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When ITV stopped doing children's shows on weekday afternoons and replaced them with drama repeats ratings went up in the afternoons. I think the same thing will happen with BBC1 as they'll be moving from shows that get a few hundred thousand to ones that could possibly get 1-2m. ITV's 5-6pm shows when they get the right ones do very well. I always recorded The Paul O'Grady Show to watch in the evenings and now I'm doing that with The Chase.
I'm with you on Countdown. Nick Hewer is the charmless man as host. Nobody really bothers with Countdown anymore. Deal Or No Deal is going that way but can still do entertaining shows. What they should do is have several quizzes in rotation rather than all year round. It kills them much quicker. This goes for Pointless and The Chase too. |
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And the Olympic ratings seemed to knock the wind out of rzt's sails as he has only recently returned to act as Notes and Corrections editor in chief to my various BBC-biased broad-brush ratings assumptions (see Palin).
![]() I don't think the Ratings Thread archive shows a single comment from rzt on the Olympics ratings. ...
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Absolutely agree - absense makes the heart grow fonder and all that. At the very least they should be breaking for summer and stations shouldn't be afraid to drop shows for a few days when they're airing a live event - and it actually benefits the station long term, as we've seen with ITV who piloted a couple of cheap shows in the slot while The Chase took a break and potentially found something else they could put into the cycle (even if Tipping Point is awful).
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Thank you very much. Last one: how did ITV1/STV do up in Scotland in that slot? The UK-wide rating for DCI Banks (which did air on STV) was 4.13m (18.0%) exc +1. I'm guessing with stronger BBC One + Two competition, the third channel in Scotland was squeezed. (The combined share for One and Two was 34.4% in Scotland but just 24.8% across the UK as a whole.)
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Wow, The chase is doing really well. I wonder if it could be pushing 4m in the run up to christmas. I believe Pointless got to that figure last year didn't it?
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Neighbours back over a million for the tea time episode yesterday.
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Absolutely agree - absense makes the heart grow fonder and all that. At the very least they should be breaking for summer and stations shouldn't be afraid to drop shows for a few days when they're airing a live event - and it actually benefits the station long term, as we've seen with ITV who piloted a couple of cheap shows in the slot while The Chase took a break and potentially found something else they could put into the cycle (even if Tipping Point is awful).
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DCI Banks averaged 306k (16.3%) on STV.
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Wasn't Bombshell produced by Ben Stephenson, who's since went on to become head of drama for BBC1?
I wonder how the hell he managed to produce a show allegedly so bad it can't be broadcast then slide his way up to the top o the greasy pole at the BBC ... does he have something on someone high up or something?
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I'd have Tipping Point for a few weeks in the Summer leading up to the first few weeks of September and then have The Chase takeover. Have the strong shows in Autumn/Winter where ad rates are highest and a few weeks of Summer but then have the less popular shows on in the warmer (allgedly), months when viewership is traditionally down. What would be ideal for ITV is if The Paul O'Grady Show does return for a few weeks a year. That and The Chase in rotation would be unbeatable in the 5pm slot.
The Chase really is doing so well at the moment though - 3.3-3.5m at 5pm is brilliant. I'll be interested to see how Jonathan & Charlotte did last night as I think it might have bombed quite badly for the reasons Dancc mentioned the other day. |
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Jenny Agutter, Pam Ferris and Miranda Hart are all big, mainstream names.
Call The Midwife is a much easier sell without any star names though. Period dramas on BBC1 nearly always bring in the viewers, it's the safest genre to bring in viewers apart from bog standard cop shows. There's a lot less need to have a big name to sell it than a spy drama which is a genre that hasn't really attracted a mainstream following outside of Spooks. Launching a drama outside that of detective and period dramas without any biggish names to help bring viewers in is always going to be tough. Hunted didn't start very high, overnights of under 4,5m, IIRC. Regardless of whether the show is any good or not, that was a relatively low start for such a well-trailed show, something I would put down to the lack of name recognition. Sorry, but Jeny Agutter, Pam Ferris and Miranda Hart aren't all big mainstream names. Ferris had a high profile 12-15 years ago - but her stock has dwindled since then (nothing to do with her work - as ever, executives have their favourites, and are always moving onto someone new). Agutter is indeed well-known but has, to my knowledge, never led a series of her own. Viewing figures didn't leap when she joined Spooks. And Hart was the star of a BBC2 show - which may since have transferred to BBC One - but, again, hardly a major player. And the characters all three took were not the lead: that part went to someone new - and she is the focus of the show. CTM's success was not a given at all: other period dramas do not automatically succeed (I'd hardly call The Paradise a roaring success), and it launched against two established big hitters on ITV, Dancing On Ice and Wild At Heart, neither of which could beat it. I don't think 'big mainstream names' are an automatic shoe-in to decent ratings in the way they once were. Martin Clunes may have got half-decent ratings in A Mother's Son, but they were hardly comparable to CTM's. And DCI Banks and Monroe show that it doesn't really matter how many big mainstream names are cast in a drama - if the public aren't engaged by the premise and/or writing, it doesn't matter. |
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I concur, DOND six days a week all year round has turned the show into a total bore and lost viewers. However, this is a problem with modern television, successful shows seem to be hammered into the ground, Emmerdale's six episodes a week is a case in point. All this does is turn people against a programme.
