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Hello Mike
Will we see online measurements coming into BARB ratings soon or is it still a work in progress? ![]() I don't think BARB will do anything beyond an occasion report/study within their News section (but don't hold me to that) |
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5.50m for the TG Bond Special - cracking timeshift, cracking rating, even out of usual slot. The BSI should have had far more confidence in this and let it damage the wounding and flailing TXF still further.
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not that sort of change
![]() I don't think BARB will do anything beyond an occasion report/study within their News section (but don't hold me to that) ![]() Quote:
It meant that New Tricks suffered so they're not that bright to me.
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The problem is that two years ago when X Factor were ruling the roost they wouldn't mind a clash and when the did clash with Strictly in 2009 they won comprehensively. Before that Strictly used to win in a clash. Now neither side wants a clash and lose ratings so if X Factor is on earlier Strictly will be on afterwards. Put money on that one!
ITV and BBC1 used to have two or three shows together on Saturdays that would get at least 7m+ but now they have one big show and some small shows. A case can be made that the reason there are smaller shows is because they clash with X Factor/Strictly. I disagree about your thinking on Take Me Out as ITV keep building it as a bigger show than it is. It is no Takeaway or TV Burp and always crumbles in the face of decent competition. It's more a case that ITV expected 10-12m to tune in at 8pm for X Factor regardless of lead in and that hasn't happened this time. 8.00-8.20pm is a good time but the problem to me seems that X Factor is needlessly long to fit in more ad breaks. It ends up having the opposite effect as less people are tuning in due to the show being too long. TMO is half decent in my eyes. It's not as good as Blind Date, but it can provide a 5-7million audience with better scheduling/slight format tweak I think I may have said before, but I don't mind repeating myself......... my ITV schedule would be.... up to 6pm News, 30 min LE show 6-7pm - LE a la Blind Date/US import a la Baywatch/A Team/Lois & Clark/Macgyver 7-8.30pm TXF/DoI/Takeaway 8.30-9pm - quiz 9pm-10pm - chatshow 10-10.15pm News 10.15pm Film could swap 10pm News for 9pm and have chatshow start at 9.15pm |
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With the 2011 series rallying in week 6 with the contestant explusion and Amelia's return, the year on year declines for X Factor this weekend have been particularly grim. The 28% decline for the results show is the single biggest year on year fall in the shows history.
The good news is that over the next few weeks the 2011 series fell back. So even if this series only holds the same numbers as this week then the comparisons should improve (and by that I mean be not quite so huge). But that's not exactly much consolation. It's at the stage now where I think Cowell maybe needs to do what he did with Pop Idol and X Factor. Same basic elements, twist the format here and there, and relaunch with a new brand. |
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You're about to upload the missing ratings between 1981 and 1998?
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With the 2011 series rallying in week 6 with the contestant explusion and Amelia's return, the year on year declines for X Factor this weekend have been particularly grim. The 28% decline for the results show is the single biggest year on year fall in the shows history.
The good news is that over the next few weeks the 2011 series fell back. So even if this series only holds the same numbers as this week then the comparisons should improve (and by that I mean be not quite so huge). But that's not exactly much consolation. It's at the stage now where I think Cowell maybe needs to do what he did with Pop Idol and X Factor. Same basic elements, twist the format here and there, and relaunch with a new brand.
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I don't think I said anyone used the word 'poor' Jake, I was referring to this...
...which as far as I'm concerned shows a pretty obvious agenda. It's very easy to pick up on the y-o-y decline even though everyone was anticipating it. IMO if the only comment you're going to make about that rating is that it's down and 'all of ITV's big reality shows are in decline' then there's an agenda. I don't think my post was 'hysterical' as you put it, I'm just a bit bored of the same old tripe that's constantly spouted in this thread about ITV's so-called ratings crisis. Any kind of credit is given through gritted teeth. I find it hilarious that people actually think this thread is biased towards ITV. |
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like I said about clash..... tough. Both show take a hit, but equally they would suck up so much programming budget
TMO is half decent in my eyes. It's not as good as Blind Date, but it can provide a 5-7million audience with better scheduling/slight format tweak I think I may have said before, but I don't mind repeating myself......... my ITV schedule would be.... up to 6pm News, 30 min LE show 6-7pm - LE a la Blind Date/US import a la Baywatch/A Team/Lois & Clark/Macgyver 7-8.30pm TXF/DoI/Takeaway 8.30-9pm - quiz 9pm-10pm - chatshow 10-10.15pm News 10.15pm Film could swap 10pm News for 9pm and have chatshow start at 9.15pm |
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Good strong figure, although I think it has had 5m before now when TXF was getting large Saturday night audiences.
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Mind you I was always a big Richard and Judy fan and it was never the same after they left. However, I am one of these throwbacks to the past.
Phil made no reference at all to the incident on today's show (though did look to me a bit awkward when they were discussing the resignations at the BBC). Nick Ferarri said something about everyone making mistakes and we should move on as the focus on journalists was in danger of distracting from the real story of the actual abuse. Maybe I was misunderstanding but it almost felt like he was seeking to reassure Phil. After that Phil perked up as the programme went on and he seemed more like his old self by the end. When Ann Widdecombe and Craig Revell Horwood were on talking about strictly and Ann was massively disparaging about I'm A Celebrity and how it was a symptom of TV at its worst, Phil enjoyed sparring with her. Interesting to see him sympathise with Craig about Fern over her departing Strictly last weekend. First time she has been mentioned in a while.
