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The Ratings Thread (Part 42)
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Pizzatheaction
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“This woman! Some of the tweets she has put in the last few weeks have been disgusting, less about what Savile has done and more about how can we twist this against the BBC. Very, very poor journalist and I bet she's celebrating tonight”

From what I've seen the whole ITV News agenda has been like that.
iaindb
10-11-2012
BBC1 ran a trailer tonight for the new series of Live At The Apollo starting next Saturday. This means from herein Strictly can't finish on a Saturday after 8pm as their schedule will be...

8.00 Merlin
8.45 Lottery
8.55 Casualty
9.45 Apollo
10.15 News
10.30 MOTD

BBC1 has also started the trailers for their two big upcoming dramas, The Secret Of Crinkley Bottom() and Last Tango In Halifax.
NeilVW
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Wryip:
“The Director General may be a bumbling fool,but do the BBC really feel that sacking him (or him resigning) will solve the Savile Scandal? Savile was dead before he took the post and was he even in charge when Newsnight shelved their original report?”

He wasn't DG at the time but he was Director of Vision (head of TV in BBC-speak) so he was in the chain of command, sort of one level down from the DG of the time (Mark Thompson).
Agent F
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The X Factor will probably be in the 7m's tonight. Why? Because they had all the performances and then the last 10 minutes was a One Direction performance. In fact, the performances had finished and the Sky+ had a running time of 17 minutes left.”

Ironically this was probably done to boost ratings as they've been desperately plugging One Direction all week, but like you I can see it having the opposite effect.
cylon6
10-11-2012
No surpprise about Entwhistle resigning.

Originally Posted by ozoo:
“George Entwistle has just resigned.”

More here.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...e?referrer=RSS

BBC never recovered from The Hutton Inquiry.
Digital Sid
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“From what I've seen the whole ITV News agenda has been like that.”

Sky's and The Mail's too. If attempting to close to the BBC is the best shot any of them have of overtaking the Beeb then they may as well close themselves.
Brekkie
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Ironically this was probably done to boost ratings as they've been desperately plugging One Direction all week, but like you I can see it having the opposite effect.”

Obviously spun as a way to boost ratings but I suspect they're having guests on Saturdays now to fill the spot vacated by Lucy with ITV not being willing to cut an ad break out of the show by shortening it (though tonights show could have been 15 minutes shorter without losing any ads).

Also if it is for ratings doesn't really help that ITV2 showed them doing exactly the same performance on the US version last night.
Andy23
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“Sky's and The Mail's too. If attempting to close to the BBC is the best shot any of them have of overtaking the Beeb then they may as well close themselves.”

The BBC themselves do a very good job of attempting to close themselves down, with the recent Panorama/endless 'investigations' as headline news etc.
Andy23
10-11-2012
Christmas special of Jonathan Ross has been announced. Probably airing either on Sat 22nd or Christmas Eve I would have thought.
Agent F
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Obviously spun as a way to boost ratings but I suspect they're having guests on Saturdays now to fill the spot vacated by Lucy with ITV not being willing to cut an ad break out of the show by shortening it (though tonights show could have been 15 minutes shorter without losing any ads).

Also if it is for ratings doesn't really help that ITV2 showed them doing exactly the same performance on the US version last night.”

Still seemed odd to leave them until the end though. Would have been better as an 'interval act' to stop people from switching off as soon as all the acts had performed, as I suspect quite a few did.
Agent F
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“From what I've seen the whole ITV News agenda has been like that.”

Although ironically the BBC is probably its own worst enemy. Bit fed up of this self-flagellating now. They need to grow some balls.
Hassaan13
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“The X Factor will probably be in the 7m's tonight. Why? Because they had all the performances and then the last 10 minutes was a One Direction performance. In fact, the performances had finished and the Sky+ had a running time of 17 minutes left.”

It finished around 7-8 minutes earlier aswell. It seems that they couldn't slot in three performances in one results show unless they extend it by 15 minutes which has only happened once (series 7, results show six).

I probably agree with you. It might be a few hundred thousand up on last weeks show (probably 7.8-7.9m?) but I don't expect to see a huge jump. If it does, however, I will be quite shocked.
D.M.N.
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The BBC themselves do a very good job of attempting to close themselves down, with the recent Panorama/endless 'investigations' as headline news etc.”

This is not the thread for it in any way, shape or form, but at least they bring themselves to the limelight and hold themselves accountable, unlike other media organisations....
NeilVW
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Although ironically the BBC is probably its own worst enemy. Bit fed up of this self-flagellating now. They need to grow some balls.”

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The BBC themselves do a very good job of attempting to close themselves down, with the recent Panorama/endless 'investigations' as headline news etc.”

The self-flagellation is essential to the BBC's reputation for impartiality; bit of a paradox as it helps to damage its reputation at the same time.

