I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.
The Ratings Thread (Part 42)
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Originally Posted by Robert_Symonds:
“You say it will be less crowded,however we still dont know wants happening to Ripper street.Will the beeb try and nick the sunday 9pm slot and run it with call the midwife.Of course then itv could put it on Monday,but that would leave sunday very weak.”
“You say it will be less crowded,however we still dont know wants happening to Ripper street.Will the beeb try and nick the sunday 9pm slot and run it with call the midwife.Of course then itv could put it on Monday,but that would leave sunday very weak.”
I'm wondering if we'll even see Ripper Street before the end of the year now. Timeslots are rapidly disappearing.
What do we think the chances are of the X Factor final failing to match The Voice's best consolidated figure of 11.991m? Back in August I would have said that was fanciful; I'm not so sure now. The 2011 X Factor final had 13.455m consolidated exc +1 (13.690m inc +1, but +1 will be ignored in our end-of-year chart.) It would require only an 11% fall year-on-year for TXF to be below The Voice. Given the recent falls of 20-25%, that's looking more and more likely.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
Not really a wild prediction considering the only episode to rate below 8m (including +1) last year was the one on against Children In Need.
I'm no fan of IAC but if the line-up mentioned by the Sunday People today proves to be correct, then it seems a good one to me. I sense this will be a very well received series.
Last year it premiered to an overnight audience of 11.76m. However X Factor has 12.65m that night and that is likely to be much lower this year so that is likely to have an effect on IAC. On the plus side (for IAC) it's BBC1 competition will be very weak for a ratings point of view - Andrew Marr's History Of The World.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Last year it premiered to an overnight audience of 11.76m. However X Factor has 12.65m that night and that is likely to be much lower this year so that is likely to have an effect on IAC. On the plus side (for IAC) it's BBC1 competition will be very weak for a ratings point of view - Andrew Marr's History Of The World.”
“Last year it premiered to an overnight audience of 11.76m. However X Factor has 12.65m that night and that is likely to be much lower this year so that is likely to have an effect on IAC. On the plus side (for IAC) it's BBC1 competition will be very weak for a ratings point of view - Andrew Marr's History Of The World.”
Yes, that's Marr's final episode, thank God. The following Sunday, the jungle inhabitants will have to contend with The Secret of Crickley Hall, which will be an interesting clash. Digiguide still has Crickley Hall listed as a documentary.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Not really a wild prediction considering the only episode to rate below 8m (including +1) last year was the one on against Children In Need.
I'm no fan of IAC but if the line-up mentioned by the Sunday People today proves to be correct, then it seems a good one to me. I sense this will be a very well received series.
Last year it premiered to an overnight audience of 11.76m. However X Factor has 12.65m that night and that is likely to be much lower this year so that is likely to have an effect on IAC. On the plus side (for IAC) it's BBC1 competition will be very weak for a ratings point of view - Andrew Marr's History Of The World.”
“Not really a wild prediction considering the only episode to rate below 8m (including +1) last year was the one on against Children In Need.
I'm no fan of IAC but if the line-up mentioned by the Sunday People today proves to be correct, then it seems a good one to me. I sense this will be a very well received series.
Last year it premiered to an overnight audience of 11.76m. However X Factor has 12.65m that night and that is likely to be much lower this year so that is likely to have an effect on IAC. On the plus side (for IAC) it's BBC1 competition will be very weak for a ratings point of view - Andrew Marr's History Of The World.”
It did have a fantastic start and the show really is a decent old trooper for ITV. I'm not a fan these days, but ITV have never overkilled it in the way Channel 4 did to BB, kept it to 90 minutes a night and kept bad language and aggression to a minimum, which probably explains its success and why, unlike most other reality shows, it reaches out to an older audience. Should ratings go up this year, it will prove what a solid format it is. You don't necessarily have to like it to see IACGMOOH is ratings gold and it pays for all these minor sports that I like so much on ITV4.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“It did have a fantastic start and the show really is a decent old trooper for ITV. I'm not a fan these days, but ITV have never overkilled it in the way Channel 4 did to BB, kept it to 90 minutes a night and kept bad language and aggression to a minimum, which probably explains its success and why, unlike most other reality shows, it reaches out to an older audience. Should ratings go up this year, it will prove what a solid format it is. You don't necessarily have to like it to see IACGMOOH is ratings gold and it pays for all these minor sports that I like so much on ITV4.”