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there were only 2 series of Pop Idol, I think the 'change' was more about Mr Cowell getting a better deal out of programme that any format changes for PI. That show was better purely because it didn't turn into a "judge's ego" show - in my opinion of course
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Another great number for Strictly - I'm forever surprised at how many people are willing to watch a recorded results show, and how well the media generally keep schtum about the result. Yes, you can find it on the DS boards, but the popular media never seem to spill.
Also a fantastic figure for I'm a Celebrity. I've always found this one baffling to explain, but for the past few years I've credited XF for it's revival. Clearly, it's more than capable of sustaining itself, though. Interesting to see Andrew Marr rise. It just goes to prove that Downton is the single most difficult opposition for BBC One to schedule against all year long. With all of ITV's other major offerings - BGT, XF, IAC - they can retreat to the sort of comfy ABC1-skewing content that is their trademark. Uniquely, with Downton Abbey, that doesn't work for them. I imagine the subject of Marr helped last night, too - he was into the 20th Century. People are fundamentally happier watching a documentary about Hitler and recent history than they would have been a few weeks ago, studying the significance of the rise of the Mongol Empire! (More's the pity - I love a bit of history, and its a shame there doesn't seem to be an audience there on primetime BBC One for it. I hope they keep trying, in different ways.) |
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better late than never
data for week ending 4th November 2012 now live on BARB "a change is gonna come" ![]()
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The only small comfort for XF is that its 8m on a Saturday night looks positely stellar compared to the rest of the schedule. 6pm - 8pm is a disaster.
ITV have nothing to dent SCD, TV Burp was perfect in that sense as it brought a different audience, even Family Fortunes made a better job of what they have now. |
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Holly did present it very well solo when Phil vanished for his 'audience' with 'M' during Bond premiere week - leaving her high and dry for half the show that day!
However, I will be somewhat shocked if Philip resigns (or is pushed) as it would not just effect This Morning but other ITV shows that he hosts. If anyone goes IMO it will be behind the scenes as, whilst his actions were certainly a little rash, the crew had to know what was on the paper and the importance of keeping it off camera. If Phil sprang it on them it might be another matter. Or indeed if OFCOM find a case to answer (not sure they will as if asking the PM tough questions about things in the newspapers that day is now outlawed it wil have far reaching implications way beyond This Morning and not good ones). Very rash his over reliance on the net might have been. Hopefully it will curb him of that. Indeed one of the papers today says he has been harranged this weekend with someone even screaming through his letter box for answers as to what he will now do! And he has been quiet on Twitter they also claim. Will be interesting to see what he says tomorrow when due back on TM (hard to imagine it will be ignored at that start of the show). If he does leave then maybe it will mean a promotion for Bradley Walsh (he has just appeared with Holly on Surprise, Surprise and who knows that could be a trial run! ) |
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Do we know if there is a specific group of viewers that are turning off X-Factor? Personally I suspect more folks have engaged their bullchit antenna & aren't prepared to be watch fakery any longer.
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The only small comfort for XF is that its 8m on a Saturday night looks positely stellar compared to the rest of the schedule. 6pm - 8pm is a disaster.
ITV have nothing to dent SCD, TV Burp was perfect in that sense as it brought a different audience, even Family Fortunes made a better job of what they have now. |
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I must be reading a completely different article to you then, as there are various mentions of where she feels the show could improve. One of her answers about Kat certainly sticks out.
The interview seems to have gone down well for the most part on the soaps forum. I realise that Newman ran over your puppy when you were just a wee lad but you ought to realise that she isn't going to magically improve ratings overnight. Ratings which have remained quite consistent actually, compared to the erratic nature of figures for certain other soaps. So what's the excuse for Fridays abysmal rating, beaten by Emmerdale, the show is a mess and no amount of excuses can hide that. |
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I appeared on This Morning several times whilst Richard and Judy were hosts (mostly from Albert Dock but once after they moved to London). They were always a joy to work with and Richard was a stickler for research up front. I recall being asked in an hour early one time just so we could discuss the best way to do a feature before going live. I have never been on the show since they left and so not sure this happens now.
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She's producing a soap opera, not running the country...
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Another great number for Strictly - I'm forever surprised at how many people are willing to watch a recorded results show, and how well the media generally keep schtum about the result. Yes, you can find it on the DS boards, but the popular media never seem to spill.
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Did she run over my puppy, strange I never knew I had one.
So what's the excuse for Fridays abysmal rating, beaten by Emmerdale, the show is a mess and no amount of excuses can hide that. They are not going to shoot up until there are storylines which warrant it - probably Xmas now. I don't know what you are expecting for what are generally filler eps. Maybe the episodes should be stronger for this time of year but a lot of that will be down to the previous producer and it is a separate matter entirely.This is a ratings thread. For what the episodes are it is not rating badly at all. The other two are hardly doing much better. |
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Thank Christ because she is crap at that.
![]() Sorry but to me it feels like you have a personal vendetta and therefore there is no constructive discussion to be had with you on the subject of EE. |
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Friday night soaps:
Emmerdale - 7.26m (34.6%) [+1 162k] Coronation St - 8.24m (37.6%) [+1 196k] Eastenders - 6.82m (30.2%) [+2.5 520k] Coronation St - 7.83m (33.7%) [+1 296k] Emmerdale - 7.04m (32.9%) Coronation St - 8.32m (37.2%) Eastenders - 8.05m (34.5%) Coronation St - 8.24m (34.1%) (without timeshift) |
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