Kimberley, Victoria and Michael all ended the night on the same score of 31. I thought this was a little unfair on Kimberley as I thought her paso was worth at least a point or 2 more than the others dances. I wonder whether the other's improvement has meant they were slightly overmarked, whereas Kimberley has been consistently quite good.
Kimberley, Victoria and Michael
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I didn't like Kimberley's song - I don't think it worked for a Paso.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.
Kimberley really needs to up her game to stand out from the pack. She seems a nice girl, who dances nicely & gets on nicely with Pasha. To me this isn't enough she is coming across as very bland both on & off the dance floor which must be very frustrating both for her & the producers.
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that.”
“Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that.”
i agree.
these two ought to be the hottest partnership on the dancefloor, and they are barely luke warm.
Kimberley lacks personality, and I don't just mean on the dancefloor. I love her don't get me wrong, but she is very middle of the road when it comes to her personality. There is nothing engaging or interesting about her, unfortunately.
Kimberley is okay but I have not seen much improvement.
From the other two named, I have seen a lot of improvement this week.
From the other two named, I have seen a lot of improvement this week.
Even if she turns out a disaster zone, which she wasn't thankfully last night, I'm always interested in watching Victoria. She has a certain presence, even if it's not all there yet and is clearly giving it all she has.
As said, Kimbot is just meh. Bland and comes across as disinterested and disengaged. It doesn't help that I so loved Chelsee and Pasha that I'm really struggling to find any fizzle on this partnership. I didn't like the routine either, Pasha produced fantastic work with Chels, and I still love the malaguena Paso but I didn't get it, just didn't get it. Both the others improved so much last night, and starting from so much less natural ability than Kimbot, I couldn't disagree with the scores.
As said, Kimbot is just meh. Bland and comes across as disinterested and disengaged. It doesn't help that I so loved Chelsee and Pasha that I'm really struggling to find any fizzle on this partnership. I didn't like the routine either, Pasha produced fantastic work with Chels, and I still love the malaguena Paso but I didn't get it, just didn't get it. Both the others improved so much last night, and starting from so much less natural ability than Kimbot, I couldn't disagree with the scores.
She needs acting lessons quick! All her performances are technically fine but she is too bland and appears to be not that bothered... I'm not seeing chemistry with her and Pasha. I'm sure she is a nice enough girl but she has nothing interesting to say and blank face on the dance floor.
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“I didn't like Kimberley's song - I don't think it worked for a Paso.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.”
“I didn't like Kimberley's song - I don't think it worked for a Paso.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.”
This. Kimberley hasn't really been consistently good, she's just been consistently ok, which considering she was a huge favourite before the show began isn't really doing her any favours.
I thought Michael was better than her last night. Victoria wasn't, but she always gets overmarked anyway.
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“I didn't like Kimberley's song - I don't think it worked for a Paso.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.”
“I didn't like Kimberley's song - I don't think it worked for a Paso.
Kimberley is an OK dancer. She has an OK personality. Her partnership with Pasha is OK. I want more than that. She's a bit like Fern in that I don't really notice her.”
I agree. Nice girl but there's not much about her personality wise. I barely watch her and Pasha whereas last year with Chelsee I was hooked. Now she was such an interesting character and the change in her was amazing. Although I'm not voting for either of them, I did think Victoria and Michael deserved those higher marks last night.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“This. Kimberley hasn't really been consistently good, she's just been consistently ok, which considering she was a huge favourite before the show began isn't really doing her any favours.
I thought Michael was better than her last night. Victoria wasn't, but she always gets overmarked anyway.”
“This. Kimberley hasn't really been consistently good, she's just been consistently ok, which considering she was a huge favourite before the show began isn't really doing her any favours.
I thought Michael was better than her last night. Victoria wasn't, but she always gets overmarked anyway.”
Not her fault someone decided to name her as a 'favourite' before she'd even had one dance lesson
Originally Posted by snogglewort:
“Not her fault someone decided to name her as a 'favourite' before she'd even had one dance lesson”
“Not her fault someone decided to name her as a 'favourite' before she'd even had one dance lesson
”
I think she's probably had quite a few dance/choreography lessons in her life. The dance styles are obviously very different, but I still think she should be better.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“This. Kimberley hasn't really been consistently good, she's just been consistently ok, which considering she was a huge favourite before the show began isn't really doing her any favours.
