not that sort of change

I don't think BARB will do anything beyond an occasion report/study within their News section (but don't hold me to that)

It meant that New Tricks suffered so they're not that bright to me.

You're about to upload the missing ratings between 1981 and 1998?


Exactly!

like I said about clash..... tough. Both show take a hit, but equally they would suck up so much programming budget

TMO is half decent in my eyes. It's not as good as Blind Date, but it can provide a 5-7million audience with better scheduling/slight format tweak

I think I may have said before, but I don't mind repeating myself.........

my ITV schedule would be....

up to 6pm News, 30 min LE show
6-7pm - LE a la Blind Date/US import a la Baywatch/A Team/Lois & Clark/Macgyver
7-8.30pm TXF/DoI/Takeaway
8.30-9pm - quiz
9pm-10pm - chatshow
10-10.15pm News
10.15pm Film

could swap 10pm News for 9pm and have chatshow start at 9.15pm

With the 2011 series rallying in week 6 with the contestant explusion and Amelia's return, the year on year declines for X Factor this weekend have been particularly grim. The 28% decline for the results show is the single biggest year on year fall in the shows history.

The good news is that over the next few weeks the 2011 series fell back. So even if this series only holds the same numbers as this week then the comparisons should improve (and by that I mean be not quite so huge). But that's not exactly much consolation.

It's at the stage now where I think Cowell maybe needs to do what he did with Pop Idol and X Factor. Same basic elements, twist the format here and there, and relaunch with a new brand.

nope, I don't think that's ever gonna happen

there were only 2 series of Pop Idol, I think the 'change' was more about Mr Cowell getting a better deal out of programme that any format changes for PI. That show was better purely because it didn't turn into a "judge's ego" show - in my opinion of course

The only person so far today to even make any possible negative comment about I'm A Celeb's rating is SamuelW, yet even his post simply states the facts that the figure is down y-o-y and comments on other big ITV shows being down too. I don't think yours and James J's responses were warranted, it's not like there have been several people saying I'm A Celeb's figure is awful. Most posters seem to agree it's within the range expected.

Take Me Out is a pseudo hit rather than a bona fide hit. Can only get decent ratings if the competition is non existent like a test card. The X Factor guarantees a bigger audience. The main problem as you say is that X Factor/Strictly can take up most of primetime with 2 hour shows. And ITV has another annoying habit of stringing out 60 minute shows to 75 minutes with more ad breaks. Make some of the shows shorter and as you say put some variety back into the night.

I expect it rates higher in the years of the big anniversaries, where the day tends to gather rather greater public attention. Not that this is a particularly poor figure. Indeed, it's heartening that the day is observed so well, by so many, after so much time.

I appeared on This Morning several times whilst Richard and Judy were hosts (mostly from Albert Dock but once after they moved to London). They were always a joy to work with and Richard was a stickler for research up front. I recall being asked in an hour early one time just so we could discuss the best way to do a feature before going live. I have never been on the show since they left and so not sure this happens now.

Phil made no reference at all to the incident on today's show (though did look to me a bit awkward when they were discussing the resignations at the BBC). Nick Ferarri said something about everyone making mistakes and we should move on as the focus on journalists was in danger of distracting from the real story of the actual abuse. Maybe I was misunderstanding but it almost felt like he was seeking to reassure Phil. After that Phil perked up as the programme went on and he seemed more like his old self by the end.

When Ann Widdecombe and Craig Revell Horwood were on talking about strictly and Ann was massively disparaging about I'm A Celebrity and how it was a symptom of TV at its worst, Phil enjoyed sparring with her. Interesting to see him sympathise with Craig about Fern over her departing Strictly last weekend. First time she has been mentioned in a while.

Yes, X Factor was Cowell's revenge on Simon Fuller and a ploy to give himself some leverage in other negotiations. But the transition worked and I think it might be at the stage where it's worth trying again. And it would be far easier because he owns it this time anyway. They really need to re-energise the whole thing whatever they do because at this rate the 2013 series will return below 7m.

As for Pop Idol, the whole story of that show was about one of the judges (Cowell) and also his spats with Pete Waterman and contestants (particularly series 1 where Will Young overcame Mr Nasty to win the show).

Another great number for Strictly - I'm forever surprised at how many people are willing to watch a recorded results show, and how well the media generally keep schtum about the result. Yes, you can find it on the DS boards, but the popular media never seem to spill.

Also a fantastic figure for I'm a Celebrity. I've always found this one baffling to explain, but for the past few years I've credited XF for it's revival. Clearly, it's more than capable of sustaining itself, though.

Interesting to see Andrew Marr rise. It just goes to prove that Downton is the single most difficult opposition for BBC One to schedule against all year long. With all of ITV's other major offerings - BGT, XF, IAC - they can retreat to the sort of comfy ABC1-skewing content that is their trademark. Uniquely, with Downton Abbey, that doesn't work for them.

I imagine the subject of Marr helped last night, too - he was into the 20th Century. People are fundamentally happier watching a documentary about Hitler and recent history than they would have been a few weeks ago, studying the significance of the rise of the Mongol Empire! (More's the pity - I love a bit of history, and its a shame there doesn't seem to be an audience there on primetime BBC One for it. I hope they keep trying, in different ways.)

Would you give some indication as to this change? Sounds intriguing!

The only small comfort for XF is that its 8m on a Saturday night looks positely stellar compared to the rest of the schedule. 6pm - 8pm is a disaster.

ITV have nothing to dent SCD, TV Burp was perfect in that sense as it brought a different audience, even Family Fortunes made a better job of what they have now.

Schofield isn't going anywhere but there's been no apology over the Schofield's List just that the card possibly showed the names. I think that apology may come if Ofcom rules that This Morning made a mistake with that. I think they did and I'm no fan of David Cameron.

Do we know if there is a specific group of viewers that are turning off X-Factor? Personally I suspect more folks have engaged their bullchit antenna & aren't prepared to be watch fakery any longer.

Sometimes I think commercial channels are more interested in their shows trending on Twitter and getting stories in the paper rather than focusing on what makes them rate well.

Did she run over my puppy, strange I never knew I had one.

So what's the excuse for Fridays abysmal rating, beaten by Emmerdale, the show is a mess and no amount of excuses can hide that.

I know Richard Madeley gets a lot of slack of being gaffe prone but I think he's a good presenter and I thought he did a good job covering Matthew Wright two weeks back on The Wright Stuff.

Thank Christ because she is crap at that.

They could probably reveal it if they wanted to, but they'd end up being blacklisted from press releases and conferences. And the chances are by the time the result is out, the papers are off to press anyway.

Don't you get bored of posting the same thing every time EE's ratings come in?

They are not going to shoot up until there are storylines which warrant it - probably Xmas now. I don't know what you are expecting for what are generally filler eps. Maybe the episodes should be stronger for this time of year but a lot of that will be down to the previous producer and it is a separate matter entirely.This is a ratings thread. For what the episodes are it is not rating badly at all. The other two are hardly doing much better.

She has barely been in the job a few months and already you are writing her off.

Sorry but to me it feels like you have a personal vendetta and therefore there is no constructive discussion to be had with you on the subject of EE.

Compared to the same week 12 months ago :

Emmerdale - 7.04m (32.9%)
Coronation St - 8.32m (37.2%)
Eastenders - 8.05m (34.5%)
Coronation St - 8.24m (34.1%)

(without timeshift)