Ok, shall we add up all the repeats of X Factor on ITV1, ITV2, ITV1+1, ITV2+1etc. and have it come out on top ?

Re Daybreak and the new presenting team's failure to add to the viewers. Where do they expect these viewers to come from? Are they expecting them to defect from BBC1's Breakfast? Cos I don't see that happening ever. Some people on here thought Breakfast would lose out when it moved to Salford, but they've kept much of their team in place and the newer members fit in nicely.

Breakfast television is background whilst you're getting ready to go out. Breakfast works well for that. Friendly presenters offering news, sport, weather, local travel; a bit of banter, a bit of chat. And we breakfast viewers are suppose to give that up for premium-rate phone-ins and annoyingly frequent commercial breaks?

Sorry, ITV, but useless you can sign up William and Kate or Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole as your presenting team, I don't think you're going to see any significent gain in viewing figures. You've reached saturation point.

Sorry to sound like I'm ranting at you, but do you have inside knowledge that ITV see it as a burden? Is it losing money for the company?

BBC Breakfast, IMO, is far superior, and is beating it 2 to 1. But, it is still the most watched commercial breakfast programming in the UK, and I am sure the product placement and advertising slots are making money for them at that time of day.

I'm not so sure about The Price Is Right - especially now that the shopping/buying landscape has changed from being always focussed on the High Street! Blankety Blank I think would do fine.







That was the stupidest thing the BBC agreed to doing in a long while - absolutely crazy in terms of plot. It's killed the show.





ITV will be disappointed with those two - Monroe was always up against it v New Tricks, but they might take some comfort knowing Hunted didn't exactly trample over Homefront in the ratings.




what most people were doing at/after 9pm? Here's a clue - after the watershed....nudge nudge wink wink

Well the BBC3 showing moving later in the evening has seen figures for the repeat fall markedly. Where's the evidence these viewers have relocated to BBC1 ?

Standard year-on-year decline muddies the waters a bit of course, but from what I can tell moving the repeat showing later has done the show no favours whatsoever. Can you find something in the figures to prove me wrong ?

The Big Breakfast wouldn't work again. It appeals to a younger audience which I don't believe are around for Breakfast TV anymore.

They are more likely to pick up their smartphone than switch on the TV.

Though I agree with much of your post, I do not see it as paranoia.

Some posters actually want the successful ITV programmes to fail, and are very vocal about it. There are a fair few posters here who seem to be revelling in the EastEnders downturn to be fair, but, ITV is not often known in these threads for having the most successful programme for 8 weeks of the year in Downton Abbey. Some posters still seem to put the boot into it, and there are others who actually want it to fail. I just don't understand this mentallity.

What's with Being Liverpool going out at 11.05pm tonight on C5 ? Flop ?

looking on Digiguide, is there any news on the Children In Need line up?

If you like.

Or like me, you could appreciate that the days of having to sit in and watch the only showing of a programme on any given day has gone hence the lower viewing figures for many first showings on the main channels.

I don't care if X-Factor is more popular than SCD or not. But I understand that many people have the ability to not have to watch the adverts, so record and watch at leisure. Or they catch it on all the spin-off channels you have listed.

There's always a small minority wanting certain programmes to fail, and examples could occur on any channel. I don't think it's exclusive to ITV. And that's why I use the word paranoia.

When ITV gets it right, they receive widespread praise. See the response to Paul O'Grady's recent series. No negativity there.

It has rated appalingly for a 9pm slot, but ok for an 11pm slot.

I think it came a year too late for Channel 5. If they still had the Eufa Championship football on Thursdays, this show would have probably done very well on a Thursday at around 10pm.

There are so few sporting male orientated shows on Channel 5 which I feel at the moment would direct people to a football documentary. It is not a bad show, it just seems a bit lost.

To be fair, I think that's down to certain posters wanting Simon Cowell shows to fail rather than all of ITV programming.

It is a great British tradition to dislike anyone or anything successful That's why Titantic flopped. Everybody said, "I like Downton Abbey, but that Julian Fellowes seems to be a little bit too pleased with himself so I'm deliberately going to not watch/not like Titanic just to take him down a peg or two."

Also, from where I'm sitting, ITV always seem to be so smug every time they have a big success. That's why I'm particularly enjoying seeing Strictly storming ahead of X Factor on a Saturday and getting perilously close to it on a Sunday.

You're kidding right?

Robbie, one of the most vocal anti-ITV posters on this thread put the full success of that down to it appealing to Corrie fans, and they are too old and lazy to bother changing channel therefore inflating the figures. Same with Downton, yet failing to acknowledge it seems to be the 3rd most watched programme in the 16-34 demo every week.