I thought Michael was better than her last night. Victoria wasn't, but she always gets overmarked anyway.”
“This. Kimberley hasn't really been consistently good, she's just been consistently ok, which considering she was a huge favourite before the show began isn't really doing her any favours.
I thought Michael was better than her last night. Victoria wasn't, but she always gets overmarked anyway.”
Victoria was also named a huge favourite before the show began. You can't judge who the favourites are before any of them have danced. I remember one year Joe Calzaghe being the favourite and he ended up being the worst dancer when the show actually started.
I don't think Kimberley lacks personality, however it might just be like Kara Tointon where she is getting through each dance with good technique but not completely connecting with the dances and she will hopefully get a dance which is the turning point. I think for Kara that was the paso but I could be wrong.
I don't think Victoria's showing much personality either apart from coming across a bit weak and scared, and I thought she was technically poorer than Kimberley and therefore shouldn't have had the same score as her. I feel that because she was poor in the first few weeks her scores are higher even though the dancing isn't at the same level.
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“I think she's probably had quite a few dance/choreography lessons in her life. The dance styles are obviously very different, but I still think she should be better.”
“I think she's probably had quite a few dance/choreography lessons in her life. The dance styles are obviously very different, but I still think she should be better.”
Yeah posing in a music video is exactly the same as the Cha Cha Cha.
Learning ONE Shrek routine (that wasn't even that complicated) that you will go on to perform over and over again for months on end is totally the same as a Foxtrot!
And breaking off in the middle of a song to do 30 seconds of fancy twirling with a backing dancer on stage means you are just gonna ace the Paso doesn't it!!?
Lol, get real.
Originally Posted by gcmac:
“Victoria was also named a huge favourite before the show began. You can't judge who the favourites are before any of them have danced. I remember one year Joe Calzaghe being the favourite and he ended up being the worst dancer when the show actually started.
I don't think Kimberley lacks personality, however it might just be like Kara Tointon where she is getting through each dance with good technique but not completely connecting with the dances and she will hopefully get a dance which is the turning point. I think for Kara that was the paso but I could be wrong.
I don't think Victoria's showing much personality either apart from coming across a bit weak and scared, and I thought she was technically poorer than Kimberley and therefore shouldn't have had the same score as her. I feel that because she was poor in the first few weeks her scores are higher even though the dancing isn't at the same level.”
“Victoria was also named a huge favourite before the show began. You can't judge who the favourites are before any of them have danced. I remember one year Joe Calzaghe being the favourite and he ended up being the worst dancer when the show actually started.
I don't think Kimberley lacks personality, however it might just be like Kara Tointon where she is getting through each dance with good technique but not completely connecting with the dances and she will hopefully get a dance which is the turning point. I think for Kara that was the paso but I could be wrong.
I don't think Victoria's showing much personality either apart from coming across a bit weak and scared, and I thought she was technically poorer than Kimberley and therefore shouldn't have had the same score as her. I feel that because she was poor in the first few weeks her scores are higher even though the dancing isn't at the same level.”
People wanted Joe to be the favourite because of his looks. Victoria was never a favourite (on here at least) in terms of dancing.
Kara was always technically good. Kimberley is competent enough most of the time. Her Foxtrot was a bit of a mess though and she'll probably never be great. She reminds me of Holly in some respects
Originally Posted by snogglewort:
“Yeah posing in a music video is exactly the same as the Cha Cha Cha.
Learning ONE Shrek routine (that wasn't even that complicated) that you will go on to perform over and over again for months on end is totally the same as a Foxtrot!
And breaking off in the middle of a song to do 30 seconds of fancy twirling with a backing dancer on stage means you are just gonna ace the Paso doesn't it!!?
Lol, get real.”
“Yeah posing in a music video is exactly the same as the Cha Cha Cha.
Learning ONE Shrek routine (that wasn't even that complicated) that you will go on to perform over and over again for months on end is totally the same as a Foxtrot!
And breaking off in the middle of a song to do 30 seconds of fancy twirling with a backing dancer on stage means you are just gonna ace the Paso doesn't it!!?