“It did have a fantastic start and the show really is a decent old trooper for ITV. I'm not a fan these days, but ITV have never overkilled it in the way Channel 4 did to BB, kept it to 90 minutes a night and kept bad language and aggression to a minimum, which probably explains its success and why, unlike most other reality shows, it reaches out to an older audience. Should ratings go up this year, it will prove what a solid format it is. You don't necessarily have to like it to see IACGMOOH is ratings gold and it pays for all these minor sports that I like so much on ITV4.”
If The X Factor crashes maybe ITV will stick the celebrities in the jungle for ten weeks instead of three to cover the loss in revenue?
In all seriousness; ITV have treated their big hitters very well - much better than Channel 4. The weakness is the unnecessary run times so they can add in extra ad breaks.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“If The X Factor crashes maybe ITV will stick the celebrities in the jungle for ten weeks instead of three to cover the loss in revenue?
In all seriousness; ITV have treated their big hitters very well - much better than Channel 4. The weakness is the unnecessary run times so they can add in extra ad breaks.”
“If The X Factor crashes maybe ITV will stick the celebrities in the jungle for ten weeks instead of three to cover the loss in revenue?
In all seriousness; ITV have treated their big hitters very well - much better than Channel 4. The weakness is the unnecessary run times so they can add in extra ad breaks.”
Somehow this would ruin the show. Three weeks with a break for fitba seems to work well.
Indeed as you say, ITV has its five entertainment big guns and for all IAC is getting on, ratings remain high. IAC is the second longest running reality show in Britain and for all its format is passe, it seems to work. Older viewers warm to Ant and Dec and some of the older junglemates. I'll go for an average of 8 million, with 10 million for the final.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
I have to say the blend of "celebs" for the last two serieses have been very good. I wouldn't say the sky's the limit, but it is in much better stead than the TXF.
IAC benefits hugely from a relatively short run (about 3 weeks) that airs only once a year. There's a lot to be said about less being more, and for the most part (bar the one year when ITV did two series) they've stuck to that format. Plus the warmth of Ant and Dec (who are at their best on this show) and hopefully a good line-up this year should mean it won't be posting any huge y-o-y declines a la X Factor.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yes but he's not really a big name ITV star associated with the network in the same way as Benny Hill, Cannon & Ball or Tommy Cooper. Three series of Who Do You Do, one series of Freddie Starr's Variety Madhouse which he left and they gave to Russ Abbot, the 80's Freddie Starr Show for Central that didn't exactly set the ratings alight. This is a stretch.
Starr is more famous for being a performer than an ITV performer with guest appearances on shows. I doubt many could name his ITV shows off the top of their heads like I could without looking at IMDB. He was notoriously difficult to work with. Rarely did more than one series of anything and never really cracked TV with his own show as it wasn't really suited to TV more like theatres and clubs.
He isn't much of an ITV name at all.”
“Yes but he's not really a big name ITV star associated with the network in the same way as Benny Hill, Cannon & Ball or Tommy Cooper. Three series of Who Do You Do, one series of Freddie Starr's Variety Madhouse which he left and they gave to Russ Abbot, the 80's Freddie Starr Show for Central that didn't exactly set the ratings alight. This is a stretch.
Starr is more famous for being a performer than an ITV performer with guest appearances on shows. I doubt many could name his ITV shows off the top of their heads like I could without looking at IMDB. He was notoriously difficult to work with. Rarely did more than one series of anything and never really cracked TV with his own show as it wasn't really suited to TV more like theatres and clubs.
He isn't much of an ITV name at all.”
