkwood focus was on the younger cast members. This resulted in a proportion of viewers over 30 switching off.

so was the previous Hollyoaks producer not focusing on younger characters?

Whilst ok EE is a bigger soap, all soaps need the same basic skills, long term story plotting etc

No worse than they were under McClaren, if anything slightly better. And people watched them in the Euros when everyone said they were going to flop massively.

A stupid stunt that shouldn't have been done in the first place and now we have this.

https://twitter.com/iankatz1000/stat...72310609252352

"Lord McAlpine's lawyer says top of "very long list" of people he plans to take legal action against is ITV's This Morning programme"

As this is a numbers thread - here's the running total on complaints to Ofcom:

Newsnight - 4
This Morning - 415

(Lucy Manning, Twitter)

Well he had to abandon his biggest EE storyline (the baby swap) because of the sensitive ladies on Mumsnet.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/rating...&contentID=870

The plots were just OTT and stupid. I can't comment what Hollyoaks is like at the momment as I switched off around 2009.

Not to mention all these friendlies are becoming increasingly meaningless. The winners were STV viewers who got a repeat of All Star Mr and Mrs.

No more friendlies now than there have ever been.

Back to the drawing board with that one....

very long list?

Newsnight
This Morning
Sally Bercow
erm..... everybody else on Twitter

From memory one of the last (if not the last?) England friendlies on BBC1 got over 9m.

I'm not 100% certain on this but from memory it was a friendly vs Switzerland at Wembley and it got 9.2m.

Maybe someone can confirm / correct?

yes they were saying on the radio earlier, that his lawyers are going tweet by tweet. Truthfully he would be mad to take action against individual Twitterers, BUT this should be a warning to the Twitter types, not to write that someone is a paedophile, and then act shocked, when the person they write about is innocent, and isnt happy about that.

Indeed!