EDIT: What D.M.N. said.
Pizzatheaction
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Although ironically the BBC is probably its own worst enemy. Bit fed up of this self-flagellating now. They need to grow some balls.”

Agreed.
square_eyes
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“This is not the thread for it in any way, shape or form, but at least they bring themselves to the limelight and hold themselves accountable, unlike other media organisations....”

I haven't noticed any difference in the tone of reporting by BBC, ITV or Sky.

But seems that where it's the BBC it's 'being accountable' whilst for anyone else it's having a go.
James J
10-11-2012
Best episode of XF in at least two years tonight IMO.

May be too late though,.
Hassaan13
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Best episode of XF in at least two years tonight IMO.

May be too late though,.”

First person I have heard say that.

The ratings, as well as the time the peak came, will be interesting.
welshfoxy
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Best episode of XF in at least two years tonight IMO.

May be too late though,.”

What was so good about it?
Andy23
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“First person I have heard say that.

The ratings, as well as the time the peak came, will be interesting.”

So much has been written about it on here, many will struggle to find any TXF ratings 'interesting'

The launch of I'm a Celeb on Sunday night will be more interesting.
Chris1964
10-11-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“really cant see them axing Newsnight, even revamping it, just need to get rid of a couple of execs, and hopefully that will be enough, to stop this, its absurd now.

I really see no reason for Entwistle to go, over this.”

Now that he has gone I think Newsnight as a brand is in more danger.

Sun headline is:

Bye

Bye

Chump
Digital Sid
11-11-2012
Sky and ITV struggling to hide their delight at Entwistle's resignation.
Chris1964
11-11-2012
Originally Posted by Digital Sid:
“Sky and ITV struggling to hide their delight at Entwistle's resignation.”

Ben Bradshaw staunchly defending GE on BBC now-there are many shades of opinion clearly,
JCR
11-11-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“BBC1 ran a trailer tonight for the new series of Live At The Apollo starting next Saturday. This means from herein Strictly can't finish on a Saturday after 8pm as their schedule will be...

8.00 Merlin
8.45 Lottery
8.55 Casualty
9.45 Apollo
10.15 News
10.30 MOTD.”

Apollo is a six week run, the first show is Dara O Briain, Nina Conti and Danny Bhoy.

The other 5 weeks have the following comics- Rhod Gilbert, Kerry Godliman, Jon Richardson, Kevin Bridges, Sara Pascoe, Phill Jupitus, Lee Nelson, Stewart Francis, Paul Chowdhry, Greg Davies, Hal Cruttenden, Simon Evans, Omid Djalili and Julian Clary.

Business as usual, pretty much.

Source www.chortle.co.uk
C14E
11-11-2012
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“There is no chance in hell Schofield will be sacked by ITV bosses - they rate him (and he is one of the best presenters around) and as he's been given high profile Royal gigs lately they obviously want to encourage him to tackle traditional news ground rather than shy away from it.

The real issue should be with David Cameron - yes, it might be a witch hunt but surely after the Saville scandal he should be taking any such accusation seriously and not just dismissing it by basically saying "no, they're not paedos, they're gay!". Given Cameron's record as a boss though I suspect even if one of his MPs was outed as a 100% confirmed paedo he wouldn't have the guts to sack them. It's plebs he likes putting out of work after all.”

Schofield will survive, although it might put a dent in his standing in the short run. As for Cameron, the gay thing may have been unnecessary but he was certainly right to dismiss that particular piece of "research".

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“TMO's big plus is that it rates very well among 16-34 year olds. Can someone confirm - am I right in saying that it outrates Strictly in that age group?”

From the demos I've seen from Rzt, yes it does. It's usually the #2 show (excluding soaps) among 16-34's after X Factor.

Originally Posted by Wryip:
“The Director General may be a bumbling fool,but do the BBC really feel that sacking him (or him resigning) will solve the Savile Scandal? Savile was dead before he took the post and was he even in charge when Newsnight shelved their original report?”

He was Director of Vision at the time (a ridiculously pretentious title for "Head of TV", got to keep the HR department busy I guess!). So he was very much in the chain of command and some of the questions from MP's focussed on his time in that role (as we so often hear at parliament these days, he wasn't 100% sure, he didn't know it was happening, he didn't think to ask...).

He ultimately had to go, he's very damaged goods. The error here might be letting him go so soon. The press are loving this, especially after the phone hacking thing. But he was a shield - the public weren't impressed, the media weren't impressed so he was a good target. And providing target practice is the main reason people like Jeremy Hunt and Rebekah Brooks (have) kept their jobs. They desperately need to stop screwing up or else there will need to be another target.

It has been a spectacular mess. Who'd have thought that one week ago, with such desire to change the news agenda and focus on "political paedos", the BBC would again find itself at the centre of a public storm?
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