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Old 24-10-2012, 18:58
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It has been mentioned on another thread but if this is true and on top of the very very poor data allowances EE 4g ail be a damp squib.

It is so disappointing. I am an early adopter and love all new tech things but I am having serious doubts about joining. If the hard core like myself are debating whether to join what hope do EE have of attracting the masses.
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Old 24-10-2012, 19:00
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I'm not gonna bother with this at all.

Its a complete waste of time and was always going to be capped and ruined by a UK network.
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Old 24-10-2012, 19:37
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I thought this 12mb figure was the average download speed you will get and not the highest?

The last thing they would want to do would be to cap a 4G network unless they want to slow down how fast people can hit their 500mb limit!
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Old 24-10-2012, 22:41
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I thought this 12mb figure was the average download speed you will get and not the highest?

The last thing they would want to do would be to cap a 4G network unless they want to slow down how fast people can hit their 500mb limit!
Average is apparently 5 times faster than 3g (Not really just a PR thing)

8-12Mbps

3g is faster than there average speed...
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Old 25-10-2012, 00:52
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Don't be daft.. Even at peak times LTE will be faster than 3G, certainly NOT capped at 12.
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Old 25-10-2012, 01:14
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Don't be daft.. Even at peak times LTE will be faster than 3G, certainly NOT capped at 12.
http://www.zdnet.com/uk/ees-4g-prici...rn-7000006215/

"EE said it will limit the service to around 12Mbps to provide a dependable, but high-speed, connection on a contended network."
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Old 25-10-2012, 01:20
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http://www.zdnet.com/uk/ees-4g-prici...rn-7000006215/

"EE said it will limit the service to around 12Mbps to provide a dependable, but high-speed, connection on a contended network."
It will stop you using your 500Mb allowance so quickly

Sounds like 4G on EE is an even bigger rip off than I thought it was with daft prices and daft limits.

Who will be the first mug to sign up
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Old 25-10-2012, 01:25
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The part where they say "superfast 4G mobile"

What do they consider to be superfast? 12Mbps is far from superfast
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Old 25-10-2012, 05:05
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http://www.zdnet.com/uk/ees-4g-prici...rn-7000006215/

"EE said it will limit the service to around 12Mbps to provide a dependable, but high-speed, connection on a contended network."
EE have tweeted to say that there will be no speed caps on 4G so God knows what the truth is now!!
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Old 25-10-2012, 09:31
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Is that just like T-Mobile saying they never had speed caps?
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Old 25-10-2012, 10:34
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Is that just like T-Mobile saying they never had speed caps?
The sooner I can get away from EE the better
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Old 25-10-2012, 11:10
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Is that just like T-Mobile saying they never had speed caps?
The T-Mobile capping scam was interesting. Its shows what they can get away with.
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Old 25-10-2012, 11:24
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I get faster than 12 Mbps with 3G on Three when I have full signal!
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Old 25-10-2012, 11:36
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Are EE absolutely determined to squander any advantage that they have over the other providers? It's beginning to seem that way.
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Old 25-10-2012, 12:17
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To be honest it won't be difficult to tell if they have capped it or not. A few speed tests as soon as someone turns their phone on will let us know of this in a week. It's going to be purely speculation until then. To be honest, EE said no capped speeds, zdnet.com that said there would be, so maybe go with EE for now and slate them after if it appears they're lying...
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Old 25-10-2012, 12:25
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This is just my opinion but it looks like this is a very half baked 4G infrastructure. The limited data amount packages and possible speed caps, to me sounds like they have the very basic infrastructure to release a so called 4G service. They need the to be auctioned frequencies to do a full release.

With DC-HSPDA+ 3G rolling out, unlimited data packages available now and generally you can still get very good speeds in your area now using a recent handset such as the iPhone 5. I have been getting max speeds of 18+ Mbps down and 3 Mbps up on a network fully release to the public and being used by millions of people.

I am on T-Mobile and there is virtually nothing EE's 4G packages can offer that I can't get now.possible more consistent speed but that will go once the network gets loaded.

There is a reason why they have limited the whole package because its not really ready. They have the perfect opportunity to claw customers in and tie them down for 2 years. They are just not shouting out come and join our 4G network with there pricing. It's almost like they don't want too many people yet??
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Old 25-10-2012, 14:14
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To be honest I don't know what all the fuss is about. People seem to think it is their god given right to have 4G and that prices have to be the same as current 3G service.

Its ridiculous how everyone is complaining. The fact of the matter is at least EE are offering 4G in this country now. Look how far behind we are compared to the rest of the world, and we still haven't auctioned off the spectrum yet!! I salute EE, yes the prices are high, but if you want the latest first you have to pay. No one is entitled by right to unlimited broadband, the majority don't even use more than 1gb on a mobile for internet!

The ee tariffs are offering unlimited calls and texts, then are charging £5 extra compared to the equivalent 3G tariffs for data generally (exluding the full monty tariff) If you dont wanna pay, just stick with 3g. easy as that.

I don't know what people were expecting to be honest.
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Old 25-10-2012, 14:37
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I don't know what people were expecting to be honest.
For starters, nobody is doubting that EE starting 4G is a good thing.

However, their marketing of it has led to people's expectations being high. It's not the case that people have expected too much.

EE have marketed it as 'superfast', so if it's capped, it won't be 'superfast'. 12Mbps isn't 'superfast' Internet, mobile or otherwise.