Lol, get real.
”
No need for the attitude. I did qualify that by saying that the dance styles were obviously very different. Kimberley did go to stage school as well though, didn't she? She certainly had an advantage over most of the other contestants at the beginning of the series. I still think she should be better.
Originally Posted by gcmac:
“Victoria was also named a huge favourite before the show began. You can't judge who the favourites are before any of them have danced. I remember one year Joe Calzaghe being the favourite and he ended up being the worst dancer when the show actually started.
I don't think Kimberley lacks personality, however it might just be like Kara Tointon where she is getting through each dance with good technique but not completely connecting with the dances and she will hopefully get a dance which is the turning point. I think for Kara that was the paso but I could be wrong.
I don't think Victoria's showing much personality either apart from coming across a bit weak and scared, and I thought she was technically poorer than Kimberley and therefore shouldn't have had the same score as her. I feel that because she was poor in the first few weeks her scores are higher even though the dancing isn't at the same level.”
“Victoria was also named a huge favourite before the show began. You can't judge who the favourites are before any of them have danced. I remember one year Joe Calzaghe being the favourite and he ended up being the worst dancer when the show actually started.
I don't think Kimberley lacks personality, however it might just be like Kara Tointon where she is getting through each dance with good technique but not completely connecting with the dances and she will hopefully get a dance which is the turning point. I think for Kara that was the paso but I could be wrong.
I don't think Victoria's showing much personality either apart from coming across a bit weak and scared, and I thought she was technically poorer than Kimberley and therefore shouldn't have had the same score as her. I feel that because she was poor in the first few weeks her scores are higher even though the dancing isn't at the same level.”
Correct, and I would rather watch Kimberley who is actually dancing the steps the best she can and improving week on week than Lisa who is pretty much waving her arms and pulling an O face every dance.
Queen Victoria can do no wrong apparently. 31 for Brendan dragging her around? The moment he lets go of her she drops to the floor! She's a wet rag, I have to change the channel when she comes on. If we are talking about lack of personality then Vic tops that list. :yawn:
Originally Posted by Rotationbl:
“No need for the attitude. I did qualify that by saying that the dance styles were obviously very different. Kimberley did go to stage school as well though, didn't she? She certainly had an advantage over most of the other contestants at the beginning of the series. I still think she should be better.”
“No need for the attitude. I did qualify that by saying that the dance styles were obviously very different. Kimberley did go to stage school as well though, didn't she? She certainly had an advantage over most of the other contestants at the beginning of the series. I still think she should be better.”
The majority of people on that show went to stage school, are they all fantastic? Nope.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Kimberley really needs to up her game to stand out from the pack. She seems a nice girl, who dances nicely & gets on nicely with Pasha. To me this isn't enough she is coming across as very bland both on & off the dance floor which must be very frustrating both for her & the producers.”
“Kimberley really needs to up her game to stand out from the pack. She seems a nice girl, who dances nicely & gets on nicely with Pasha. To me this isn't enough she is coming across as very bland both on & off the dance floor which must be very frustrating both for her & the producers.”
I agree. I like Kimbeley but it's all very 'nice' with her at the moment. I feel like shes in 3rd gear.
I would definitely have had her below Michael & Victoria last night.
Originally Posted by snogglewort:
“The majority of people on that show went to stage school, are they all fantastic? Nope.”
“The majority of people on that show went to stage school, are they all fantastic? Nope.”
Kimberley certainly isn't.
Originally Posted by gcmac:
“Kimberley, Victoria and Michael all ended the night on the same score of 31. I thought this was a little unfair on Kimberley as I thought her paso was worth at least a point or 2 more than the others dances. I wonder whether the other's improvement has meant they were slightly overmarked, whereas Kimberley has been consistently quite good.”
“Kimberley, Victoria and Michael all ended the night on the same score of 31. I thought this was a little unfair on Kimberley as I thought her paso was worth at least a point or 2 more than the others dances. I wonder whether the other's improvement has meant they were slightly overmarked, whereas Kimberley has been consistently quite good.”
