I agree that EastEnders is showing signs of trouble from its viewing figures. Its not reaching as high an audience on its premiere broadcast and seems weaker and fragile compared to Coronation Street. The stories have been so badly written lately and without charm from its characters that its now a very different programme. There must be a part of its audience gone missing, it now needs careful handling otherwise it could keep struggling further down the ratings chart.
The Ratings Thread (Part 42)
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Originally Posted by Dancc:
“The standout figure of the night. Easy to lose sight of just how good a rating that is with Monday's frankly ridiculous ratings for Panorama still fresh in the memory.
Derren Brown also did the business nicely for C4. Their overall share looked a little disappointing on first glance, but it was probably just Baggage dragging them down. No change there then! There must have been quite a lift from 20:50 to 21:05.”
“The standout figure of the night. Easy to lose sight of just how good a rating that is with Monday's frankly ridiculous ratings for Panorama still fresh in the memory.
Derren Brown also did the business nicely for C4. Their overall share looked a little disappointing on first glance, but it was probably just Baggage dragging them down. No change there then! There must have been quite a lift from 20:50 to 21:05.”
Graham Norton does really well on Friday but that's pretty much where he really made a name for himself on Channel 4. Alan Carr is getting lost in the shuffle going against him. Derren Brown was Channel 4's top show of the day and I think that's the best Friday 9pm rating in weeks isn't it?
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Surely readers of the Sunday rags are desensitised by the circus that surrounds it now. They are hardly going to go, "Oh, look! King of Charisma Gary Barlow said something mildly unflattering about Tulisa on air! WHAT A GAMECHANGER. Count me in next Saturday."”
“Surely readers of the Sunday rags are desensitised by the circus that surrounds it now. They are hardly going to go, "Oh, look! King of Charisma Gary Barlow said something mildly unflattering about Tulisa on air! WHAT A GAMECHANGER. Count me in next Saturday."”
Once a time (well, up to 2 years ago) every Sunday tabloid would every week between September and December have some TXF story, banner or other fluff on its front page - and an 8 page TXF "news" supplement inside.
I suspect that is not now the case....
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“ITV are still running late now, so the reason for the late running and all the resulting ITV-bashing was obviously just made up by people in this thread
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“ITV are still running late now, so the reason for the late running and all the resulting ITV-bashing was obviously just made up by people in this thread
”
May have a bearing on overnights - it may be that TMO and Ross in particular appear in tomorrow's figures and early reports to be unexpectedly boosted?
I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)
Even for a supposedly declining show X Factor sure generates a lot of comment from committed 'non-viewers'. 
As a loud and proud non-viewer of Strictly Come Dancing I may write a 500 word rant on its shortcomings...
All of the acts (and at least two of the judges) were out on that Wednesday night. I've not seen anything to suggest that it's not a genuine illness. I think people have taken the tabloid stories of her going out (young person in drinking alcohol shocker!) and decided that this is the cause of her not being able to perform. Anyway X Factor isn't setting a precedent here it's happened before and on that occasion it was almost certainly stressed that it was only applicable for one week and that if a contestant can't perform in subsequent weeks they have to leave, no excuses.
Aside from that I do think they put on a good show tonight and actually made more of the Halloween theme than they have in previous years. Despite the ratings this series is picking up for me and I am enjoying it a lot more.
As a loud and proud non-viewer of Strictly Come Dancing I may write a 500 word rant on its shortcomings...
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“There's a difference between genuine illness out of nowhere and self-inflicted damage that prevents one's ability to perform. Do you not agree ?”
“There's a difference between genuine illness out of nowhere and self-inflicted damage that prevents one's ability to perform. Do you not agree ?”
All of the acts (and at least two of the judges) were out on that Wednesday night. I've not seen anything to suggest that it's not a genuine illness. I think people have taken the tabloid stories of her going out (young person in drinking alcohol shocker!) and decided that this is the cause of her not being able to perform. Anyway X Factor isn't setting a precedent here it's happened before and on that occasion it was almost certainly stressed that it was only applicable for one week and that if a contestant can't perform in subsequent weeks they have to leave, no excuses.