As for Emmerdale, as has happened with every soap schedule change over recent years by moving an episode to solve one problem they've opened up another - and arguably the 8pm hour on Thursdays would benefit overall from not having Emmerdale take up half of it. |
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I don't know why C4 have kept DOND six days a week. It's been airing on Sundays lately in a mid-afternoon slot, and next week moves to Saturdays at 12.55pm, with C4 airing a Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall series on Sundays with 5 back to back episodes - a series clearly commissioned for weekdays. Weekend daytime is becoming as boring and repetivtive as weekday daytime now - and axing T4 completely is only going to add C4 to the list of channels not worth turning on during the day at weekends.
As for Emmerdale, as has happened with every soap schedule change over recent years by moving an episode to solve one problem they've opened up another - and arguably the 8pm hour on Thursdays would benefit overall from not having Emmerdale take up half of it. |
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Neighbours back over a million for the tea time episode yesterday.
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At this rate if they don't have a double elimination, they'd settle for a 3-person final, as long as they have the right acts.
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Why would it?
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Bit of a risk the BBC holding an Eric Sykes evening isn't it, given how virtually everyone from the 60's and 70's are currently being accused of being sex fiends, I'd have held off on tribute shows for anyone until things calm down a bit.
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But I think keeping clear of Strictly is the only sensible option. What I'm surprised at is the BBC One is cutting back on the finish time of Strictly as the show gets shorter. I thought they'd be pushing it later, aiming to finish it at 8.20pm every week.
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Yikes! EE beat Emmerdale by just 40k last night. Corrie leading the pack as usual with two good ratings. They all should be rating better now so its abit disappointing to see these low ratings in November. Emmerdale still fairly strong following the 40th Anniversary bump.
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Good news for Channel 5, but the lunchtime episode's share looks very low - less than 7% when it's usually about 10%.
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Well we still love Countdown, at least. It is one of those rare shows where you have to work as hard as the contestants to play along and that way get the most out of it.
Looks like Channel 4 are going for a tripple whammy of afternoon game shows on a regular basis. As yesterday they announced a new daytime one coming for 2013 to presumably be the sandwich show between Countdown and DOND. It is to be presented by Rory Bremner and is called Race the Clock. The premise is that contestants answer questions and build up money by gambling on not running out of time on a ticking clock that they cannot see but the audience at home can. Sounds interesting. But will no doubt get boring once they start dressing them all up as mummies and have to throw brains at the moving clock (in essence the latest gimmick being tried by DOND this week). Not sure where the 40 episodes of The Common Denominator reoported yesterday are going either (daytime, perhaps?) Presented by Phil Spencer (another of the Channel's entertainer/presenters being redeployed). Contestants have to discover the link between seemingly unrelated things (the Eifel tower and Hilton Hotels being the example cited) as in
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Well we still love Countdown, at least. It is one of those rare shows where you have to work as hard as the contestants to play along and that way get the most out of it.
Looks like Channel 4 are going for a tripple whammy of afternoon game shows on a regular basis. As yesterday they announced a new daytime one coming for 2013 to presumably be the sandwich show between Countdown and DOND. It is to be presented by Rory Bremner and is called Race the Clock. The premise is that contestants answer questions and build up money by gambling on not running out of time on a ticking clock that they cannot see but the audience at home can. Sounds interesting. But will no doubt get boring once they start dressing them all up as mummies and have to throw brains at the moving clock (in essence the latest gimmick being tried by DOND this week). Not sure where the 40 episodes of The Common Denominator reoported yesterday are going either (daytime, perhaps?) Presented by Phil Spencer (another of the Channel's entertainer/presenters being redeployed). Contestants have to discover the link between seemingly unrelated things (the Eifel tower and Hilton Hotels being the example cited) as in
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Also I don't know if anyone else has Yahoo, but Sinitta, best friend of Simon Cowell, told Yahoo News that TXF could be cancelled after next year's series. If this is the case, ITV had better get thinking about a replacement as this will leave a massive hole in the schedules. |
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Countdown is an intelligent word game with witty guests. DOND is just tedious box opening and X Factor style sob stories, any chance it will get cancelled soon.
Also I don't know if anyone else has Yahoo, but Sinitta, best friend of Simon Cowell, told Yahoo News that TXF could be cancelled after next year's series. If this is the case, ITV had better get thinking about a replacement as this will leave a massive hole in the schedules. As for Sinitta, well most things "could" happen! |
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WOW!! In the US, ABC won the night with some Family Friendly comedy and Shark Tank at 9
Full story here http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ita-up/156040/ |
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There is also a story now that Cowell is trying to get the previous panel back, though whether this includes himself has to be doubtful given the extension to XF USA.
As for Sinitta, well most things "could" happen! |
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Coronation Street 7:30pm 8.0m (37.2%) +1 131k
Coronation Street 8:30pm 7.8m (32.4%) +1 234k EastEnders 7.2m (30.7%) +2.5 376k Emmerdale 7.1m (34.0%) +1 125k EastEnders very close to being the 3rd soap yet again. I don't recall a situation before where EE has been beaten/been close to being beaten not just as a freak one off but on multiple occasions over the same few weeks. Christmas could be very interesting if these ratings continue. |
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