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paulbrock
01-11-2012
A rather less pro-Apple review, with lots of proper comparison (i.e. not just subjective "it feels better built") with the Nexus 7.
http://www.stuff.tv/review/apple-ipad-mini
neo_wales
01-11-2012
Yea, a proper comparison lol, they admit the Apple is slower, has a poorer screen and takes ages to charge and is more expensive and yet STILL push it ... joke review.
kidspud
01-11-2012
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Yea, a proper comparison lol, they admit the Apple is slower, has a poorer screen and takes ages to charge and is more expensive and yet STILL push it ... joke review.”

Did you read the review?
paulbrock
01-11-2012
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Yea, a proper comparison lol, they admit the Apple is slower, has a poorer screen and takes ages to charge and is more expensive and yet STILL push it ... joke review.”

sure, it still boils down to "yes its good because its made of aluminium and has lots of apps" (I can only think the apps thing is why they've decided one "encourages creativity and interaction" and one provides "a gateway to media consumption"; there's certainly nothing physical that puts one in one bracket and one in the other)

but at least it points out where the ipad falls down, more so than a lot of the reviewers that spoke glowingly yet then gave it 4 out of 5 (a pretty low score for an Apple device, lets face it)
kidspud
01-11-2012
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“A rather less pro-Apple review, with lots of proper comparison (i.e. not just subjective "it feels better built") with the Nexus 7.
http://www.stuff.tv/review/apple-ipad-mini”

I'm half thinking of buying a small tablet and I did look at the nexus 7 in HMV and I wasn't really blow away with the quality of it but it is a very good price. It is interesting that the ipad mini has gone with the smaller bezel.

Difficult choice as far as I'm concerned.
kidspud
01-11-2012
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“sure, it still boils down to "yes its good because its made of aluminium and has lots of apps" (I can only think the apps thing is why they've decided one "encourages creativity and interaction" and one provides "a gateway to media consumption"; there's certainly nothing physical that puts one in one bracket and one in the other)”

I don't think they actually just boiled it down to that, they also pointed out that in practical use (web browsing) the ipad mini's performance was as quick as the nexus and that both tablets were smooth to use.

They also comment on the display but also point out it how good the colours are along with very good battery performance.
paulbrock
01-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I don't think they actually just boiled it down to that, they also pointed out that in practical use (web browsing) the ipad mini's performance was as quick as the nexus and that both tablets were smooth to use.

They also comment on the display but also point out it how good the colours are along with very good battery performance.”

And that I think is why its one of the better reviews, it does go through these points. But in terms of actual advantages, reasons to pay the £x more versus the 7" competition, it does seem to boil down to those two points; the latter certainly I can understand the importance of, particularly if you're moving from a 'big' ipad.
neo_wales
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Did you read the review?”

Yep, I did
kidspud
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Yep, I did”

So (for instances) what did you mean by the charging time?
dadioflex
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by glagys:
“really confused now

see that Nexus 7 32GB is out soon
so should i go for that or the
iPad mini

anyone got a good site to compare the products
which is the best value for money”

If anyone is genuinely confused about which to get then go for the Android device. Down the road Android will be more popular, more diverse and with a lot more services available. Your choice now will determine whose app store you are going to be buying into.

The actual problem right now is for people who are already heavily invested in the iTunes ecosystem. I love my iPad - no question - but I know it's a closed system and I like the range of options I have on my many Android tablets.

It's rare for an Apple device to be priced reasonably, but the full iPad range is actually priced very competitively compared to comparable Android tablets. It's very different for the outrageously priced iPods and iPhones.
kidspud
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by dadioflex:
“I
The actual problem right now is for people who are already heavily invested in the iTunes ecosystem. I love my iPad - no question - but I know it's a closed system and I like the range of options I have on my many Android tablets.”

I hate to break it to you but Android is also a closed system.
alan1302
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I hate to break it to you but Android is also a closed system.”

How can it be when it's based on Linux?
shirt44
02-11-2012
Why do all those non Apple users get so agitated regarding Apple reviews and even more so at people who buy them. Jesus it's all about choices and if people want to buy Apple or any other brand, then it's entirely up to them.
Gormond
02-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I hate to break it to you but Android is also a closed system.”

Android is an open system, even if it is a rather closed one http://bgr.com/2011/12/13/android-ra...s-infographic/
.Lucy.
03-11-2012
Sorry to hijack but would anyone recommend the Archos Carbon?
Davonator
03-11-2012
I can give my feedback, I don't own either but our work got an ipad Mini in yesterday (and I spent 20 mins with it), and my friend has a Nexus 7 which i've used. So i can give a hands on response albeit i haven't used either with longevity:

in a straight out which is better i'd say the iPad Mini, and in all honesty it's not even close. It's thinner, prettier, has a larger display and is lighter. The main thing being used to attack the iPad mini is its 'no retina display'. On yesterdays use i actually think thats a damp squib. It's still very clear, and games look great on it. Two negative notes though, the camera is meant to be 5MP. The results i got from my 3 test pics looked more like something from a 2MP camera. Also it seemed to gather loads of fingerprints for a supposed anti-fingerprint screen. Web browsing seems smoother on the mini, and the lack of retina isn't a problem when reading small print.

But the real crux is it worth the huge price hike over the Nexus 7 (which is extremely good value). Unfortunately i need to give a big shoulder shrug as i think it will depend on the person, how much they're willing to spend. Nexus 7 is a lot more flexible in its customisation and tinkering. My friend uploaded emulators with ease to his Nexus 7, which perform really well. It beats the Mini hands down if you're a bit more of an advanced user and more into that sort of thing. Although I find the Nexus 7 is dissapointingly heavy in proportion to its size.