Aside from that I do think they put on a good show tonight and actually made more of the Halloween theme than they have in previous years. Despite the ratings this series is picking up for me and I am enjoying it a lot more.
so ITV ratings on Sunday (for Saturday) are best ignored, until they are adjusted (most likely Monday)
An unusual commission for ITV - according to, erm The Star....
Sir Ian McKellen & Sir Derek Jacobi to star in new 6 part ITV sitcom 'Vicious Old Queens'.
They are providing some very specific details about transmission, apparently it's for Friday nights in April.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-in-TV-comedy/
Sir Ian McKellen & Sir Derek Jacobi to star in new 6 part ITV sitcom 'Vicious Old Queens'.
They are providing some very specific details about transmission, apparently it's for Friday nights in April.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-in-TV-comedy/
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Even for a supposedly declining show X Factor sure generates a lot of comment from committed 'non-viewers'.
As a loud and proud non-viewer of Strictly Come Dancing I may write a 500 word rant on its shortcomings...”
“Even for a supposedly declining show X Factor sure generates a lot of comment from committed 'non-viewers'.
As a loud and proud non-viewer of Strictly Come Dancing I may write a 500 word rant on its shortcomings...”
Quote:
“Aside from that I do think they put on a good show tonight and actually made more of the Halloween theme than they have in previous years. Despite the ratings this series is picking up for me and I am enjoying it a lot more.”
“Aside from that I do think they put on a good show tonight and actually made more of the Halloween theme than they have in previous years. Despite the ratings this series is picking up for me and I am enjoying it a lot more.”
I agree, tonight's show was good and this series is actually turning out quite nicely. I'm actually enjoying it a lot more than I enjoyed the live shows last year: the talent is much better and the panel has been improved thanks to Nicole who is doing really well. Gary has been a bit better this year too (although the comment about Tulisa's breath was a bit much!) but I'm not sure if I'd bring him back next year. Tulisa will be gone after this series - I'm pretty certain of that. The ratings seem to have settled and I can't see them budging much, if at all, but it doesn't mean that it isn't a good series, as to be honest after a bad start I think this is shaping up to be one of the better series.
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“An unusual commission for ITV - according to, erm The Star....
Sir Ian McKellen & Sir Derek Jacobi to star in new 6 part ITV sitcom 'Vicious Old Queens'.
They are providing some very specific details about transmission, apparently it's for Friday nights in April.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-in-TV-comedy/”
“An unusual commission for ITV - according to, erm The Star....
Sir Ian McKellen & Sir Derek Jacobi to star in new 6 part ITV sitcom 'Vicious Old Queens'.
They are providing some very specific details about transmission, apparently it's for Friday nights in April.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-in-TV-comedy/”
Oh wow, this sounds rather different. With The Star you can never be sure, but they're normally not too bad with TV stuff and I'd like this to be true. Not so keen on the Friday night slot though.
They seem to know a lot of very specific details about it which makes me think it might well be true.
Originally Posted by Ambassador:
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)”
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)”
Who watches Strictly? About 2 million more than watch the X Factor, including a large proportion of young viewers looking at the figures posted here. Your friends are clearly highly unrepresentative of the general population.
Whatever Gary called Tulisa tonight won't actually change ratings tonight - or next week for that matter. I think we've passed the stage where there's any chance of significant improvement. This week and next week are rarely great for X Factor - close to Halloween and Bonfire night. There's no growth to speak of anyway. I'd imagine it'll come in maybe a bit lower than last week but without any massive change either way. This series hasn't done the job it had to and it's back to the drawing board for next year.