Indeed if he's famous for anything it's The Sun headline "Freddie Starr ate my hamster" - something which reads quite differently in light of recent accusations.
Back to ratings and didn't think we'd be seeing sub-8m for The X Factor - and more specifically a clear 2m lead for Strictly. The show has really suffered by producers taking their eye of the ball with the US series and neglecting to fix potential problems before they became real issues.
Even at it's peak a couple of years back the fans of the show themselves were pointing out weaknesses in the audition, boot camp and live show stage - and they've not been addressed at all in the last couple of years. Also kind of like Big Brother the show has stagnated in the last couple of years - over it's first 5-6 years the format evolved and did seem to come back bigger every year, but over the last couple of years especially the only changes they've made has been the judges (still not changing the one that most needed changing!) but the format especially in the live shows is stuck in somewhat of a rutt. I do think in the last couple of years they've been too afraid to admit certain parts might not be working due to them launching with the exact same format in the US (they can't shout about a brand new format stateside if they're changing it here!).
I suspect though the ratings this year will be a real wake up call to the show and they'll do whatever they can to reverse the ratings next year.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I suspect though the ratings this year will be a real wake up call to the show and they'll do whatever they can to reverse the ratings next year.”
“I suspect though the ratings this year will be a real wake up call to the show and they'll do whatever they can to reverse the ratings next year.”
Surely the fall last year should have been a warning call? The problem was the head honchos were so focused on trying to reboot The X Factor USA they hoped a stop gap solution would solve The X Factor UK's ills - or at least stabilise the show. The X Factor USA is in an even worse state this year (to date) so I wonder if they'll take their eye off the ball again when it comes to the UK version?
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“I have to say the blend of "celebs" for the last two serieses have been very good. I wouldn't say the sky's the limit, but it is in much better stead than the TXF.”
“I have to say the blend of "celebs" for the last two serieses have been very good. I wouldn't say the sky's the limit, but it is in much better stead than the TXF.”
It did seem to dip for a few years as the BBC aired Survivors opposite it, but has gained 2 million viewers for the last three series. It is the last of its breed on ITV now, as 71 Degrees North was ditched for poor ratings and Hell's Kitchen closed in 2009, but a damned durable show that delivers ratings and money for ITV.
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I agree ITV needs to be uncovering new hits but I don't think moving X Factor to the summer in order to find them is the way to go. Better to trial new shows in the summer first, rather than moving a still lucrative show away from the most lucrative time of year with the very strong possibility that whatever replaces it will flop massively.
I am still shocked by last night's rating though - it's slipped further than I had ever anticipated.”
“I agree ITV needs to be uncovering new hits but I don't think moving X Factor to the summer in order to find them is the way to go. Better to trial new shows in the summer first, rather than moving a still lucrative show away from the most lucrative time of year with the very strong possibility that whatever replaces it will flop massively.
I am still shocked by last night's rating though - it's slipped further than I had ever anticipated.”
ITV said a few months back that they are hoping to launch a big new entertainment show next Summer:
Quote:
““The ideas need to have the production values of The X Factor, Britain’s Got Talent and I’m a Celebrity… Get Me Out of Here!, and they need a major piece of talent,” Bedell said.
“We get very few pitches for big event shows. They’re risky to commission and propose, but we’re really hungry for them.”
David Bergg, ITV’s director of programme strategy, added that the show was likely to air next summer and that indies should be thinking about the 7-8pm slot on both Saturdays and Sundays.
“Because there is no sports event in 2013, we’ve set aside quite a lot of money for a [big, new long-running entertainment series],” he told producers.
Bedell said the entertainment commissioning team has been increasingly looking abroad for tried-and-tested formats and advised indies to do the same, highlighting Israel as a content hotbed.”
““The ideas need to have the production values of The X Factor, Britain’s Got Talent and I’m a Celebrity… Get Me Out of Here!, and they need a major piece of talent,” Bedell said.
“We get very few pitches for big event shows. They’re risky to commission and propose, but we’re really hungry for them.”