I agree it is not exclusive to ITV. There are posters here who can not wait to see the odd Emmerdale episode out-rate EastEnders, and are here from 9:35am making their point.

I agree discussing the ratings, and seeing how our favourite channels/programmes rate is the reason why we all come here, but I can not understand the mentality for wanting something popular to fail.

I know you love Channel 5, and you know I am not far behind you with that, but you are one of those people who will watch programmes no matter where they air, if they interest you. Charnham for example will simply not watch ITV at all, yet has a negative opinion on everything they do. This is not paranoia, this is what happens.

I can not believe that if you watch many programmes on say BBC1, that there would be nothing on a particual commercial network which would have some interest for you as a viewer. It's the snobbery thing which you know happens with Channel 5.

I think appalling is perhaps a touch strong. After all, Baggage is sub 500k and that has seemingly retained its slot on primetime Channel 4, so Being Liverpool not retaining its slot with 600k+ on Channel 5 seems slightly harsh in that context.

Having said that, it clearly hasn't done as well as they'd hoped and is some way below both the slot average and the target audience for the slot. I thought it might work coming out of Eddie but not to be. As you've noted, it would have probably rated like a dream coming out of Europa.

I think the fact it's very clearly been made primarily for the US market lets it down slightly as well. The same material presented in a different way could have made for a better programme.

Never mind folks, Patrick's back next Friday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2XD1_KKNA

To a degree, but not completely.

Downton Abbey is the highest rating drama in the UK at the moment, and is a very successful export from ITV. I have actually seen posters on here say it is obviously losing it's appeal because its ratings dropped by 300k over 3 weeks while remaining in the 9m+ field.

I have also seen people post on here, I would do this, that or the other on BBC1, just to dent Downton Abbey. Put something on BBC1 of quality at 9pm on a Sunday for people to watch, sure. But why say you would like to see it simply to dent Downton?

As I've said elsewhere, I don't give 2 hoots what channel a programme is on - if it's on, I'll watch/record it irrespective of the channel. Sadly there are certain posters on here (and 1 in particular) who would be jumping for joy if ITV went bust - you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out they are almost praying for an ITV programme to "flop" . It's pathetic - ITV is a commercial operation supporting thousands and thousands of jobs in the UK, studios, production facilities etc... etc.. and supporting thousands and thousands of jobs in the retail and other industries through sales from advertising.

Loyalties are very entrenched.

I bet the broadcasting community have a good chuckle to this thread every day. *Waves*

The full press release: http://www.channel4.com/info/press/p...2-on-channel-4

Quite surprised Ramsey is doing another Christmas Day cookalong - that's a fairly big commitment two years running. A few highlights in that schedule though for C4 to somehow ruin through poor scheduling.


And the full autumn/winter press pack:
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/p...-new-year-on-4

Most of the drama has been previously announced, with My Big Fat Diary now airing on E4 in January and another new E4 series - Youngers - also announced. C4 still very reliant on one-off and mini-series with no obvious potential returning series in the line up.

C4's factual highlight is Goggle-box - which is basically filming people watching TV Royle Family style. Also a Food Fight series featuring Jamie Oliver and Jimmy Doherty plus Stephen Fry: Gadget Man - which does exactly what it says on the tin.

There is another Mash-Up night confirmed in the New Year with 8 out of 10 Cats do Deal or No Deal and Alan Carr hosting Million Pound Drop, while Made in Chelsea does Shameless, while from the US they're picking up The Mindy Project and Boss along with the previously announced Nashville and The New Normal.

Terry Wogan, Tess Daly, the Newsreaders, cast of EastEnders, a Doctor Who preview and probably Cheryl Cole popping up to mime/plug her latest single, amongst others. Not confirmed, but I doubt I'm wrong!

Eh?? Where do you get this "everybody said" from? The ratings for Titanic were poor - they certainly did sink, but I would hazard a guess it was because the script/story wasn't terribly exciting and the time scale it was shown in was unappealing.

And ITV smug? Why not, if they are? They are a commercial channel in a multi channel environment - they do not have the luxury of the licence fee to rely on.

Will we discuss Holly Willybooby's smugness at the ratings of The Voice after the cough... 1st week?






Robbie can come on here and defend himself if he likes - to be fair to him he will have a go at the BBC if they are not doing so well (recently Waterloo Road).

I am not disputing whether he comments on bad BBC1 ratings or not. He will say if the BBC have a bad rating, and slate them for it.

What I am saying, is that he actually states he would like popular programmes on ITV to fail, and wants the BBC to do anything they can to dent such programmes. This is what baffles me. And in fairness to Robbie, he is not the only one.

What's happened to the DS ratings articles ? Nothing since Monday.

And it baffles me too, given the reasons (choice of viewing, jobs, value to the industry etc..) I have stated above.