That's one hell of a hangover. I've had some bad ones but none that lasted from a Tuesday night all the way to the weekend. The "shouting so much on her night out" bit interests me as well - were you at Mahiki on Tuesday night? Was there a ratings thread party I wasn't invited too?
In a world where "The Beatles worked best when they were on drugs" is an oft repeated statement about the most celebrated band in music history, I'm not sure Lucy "15 minutes" Spraggan getting drunk on a night out is going to do too much more damage. I doubt 20 years from now we'll be saying, "ah, Lucy was never the same once she gave up the booze".
A fairly broad set. The audience skews very old but there's still a healthy number of 16-34's watching. If the people you know are in that demographic, they're more than twice as likely to watch X Factor and when Strictly is on, they'll probably be watching Take Me Out. But they're also more likely to watch Strictly than most other shows on TV.
X Factor tends to lead by a massive margin in adults 16-34 a smaller margin in adults 35-44, it's 50:50 in adults 45-54 and X Factor also wins comfortably in children 4-15 (who'll all be missing school on Monday cause they got hammered on Sunday night after seeing Lucy Spraggan get away with it.)
It works for both channels. All BBC1 want is the big total audience and that's far easier to achieve by making a show that appeals to older viewers. ITV1 need those hard to reach younger viewers. Whereas I suspect ITV1 would happily trade Corrie for Eastenders (even with its recent lower ratings!) because Eastenders gets more young viewers and BBC1 would be happy with the higher share they'd get out of Corrie.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“XFactor must be starting late. One of their contestants went out clubbing and isnt singing tonight due to her hangover and loss of voice after shouting so much on her night out. So they probably starting late to take into account one fewer singer in the show.”
“XFactor must be starting late. One of their contestants went out clubbing and isnt singing tonight due to her hangover and loss of voice after shouting so much on her night out. So they probably starting late to take into account one fewer singer in the show.”
That's one hell of a hangover. I've had some bad ones but none that lasted from a Tuesday night all the way to the weekend. The "shouting so much on her night out" bit interests me as well - were you at Mahiki on Tuesday night?
Was there a ratings thread party I wasn't invited too?
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“The singing contest where you can progress to the next round without singing a note. That's a good one, that. Just when you thought the whole thing couldn't possibly get any more farcical!
On a more serious note, what sort of message does that send out to the young & impressionable bracket of the audience? It's okay to go out and get ****faced even if you have important responsibilities the next day, they can easily be put off. We've all been there, even primetime TV stars.
Irresponsible can be added to the very long list of things that are wrong with the damaged brand that is X Factor UK. All anyone associated with this poor excuse for entertainment can do is pray that the weather gods have done enough to steady the ship a bit. Can't rule out a small boost either in these fairly brutal weather conditions for the time of year but you'd struggle to find a positive audience turnaround less deserved, if so. As ever in these kind of situations, the audience share percentage might tell us a bit more.”
“The singing contest where you can progress to the next round without singing a note. That's a good one, that. Just when you thought the whole thing couldn't possibly get any more farcical!
On a more serious note, what sort of message does that send out to the young & impressionable bracket of the audience? It's okay to go out and get ****faced even if you have important responsibilities the next day, they can easily be put off. We've all been there, even primetime TV stars.
Irresponsible can be added to the very long list of things that are wrong with the damaged brand that is X Factor UK. All anyone associated with this poor excuse for entertainment can do is pray that the weather gods have done enough to steady the ship a bit. Can't rule out a small boost either in these fairly brutal weather conditions for the time of year but you'd struggle to find a positive audience turnaround less deserved, if so. As ever in these kind of situations, the audience share percentage might tell us a bit more.”
In a world where "The Beatles worked best when they were on drugs" is an oft repeated statement about the most celebrated band in music history, I'm not sure Lucy "15 minutes" Spraggan getting drunk on a night out is going to do too much more damage. I doubt 20 years from now we'll be saying, "ah, Lucy was never the same once she gave up the booze".
Originally Posted by Ambassador:
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?”