They've also marketed it as a product that'll let you do stuff you do at home, on the go. Well, I'm sorry, but with those sorts of data limits, you simply won't be able to do it. For example, stream a film and that'll see your 500MB disappear in one fell swoop.

I'm a very happy EE customer, and was considering going 4G, but I'll wait until the next round of plans I think. They won't steel much of a march on the competiton with these plans / potential speed limits. What would be the point in signing up and paying more and getting less? I can go to Cardiff now and obtain a speed of over 12Mbps easily on my iPhone. I have a bigger data limit, and can get a faster speed, so there'd be no benefits to me in signing up for 4GEE.

Maybe this was their plan all along, and they didn't really want to steel a march on their competitors. OR, maybe these plans are part of a compromise that was reached to let EE go ahead. I can't help but think that they might have been.
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Old 25-10-2012, 15:01
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Guess we have to wait for someone to test this.

If it is true that they're capping at 12mbps then that gives another reason not to switch. Sure 12mbps is fast, but when compared to home broadband now, and even 3G speeds on EE themselves then you could find that you're getting faster speeds than 4G.
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Old 25-10-2012, 18:07
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majority don't even use more than 1gb on a mobile for internet!
If most people don't use more than 1GB then most people will not see the benefit of 4G. To use so little data they can not being doing any data intensive activities which would take advantage.

To offer so little data but provide such a "super fast" Internet service is pointless. There packages are aimed at general usage. How quick do you need for general Internet use. I can tell you now it's very little maybe 2Mbps.

Without a suitable allowance then I see no point in 4G compared to current 3G.
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Old 25-10-2012, 19:12
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If most people don't use more than 1GB then most people will not see the benefit of 4G. To use so little data they can not being doing any data intensive activities which would take advantage.

To offer so little data but provide such a "super fast" Internet service is pointless. There packages are aimed at general usage. How quick do you need for general Internet use. I can tell you now it's very little maybe 2Mbps.

Without a suitable allowance then I see no point in 4G compared to current 3G.
What like downloading a 20MB app in 3 seconds, scrolling maps around without waiting for tiles to load, opening apps like Sky news and them updating instantly in front of your eyes, Skype working fully with absolutely no blips, any smaller downloads like podcasts or updating your email inbox just 'done' in a second or two, or just seeing webpages load faster because of the lower latency.

Remember these are unlimited calls and texts too.
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Old 25-10-2012, 19:46
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What like downloading a 20MB app in 3 seconds, scrolling maps around without waiting for tiles to load, opening apps like Sky news and them updating instantly in front of your eyes, Skype working fully with absolutely no blips, any smaller downloads like podcasts or updating your email inbox just 'done' in a second or two, or just seeing webpages load faster because of the lower latency.

Remember these are unlimited calls and texts too.
Sorry I don't see your point. Say for example you get 2 meg connection which is much slower than the average 3G connection it would take you 10 secs for that 20meg file instead of 3, Wow a whole 7 seconds quicker! Where do I sign up? This is worth the increased cost?? For the general user with a low data package, are they interested in 7 secs quicker doubt it.

All the applications you mention are no problem for 3G. I don't see any delay in refreshing sky news for example. Skype would be the only app which would benefit from the faster latency and make calls more reliable, I regularly get pings of 40ms on EE 3G.. Again load the network up and they will start to increase just the same. Time will tell how LTE will live up to the hype once its used in anger by millions of users. Until then no one really knows. A good idea is looking at our american friends over the pond. In the US there LTE speeds are very close to our 3G speeds once the network is loaded.

With regards to unlimited calls that's just a sweetener to try and justify the price. Another extra not required. Going for a 4G plan with limited data for unlimited calls £56 makes no sense against an unlimited 3.75G data and unlimited calls for say £41.

Bottom line is its very expensive, limited coverage and has little benefit in its current tariffs. They market it totally out of proportion to there packages.
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Old 26-10-2012, 12:34
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Coolmp3, i understand what you are saying but don't necessarily agree. You are implying that only people who do data intensive activities will benefit from a 4g connection. That is simply not the case, sure they will benefit more from it but everyone will benefit.

If it is just about looking at webpages then yes there is a neglibible difference with the speeds you quote, but like thine wonk said, there are lots of common activities that will benefit immensely from a speed increase such as map updating, app downloading, youtube clip loading.

I know the tariffs are "expensive" and not "unlimited" but that doesn't mean that the average user wouldn't benefit from it.

If you use EE's on marketing analogy (as stupid as it is) if two people are travelling on a train from london to glasgow and one gets off in nottingham, if that train is replaced with a high speed train of course it will be more beneficial to the guy going to glasgow, but surely the guy going to nottingham will benefit too (even though it is to a lesser extent)

Just because x number of users want a superfast connection on the go to download music or get gb of data, doesn't mean they should be the only ones expecting 4G to be catered for them at a cheap price.

I agree EE should have kept the hype low, but i'm not surprised by what they have come out with, to expect anything else is just kidding ourselves. (they are rolling this all out pretty quick, even though its existing network spectrum, so i'm sure they don't want the bandwidth drainers to use all the network!)
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Old 26-10-2012, 18:28
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EE face book page says they wont be capping speeds

EE: Laila, this is untrue - we won't be capping data speeds at all.
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Old 26-10-2012, 19:25
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Just a thought, but could the cruddy data allowances be due to a deal done with the other companies so they don't challenge? This way 4G is infinitely less attractive than it would have at first appeared. Almost pointless if you currently get a decent 3G signal.

It all seemed a little bit too altruistic to me that they decided to stop kicking up a stink.
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