David Bergg, ITV’s director of programme strategy, added that the show was likely to air next summer and that indies should be thinking about the 7-8pm slot on both Saturdays and Sundays.
“Because there is no sports event in 2013, we’ve set aside quite a lot of money for a [big, new long-running entertainment series],” he told producers.
Bedell said the entertainment commissioning team has been increasingly looking abroad for tried-and-tested formats and advised indies to do the same, highlighting Israel as a content hotbed.”
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...043813.article
I think they realise that X Factor isn't going to last forever a d want to find the next big thing. Not sure whether Splash is the show that will air next Summer or not as I would think they'd want it on air sooner than that so it might be something else. At least they seem to realise that they need to spend a bit of money and not just produce some knock off rubbish on the cheap as it'll die a death. They recently poached Shu Greene (one of the creators of X Factor and BGT) from Syco to work at ITV Studios making new shows so something might come of that.
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“I believe this is true and it was changed at the last minute. They then brought DCI Banks forward from 2013.”
“I believe this is true and it was changed at the last minute. They then brought DCI Banks forward from 2013.”
Yeah I gathered that had happened too. Probably for the best as Selfridge will be able to have a Sunday slot in January, which it suits much better than Wednesdays, whilst Banks has done reasonably on Wednesdays.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
“I wonder how IAC will do this year. I think if the celebs are good, we're looking at 8 million a night.”
I think it will do better then The X Factor on Saturday night
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I think it will do better then The X Factor on Saturday night”
“I think it will do better then The X Factor on Saturday night
”
Don't tell Simon Cowell that. However, X still does decent business for ITV and I think we'll see another series. Yet it must be worrying for Cowell as the second series of ROB stiffed and some of his projects in America and Australia aren't faring well.
put the xfactor performace show on sunday nights 7 till 9 followed by downton then the results show on a weekday night and let bbc have there big sat night with celebs danceing n itv have therer big night sundays
18/08/12: 8.1m (39.4%), *peak: 9.4m (45.3%)
26/08/12: 8.4m (36.1%), *peak: 10.31m (43.67%)
01/09/12: 8.2m (35.0%), *peak: 9.2m (37.64%)
08/09/12: 7.7m (33.9%), *peak: 8.8m (37.1%)
09/09/12: 7.4m (30.2%), *peak: 8.24m
15/09/12: 8.6m (39.5%), *peak: 9.46m (41.47%)
16/09/12: 9.3m (36.4%), *peak: 10.78m (40.54%)
22/09/12: 7.9m (34.0%), *peak:
23/09/12: 8.9m (33.6%), *peak: 10.3m
29/09/12: 8.3m (35.9%),
30/09/12: 9.5m (35.4%), *peak: 10.63m (37.65%)
06/10/12: 8.7m (33.9%),
07/10/12: 9.4m (31.9%)
13/10/12: 8.7m (36.2%)
14/10/12: 9.4m (35.3%),
20/10/12: 8.2m (34.8%)
21/10/12: 9.3m (34.7%)
27/10/12: 8.1m (34.8%)
28/10/12: 8.9m (33.6%)
03/11/12: 7.6m (32.3%)
Pretty much all I could find off Broadcast
26/08/12: 8.4m (36.1%), *peak: 10.31m (43.67%)
01/09/12: 8.2m (35.0%), *peak: 9.2m (37.64%)
08/09/12: 7.7m (33.9%), *peak: 8.8m (37.1%)
09/09/12: 7.4m (30.2%), *peak: 8.24m
15/09/12: 8.6m (39.5%), *peak: 9.46m (41.47%)
16/09/12: 9.3m (36.4%), *peak: 10.78m (40.54%)
22/09/12: 7.9m (34.0%), *peak:
23/09/12: 8.9m (33.6%), *peak: 10.3m
29/09/12: 8.3m (35.9%),
30/09/12: 9.5m (35.4%), *peak: 10.63m (37.65%)
06/10/12: 8.7m (33.9%),
07/10/12: 9.4m (31.9%)
13/10/12: 8.7m (36.2%)
14/10/12: 9.4m (35.3%),
20/10/12: 8.2m (34.8%)
21/10/12: 9.3m (34.7%)
27/10/12: 8.1m (34.8%)
28/10/12: 8.9m (33.6%)
03/11/12: 7.6m (32.3%)
Pretty much all I could find off Broadcast
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Surely the fall last year should have been a warning call? The problem was the head honchos were so focused on trying to reboot The X Factor USA they hoped a stop gap solution would solve The X Factor UK's ills - or at least stabilise the show. The X Factor USA is in an even worse state this year (to date) so I wonder if they'll take their eye off the ball again when it comes to the UK version?”