So yeah the good news is if you buy either you're a winner as they're both great. I think Mini wins on quality, Nexus 7 on value.

The main weakness of the Mini as I see it is not in it as a piece of hardware but it's where it's been positioned in the market I think. The 16GB model is £270, if they brought it in at about £240 it would be a more justifiable purchase. It's a great product, but the decision to break the psychological £250 barrier is a pity.
shirt44
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by Davonator:
“I can give my feedback, I don't own either but our work got an ipad Mini in yesterday (and I spent 20 mins with it), and my friend has a Nexus 7 which i've used. So i can give a hands on response albeit i haven't used either with longevity:

in a straight out which is better i'd say the iPad Mini, and in all honesty it's not even close. It's thinner, prettier, has a larger display and is lighter. The main thing being used to attack the iPad mini is its 'no retina display'. On yesterdays use i actually think thats a damp squib. It's still very clear, and games look great on it. Two negative notes though, the camera is meant to be 5MP. The results i got from my 3 test pics looked more like something from a 2MP camera. Also it seemed to gather loads of fingerprints for a supposed anti-fingerprint screen. Web browsing seems smoother on the mini, and the lack of retina isn't a problem when reading small print.

But the real crux is it worth the huge price hike over the Nexus 7 (which is extremely good value). Unfortunately i need to give a big shoulder shrug as i think it will depend on the person, how much they're willing to spend. Nexus 7 is a lot more flexible in its customisation and tinkering. My friend uploaded emulators with ease to his Nexus 7, which perform really well. It beats the Mini hands down if you're a bit more of an advanced user and more into that sort of thing. Although I find the Nexus 7 is dissapointingly heavy in proportion to its size.

So yeah the good news is if you buy either you're a winner as they're both great. I think Mini wins on quality, Nexus 7 on value.

The main weakness of the Mini as I see it is not in it as a piece of hardware but it's where it's been positioned in the market I think. The 16GB model is £270, if they brought it in at about £240 it would be a more justifiable purchase. It's a great product, but the decision to break the psychological £250 barrier is a pity.”

Good review, albeit for the short amount of time you had the iPad mini. I'm awaiting mine to be delivered this morning, I went for the mini simply because I have an iMac and iPad 3 and wanted something more portable and lighter. I looked at the Nexus and I think that is also a cracking Tablet, but I decided on the mini simply because I've never had any issues with any of my Apple products, unlike any of the Microsoft one's previously.
flagpole
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by Roush:
“The iPad mini will give you larger screen area over the Nexus 7, a rear facing camera (and a good one at that) and options for video (and sound) output to a TV or monitor, neither of which are available on the 7.

I have a 3rd generation iPad and a Nexus 7, and the iPad provides a better user experience without question. I'm quite interested in comparing the mini to the larger iPad (and to the 7) first hand to see if there is any degradation of user experience or not.

There are also significantly more apps enhanced for iPad, or designed especially for the iPad than there are tablet optimised apps on Android. This situation is improving all the time, but tablet app development on Android is at nowhere near the level it is iOS.”

that's not really true. in two weeks the nexus will support Miracast natively. which does with an open standard the same thing that the iPad does with apple's closed standard.

it also supports dlna. i can push content to my tv, browse my music and video from my computer, tv, and the other way around. all without proprietary standards.
TheBigM
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“One gives you NFC, GPS, high resolution, very modern (very fast) processor, fully featured LATEST operating system.

the other gives you a fruit logo on the back and takes more of your money.

Unless you are already deeply embedded in the apple ecosystem then IMHO its a no-brainer.”

But the iPad has actual designed-for-tablet apps.

The Nexus 7 is just scaling up phone apps.
Zack06
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I hate to break it to you but Android is also a closed system.”

Anyone can put Android on their device and submit apps to the Google Play store. That is not a closed system. Access to Google services has some pre-requisites before a manufacturer can put those on their device, but it's wrong to say Android itself is a closed system, as you or I could go and compile Android and port it to any piece of hardware desired. The same is not true for iOS, Apple does not release the source code.
flagpole
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“But the iPad has actual designed-for-tablet apps.

The Nexus 7 is just scaling up phone apps.”

that's not true either.

the android sdk allows you to display things differently for different display sizes and pixel densities.

it's completely possible to design specifically for tablets to do things like rather than just making buttons bigger add more functions that would normally be hidden in menus. because android runs on a range of display sizes rather than basically two these changes tend to be included in the one app that perhaps supports small screen phones, large screen phones and tablets with different interfaces. rather than release a separate tablet version.

if you can be bothered to optimise for tablets then you would still do it in the one app.
flagpole
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I hate to break it to you but Android is also a closed system.”

it's like the very definition of an open system.
BigFoot87
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“But the iPad has actual designed-for-tablet apps.

The Nexus 7 is just scaling up phone apps.”

Really? Could have fooled me. Apps like BBC News and Netflix aren't scaled up at all on the N7. Some apps may be scaled up but most (if not all) of the popular ones aren't.
Stuart_h
03-11-2012
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“But the iPad has actual designed-for-tablet apps.

The Nexus 7 is just scaling up phone apps.”

Apple marketing hype believed I see
shirt44
03-11-2012
So much for my iPad mini arriving today or anytime soon. Apparently my package has been lost and to cap it all John Lewis are out of stock and they can't tell me when they will have any back in stock. That's the third package I've had lost from different delivery companies on the trot.
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