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?”
A fairly broad set. The audience skews very old but there's still a healthy number of 16-34's watching. If the people you know are in that demographic, they're more than twice as likely to watch X Factor and when Strictly is on, they'll probably be watching Take Me Out. But they're also more likely to watch Strictly than most other shows on TV.
X Factor tends to lead by a massive margin in adults 16-34 a smaller margin in adults 35-44, it's 50:50 in adults 45-54 and X Factor also wins comfortably in children 4-15 (who'll all be missing school on Monday cause they got hammered on Sunday night after seeing Lucy Spraggan get away with it.)
It works for both channels. All BBC1 want is the big total audience and that's far easier to achieve by making a show that appeals to older viewers. ITV1 need those hard to reach younger viewers. Whereas I suspect ITV1 would happily trade Corrie for Eastenders (even with its recent lower ratings!) because Eastenders gets more young viewers and BBC1 would be happy with the higher share they'd get out of Corrie.
Originally Posted by Score:
“Oh wow, this sounds rather different. With The Star you can never be sure, but they're normally not too bad with TV stuff and I'd like this to be true. Not so keen on the Friday night slot though.
They seem to know a lot of very specific details about it which makes me think it might well be true.”
“Oh wow, this sounds rather different. With The Star you can never be sure, but they're normally not too bad with TV stuff and I'd like this to be true. Not so keen on the Friday night slot though.
They seem to know a lot of very specific details about it which makes me think it might well be true.”
Interestingly, I found this as well...
http://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/pilots...us_old_queens/
TXF losing its way somewhat.....viewers still like the Results show, but the actual pantomine itself is not as gripping.....also people like to go out Saturday nights....SCD viewers are more likely it seems to stay in for the evening.....
Originally Posted by Ambassador:
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)”
“I do wonder who watches Strictly. Is it the Home Counties set?
No-one in the village here seems to watch it and none of my extended family or friends too either. It's seen as being a bit uncool and on too early to settle down with.
On a side note, its not the first time that XF has jumped someone through due to illness.
Last The Thick of It this evening, a solid series which really has played the best of Roger Allam but with entirely unconvincing figures (mind the broadsheets love it)”
No one in the village!!
Have you ever set foot outside the village? And is your Village like the league of gentlemen? The local shop for local people. Sorry Ambassador but I found your post very funny!
Oh Blimey!
Ken
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“I agree that EastEnders is showing signs of trouble from its viewing figures. Its not reaching as high an audience on its premiere broadcast and seems weaker and fragile compared to Coronation Street. The stories have been so badly written lately and without charm from its characters that its now a very different programme. There must be a part of its audience gone missing, it now needs careful handling otherwise it could keep struggling further down the ratings chart.”
“I agree that EastEnders is showing signs of trouble from its viewing figures. Its not reaching as high an audience on its premiere broadcast and seems weaker and fragile compared to Coronation Street. The stories have been so badly written lately and without charm from its characters that its now a very different programme. There must be a part of its audience gone missing, it now needs careful handling otherwise it could keep struggling further down the ratings chart.”
EastEnders hasn't been the same since at least mid 2010. I feel they alienated far too much of their audience on stupid storylines, a much younger focus and appalling continuity. Viewers always take a while to drop off and what you are seeing now is the effects of a bad few years. That said, I do think its better than it has been for a long time. Viewers will not come back overnight however. Its going to take time to win an audience over and rebuild interest.
Emmerdale is in a similar situation however Emmerdale has managed to stay pretty stable. Its audience must have more loyalty.
Someone change the timings on this forum, the clocks have gone back!
I don't predict anything amazing for XF, I would say below 9m average (inc +1), and below 10m peak. Even below 8m as it seems to be going down every week.
I don't predict anything amazing for XF, I would say below 9m average (inc +1), and below 10m peak. Even below 8m as it seems to be going down every week.