“Surely the fall last year should have been a warning call? The problem was the head honchos were so focused on trying to reboot The X Factor USA they hoped a stop gap solution would solve The X Factor UK's ills - or at least stabilise the show. The X Factor USA is in an even worse state this year (to date) so I wonder if they'll take their eye off the ball again when it comes to the UK version?”
I think last year though they could kind of brush aside the ratings drop with weaker talent, the change in judges and the slight cushion of the auditions actually being up. This year the talent is generally agreed to be better and the only change in the judging line up is seen as a positive - yet the ratings have dropped further, so I think they'll realise they need to look at the real reasons viewers aren't tuning in rather than the superficial excuses.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I'm wondering if we'll even see Ripper Street before the end of the year now. Timeslots are rapidly disappearing.”
“I'm wondering if we'll even see Ripper Street before the end of the year now. Timeslots are rapidly disappearing.”
I must say Im looking forward to this, and maybe it would be suited to the run up to Christmas with presumably a Dickensian atmospheric feel. However IAC makes it very difficult for any new series to find an attractive spot.
Garrows Law did ok on Sundays but that was cancelled.
Yeah I gathered that had happened too. Probably for the best as Selfridge will be able to have a Sunday slot in January, which it suits much better than Wednesdays, whilst Banks has done reasonably on Wednesdays.[/quote]
I'm not so,sure.as I've said previously,what would they do if the beeb went for a combo of call the midwife and ripper street,and they could start the Sunday after Xmas.
I'm not so,sure.as I've said previously,what would they do if the beeb went for a combo of call the midwife and ripper street,and they could start the Sunday after Xmas.
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“18/08/12: 8.1m (39.4%), *peak: 9.4m (45.3%)
26/08/12: 8.4m (36.1%), *peak: 10.31m (43.67%)
01/09/12: 8.2m (35.0%), *peak: 9.2m (37.64%)
08/09/12: 7.7m (33.9%), *peak: 8.8m (37.1%)
09/09/12: 7.4m (30.2%), *peak: 8.24m
15/09/12: 8.6m (39.5%), *peak: 9.46m (41.47%)
16/09/12: 9.3m (36.4%), *peak: 10.78m (40.54%)
22/09/12: 7.9m (34.0%), *peak:
23/09/12: 8.9m (33.6%), *peak: 10.3m
29/09/12: 8.3m (35.9%),
30/09/12: 9.5m (35.4%), *peak: 10.63m (37.65%)
06/10/12: 8.7m (33.9%),
07/10/12: 9.4m (31.9%)
13/10/12: 8.7m (36.2%)
14/10/12: 9.4m (35.3%),
20/10/12: 8.2m (34.8%)
21/10/12: 9.3m (34.7%)
27/10/12: 8.1m (34.8%)
28/10/12: 8.9m (33.6%)
03/11/12: 7.6m (32.3%)
Pretty much all I could find off Broadcast”
“18/08/12: 8.1m (39.4%), *peak: 9.4m (45.3%)
26/08/12: 8.4m (36.1%), *peak: 10.31m (43.67%)
01/09/12: 8.2m (35.0%), *peak: 9.2m (37.64%)
08/09/12: 7.7m (33.9%), *peak: 8.8m (37.1%)
09/09/12: 7.4m (30.2%), *peak: 8.24m
15/09/12: 8.6m (39.5%), *peak: 9.46m (41.47%)
16/09/12: 9.3m (36.4%), *peak: 10.78m (40.54%)
22/09/12: 7.9m (34.0%), *peak:
23/09/12: 8.9m (33.6%), *peak: 10.3m
29/09/12: 8.3m (35.9%),
30/09/12: 9.5m (35.4%), *peak: 10.63m (37.65%)
06/10/12: 8.7m (33.9%),
07/10/12: 9.4m (31.9%)