Kimberley started of well last night but she lost body tone halfway through so her body was kind of loose but could still look good overall IYKWIM. Victoria was much improved but mainly because she was in hold and I'm sure Brendan was whispering the routine to her which helped, she almost lost it at one point (I think her problem is she worries about forgetting the steps instead of really concentrating). Michael too was much improved. From my perspective because Kimberley lost body tone I thiink they were all fairly close this week.
Originally Posted by nancy1975:
“Even if she turns out a disaster zone, which she wasn't thankfully last night, I'm always interested in watching Victoria. She has a certain presence, even if it's not all there yet and is clearly giving it all she has.
As said, Kimbot is just meh. Bland and comes across as disinterested and disengaged. It doesn't help that I so loved Chelsee and Pasha that I'm really struggling to find any fizzle on this partnership. I didn't like the routine either, Pasha produced fantastic work with Chels, and I still love the malaguena Paso but I didn't get it, just didn't get it. Both the others improved so much last night, and starting from so much less natural ability than Kimbot, I couldn't disagree with the scores.”
“Even if she turns out a disaster zone, which she wasn't thankfully last night, I'm always interested in watching Victoria. She has a certain presence, even if it's not all there yet and is clearly giving it all she has.
As said, Kimbot is just meh. Bland and comes across as disinterested and disengaged. It doesn't help that I so loved Chelsee and Pasha that I'm really struggling to find any fizzle on this partnership. I didn't like the routine either, Pasha produced fantastic work with Chels, and I still love the malaguena Paso but I didn't get it, just didn't get it. Both the others improved so much last night, and starting from so much less natural ability than Kimbot, I couldn't disagree with the scores.”
I wasn't keen on the paso last night either.
The camera work didn't help but that's not the whole of it. The routine wasn't bad but I was hoping for something absorbing, concentrated, dramatic... For me it was Pasha's choreo that didn't quite work though, rather than Kimberley's connection or performance, I'm disappointed to say. Last year's Pasha doble was my dance of the series. So this felt a little diffuse by contrast??? Not a technical word. 
I enjoyed their QS last week much more -- the routine, the music, the character of the performance. Maybe music is the key. 
We shall see. I like them in training a great deal. They're having fun and that's got to help bring out a more effervescent Kimberley.
The difficulty is, Kimberley's dances are all forgettable. I remember the first week cha cha, and her being second on the leaderboard, and I honestly couldn't remember what her performance had been like! I think she dances nicely and her dances aren't overscored technically, but I think Pasha needs to choreograph her equivalent of Chelsee's Quickstep, Kara's Paso, Chris' Charleston, etc, and allow her to break through and shine!
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“I wasn't keen on the paso last night either. The camera work didn't help but that's not the whole of it. The routine wasn't bad but I was hoping for something absorbing, concentrated, dramatic... For me it was Pasha's choreo that didn't quite work though, rather than Kimberley's connection or performance, I'm disappointed to say. Last year's Pasha doble was my dance of the series. So this felt a little diffuse by contrast??? Not a technical word. I enjoyed their QS last week much more -- the routine, the music, the character of the performance. Maybe music is the key. We shall see. I like them in training a great deal. They're having fun and that's got to help bring out a more effervescent Kimberley.”
“I wasn't keen on the paso last night either.
The camera work didn't help but that's not the whole of it. The routine wasn't bad but I was hoping for something absorbing, concentrated, dramatic... For me it was Pasha's choreo that didn't quite work though, rather than Kimberley's connection or performance, I'm disappointed to say. Last year's Pasha doble was my dance of the series. So this felt a little diffuse by contrast??? Not a technical word. I enjoyed their QS last week much more -- the routine, the music, the character of the performance. Maybe music is the key. We shall see. I like them in training a great deal. They're having fun and that's got to help bring out a more effervescent Kimberley.”
I'm wondering if it was more to do with the routine rather than Kimbot that I was so meh.
I'm really not sure because like you I really liked the QS, because it had good music (CAN the producers see that it is essential?!) and good peppy choreo that fitted the whole MGM musical thing. And she did it very well. And I thought that Pasha Doble last night was weird and not interesting at all. I just don't think everything is gelling whereas Pasha seemed to get everything working with Chels from the off. I hope I'm wrong and she can emerge as a strong contender which will help the show but I don't feel the heart and soul very much.
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