Originally Posted by Hit Em Up Style:
“EastEnders hasn't been the same since at least mid 2010. I feel they alienated far too much of their audience on stupid storylines, a much younger focus and appalling continuity. Viewers always take a while to drop off and what you are seeing now is the effects of a bad few years. That said, I do think its better than it has been for a long time. Viewers will not come back overnight however. Its going to take time to win an audience over and rebuild interest.”
“EastEnders hasn't been the same since at least mid 2010. I feel they alienated far too much of their audience on stupid storylines, a much younger focus and appalling continuity. Viewers always take a while to drop off and what you are seeing now is the effects of a bad few years. That said, I do think its better than it has been for a long time. Viewers will not come back overnight however. Its going to take time to win an audience over and rebuild interest.”
I agree with you entirely on that one. To pull back the viewers lost they need a big few storylines and when there are not any they need to prove to the audience that it's still worth watching.
Ken
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Someone change the timings on this forum, the clocks have gone back!
I don't predict anything amazing for XF, I would say below 9m average (inc +1), and below 10m peak. Even below 8m as it seems to be going down every week.”
“Someone change the timings on this forum, the clocks have gone back!
I don't predict anything amazing for XF, I would say below 9m average (inc +1), and below 10m peak. Even below 8m as it seems to be going down every week.”
You have to do that yourself in the settings. I just found out my self!
Ken
X Factor average 8.4m, peak 9.4m (both include +1).
In the context of this years ratings and the fact it was Halloweeen weekend that rating is fine imo.
EDIT: 200k down on last week's peak and average. My above judgement that the rating is fine remains the same.
In the context of this years ratings and the fact it was Halloweeen weekend that rating is fine imo.
EDIT: 200k down on last week's peak and average. My above judgement that the rating is fine remains the same.
ITV reports....The drama team has turned its attentions to 2014, where there are opportunities for early Saturday evening pieces, while more traditional weekday and Sunday night slots must be filled.
could this mean finally an attempt will be made for something on sat night better than when primevil was on and a move away from tired youve been framed (hope so) . with weekday and sunday night slots mentioned could this mean the axing of shows like heart beat and the royal could be reversed etc?
could this mean finally an attempt will be made for something on sat night better than when primevil was on and a move away from tired youve been framed (hope so) . with weekday and sunday night slots mentioned could this mean the axing of shows like heart beat and the royal could be reversed etc?
"@jscummins: ITV1 Ratings - X Factor peaks with 9.4m (average 8.4m) - figures include +1."
So no big change, but we'll have the same discussion as last week aha
So no big change, but we'll have the same discussion as last week aha
Originally Posted by xfactorfan27:
“X Factor average 8.4m, peak 9.4m (both include +1).
In the context of this years ratings and the fact it was Halloweeen weekend that rating is fine imo.”
“X Factor average 8.4m, peak 9.4m (both include +1).
In the context of this years ratings and the fact it was Halloweeen weekend that rating is fine imo.”
So the overnights were under 8 million? yowch.
Originally Posted by Sceptilianus:
“So the overnights were under 8 million? yowch.”
“So the overnights were under 8 million? yowch.”
Not necessarily, last week X factor scored 366k on +1, so likely to still be over 8m. It did not drop significantly despite Halloween which in the context of this years show is good.
before itv had TVam on each morning what was show in the 6am till 9.25 slot before that?
was it just itn news or citv etc??
was it just itn news or citv etc??
Originally Posted by xfactorfan27:
“Not necessarily, last week X factor scored 366k on +1, so likely to still be over 8m. It did not drop significantly despite Halloween which in the context of this years show is good.”
“Not necessarily, last week X factor scored 366k on +1, so likely to still be over 8m. It did not drop significantly despite Halloween which in the context of this years show is good.”
Yeah not to bad for The X Factor. I really don't think I can put up with the same discussion as last week even though I hate the show. It's down on last year! Big deal 8 ,9m still get enjoyment out off it.
Ken
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