13/10/12: 8.7m (36.2%)
14/10/12: 9.4m (35.3%),
20/10/12: 8.2m (34.8%)
21/10/12: 9.3m (34.7%)
27/10/12: 8.1m (34.8%)
28/10/12: 8.9m (33.6%)
03/11/12: 7.6m (32.3%)
Pretty much all I could find off Broadcast
”
Found some more but all these include +1:
06/10/12: 8.7m (33.9%) peak: 10.3m
07/10/12: 9.4m (31.9%) peak: 11.4m
13/10/12: 8.7m (36.2%)
14/10/12: 9.4m (35.3%)
20/10/12: 8.2m (34.8%) peak: 9.6m
21/10/12: 9.3m (34.7%) peak: 11.2m
27/10/12: 8.1m (34.8%) peak: 9.4m
28/10/12: 8.9m (33.6%) peak: 10.7m
03/11/12: 7.6m (32.3%) peak: 8.6m
From Jenny Cummins' twitter.
I hope strictly come dancing keeps it momenteum and doesn't see the X Factor dip as a chance to just rest on its laurels, there's a few bits of tightening up it could use to an already entertaining show.
Originally Posted by robbaza:
“Yeah I gathered that had happened too. Probably for the best as Selfridge will be able to have a Sunday slot in January, which it suits much better than Wednesdays, whilst Banks has done reasonably on Wednesdays.”
“Yeah I gathered that had happened too. Probably for the best as Selfridge will be able to have a Sunday slot in January, which it suits much better than Wednesdays, whilst Banks has done reasonably on Wednesdays.”
I'm not so,sure.as I've said previously,what would they do if the beeb went for a combo of call the midwife and ripper street,and they could start the Sunday after Xmas.[/quote]
Ripper Street is 8 episodes. Call The Midwife is 8 episodes, but does that include the Christmas special or is that extra to the 8.
Ripper Street and Midwife seem like strange bedfellows, but the BBC may see Ripper as having a touch of Sherlock about it (although Midwife and Sherlock only sat together for one week). I'd like to see BBC1 go with:
8.00 Call The Midwife
9.00 Miranda
9.30 Mrs Brown's Boys
with Ripper Street feeling right for a Monday night slot, although perhaps BBC1 will avoid such a comedy double bill so that they can run the repeats in that Sunday night slot in the Autumn opposite Downton Abbey.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I'm not so,sure.as I've said previously,what would they do if the beeb went for a combo of call the midwife and ripper street,and they could start the Sunday after Xmas.”
“I'm not so,sure.as I've said previously,what would they do if the beeb went for a combo of call the midwife and ripper street,and they could start the Sunday after Xmas.”
Ripper Street is 8 episodes. Call The Midwife is 8 episodes, but does that include the Christmas special or is that extra to the 8.
Ripper Street and Midwife seem like strange bedfellows, but the BBC may see Ripper as having a touch of Sherlock about it (although Midwife and Sherlock only sat together for one week). I'd like to see BBC1 go with:
8.00 Call The Midwife
9.00 Miranda
9.30 Mrs Brown's Boys
with Ripper Street feeling right for a Monday night slot, although perhaps BBC1 will avoid such a comedy double bill so that they can run the repeats in that Sunday night slot in the Autumn opposite Downton Abbey.[/quote]
Do we know that CTM will be going out at the same time off year yet? I heard that it may be on later in the year.
Ken
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