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Emperors new clothes
Please can someone explain to me what this phrase means, many thanks
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Google.
"It comes from Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale and refers to the situation where people who are unwilling to risk looking ignorant or stupid by admitting they cannot see the value of something go along with the "experts" who extol its value. For a present day example one might point to the overvalued "art" of Tracy Emmin or Damien Hirst (viz his diamond encrusted skull)" |
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it actually orginates from james or ella on this years x-factor
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Here's a scenario.
You and your friends are all obsessed with an artist. Their new album is hyped as though it's the second coming and you decide it will be one of the musical events of your year. Then it comes out and it's awful. But you and your friends all desperately cling onto the hype, discuss it and rave about it, and never ever bring up the fact that it's awful, in a sort of silent agreement - because that would embarass all of you for the time you put into hyping them up. That's the emperor's new clothes - when no one is brave enough to be the first to admit that something that was supposed to be great is really terrible. |
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Here's a scenario.
You and your friends are all obsessed with an artist. Their new album is hyped as though it's the second coming and you decide it will be one of the musical events of your year. Then it comes out and it's awful. But you and your friends all desperately cling onto the hype, discuss it and rave about it, and never ever bring up the fact that it's awful, in a sort of silent agreement - because that would embarass all of you for the time you put into hyping them up. That's the emperor's new clothes - when no one is brave enough to be the first to admit that something that was supposed to be great is really terrible.
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Also see 'Prometheus'
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Its means that you cant believe someone is naked when they really are
Its meant to expose the mentality of people who go with populsr opinion just because everyone else says its good so it must be.. It is meant to point out that people in charge are not what they seem The moral of the story is the the GBP saw through the charade..that is the meaning |
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Here's a scenario.
You and your friends are all obsessed with an artist. Their new album is hyped as though it's the second coming and you decide it will be one of the musical events of your year. Then it comes out and it's awful. But you and your friends all desperately cling onto the hype, discuss it and rave about it, and never ever bring up the fact that it's awful, in a sort of silent agreement - because that would embarass all of you for the time you put into hyping them up. That's the emperor's new clothes - when no one is brave enough to be the first to admit that something that was supposed to be great is really terrible. Lady Gaga Adam Lambert |
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Here's a scenario.
You and your friends are all obsessed with an artist. Their new album is hyped as though it's the second coming and you decide it will be one of the musical events of your year. Then it comes out and it's awful. But you and your friends all desperately cling onto the hype, discuss it and rave about it, and never ever bring up the fact that it's awful, in a sort of silent agreement - because that would embarass all of you for the time you put into hyping them up. That's the emperor's new clothes - when no one is brave enough to be the first to admit that something that was supposed to be great is really terrible. The moral of the story is that ..he was the arse not the fans please read the story |
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The fawning over Jahmene fits the parable. He reminds me a little of Danyl Johnson - there was a comparable fervour about him generated by the producers and judges, despite the fact that altogether far too many of his attempted vocal acroabtics missed the tightrope completely.
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Rubbish ...the point of the story is that the "emperor" was so caught up in his "own" hype that he believed the the con man he believed "he was invincible" ..spoon fed on his own ego
The moral of the story is that ..he was the arse not the fans please read the story The other part is the psychology of crowds. The crowd believed they were stupid if they couldn't see it, because the Emperor had told them that as he himself believed it. People were afraid of looking stupid so joined in with the rest. Until someone speaks up at the risk of ridicule. You see the psychology of crowds at work with everything, from XF, to BB, to Facebook, to Twitter. |
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That's not the moral at all, it's only part of it.
The other part is the psychology of crowds. |
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But they saw through it did they not..this a childrens book designed to teach a moral ..have you sat there and read it to a child ..black and white is how they see it ..they cant do anything else ..there are better books put there tha explain the crowd mentality ..
![]() Children's books, fairy tales, parables, often teach very clever things. Because that's what they are intended to do. |
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That's not the moral at all, it's only part of it.
The other part is the psychology of crowds. The crowd believed they were stupid if they couldn't see it, because the Emperor had told them that as he himself believed it. People were afraid of looking stupid so joined in with the rest. Until someone speaks up at the risk of ridicule. You see the psychology of crowds at work with everything, from XF, to BB, to Facebook, to Twitter. but in the book the crowd come through in the end it takes the inocence of a small child to point it out..wish it could be like this in real life ..thats what it taught throu the book ..say what you see with no comeback..nice talking to you
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Ok Did not see this ..agree with you you have a point
but in the book the crowd come through in the end it takes the inocence of a small child to point it out..wish it could be like this in real life ..thats what it taught throu the book ..say what you see with no comeback..nice talking to you![]() ![]() Well done to the OP as well for bringing it up! |
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Thanks for all the explanations everyone, much appreciated
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The fawning over Jahmene fits the parable. He reminds me a little of Danyl Johnson - there was a comparable fervour about him generated by the producers and judges, despite the fact that altogether far too many of his attempted vocal acroabtics missed the tightrope completely.
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The story goes the emperor wanted new clothes . A tailor made him garments made of the finest cloth but only the truly wise and clever could see this cloth ( unfortunately there wasn't really any cloth ) The emperor parades in his new wonderful outfit , everyone cheers at the magnificence of his garment , except for one small boy who says "He's naked !" Jahmene is the prime example of this , though through no fault of his own has been thrust into this elevated position by the judges and producers and many of the public have lapped it up . At least Rylan and Chris get told occasionally that they sound like crap .
The moral of the story is about power the emp is the person in charge And forget the x factor contestants in all of this...he is vunerable and so caught up in his own POWER that he cannot see that he has no clothes He tried to sell that to his subjects who worship him..because they have no choice..its takes a small boy to point out the truth This story is about the the fact ..the person in charge of everything thinks he is invincibe to the point of stupidity The moral of the story is..dont be stupid just because you are in a postion of power This is a story to teach children..as an adult i think have learned this lessons Or have i
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Olly Murs sums it up.
All hype and no substance whatsoever. Like the little boy who spoke the truth many people see the black and white. Unfortunately, there are those who will never see the wood for the trees. Now there is something else we may have to explain.
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Olly Murs sums it up.
All hype and no substance whatsoever. Like the little boy who spoke the truth many people see the black and white. Unfortunately, there are those who will never see the wood for the trees. Now there is something else we may have to explain. ![]() |
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The moral of the story isnt about power and getting caught in your own hype.
Its about getting taken in and not admitting that you've been fooled, deceiving yourself as to the fact that you could be wrong. The Emperor doesnt admit that he can't see the clothes because the tailor tells him that only the finest people can see the clothes. Its not that he's caught up in his own hype and thinks he is the finest kind of person and deceives himself into saying he can't see the clothes; he pretends to be able to see the clothes so that he can convince the tailor and the people in the palace that he is indeed one of the finest kind of people. The crowd then also don't want to go against the grain and admit that they can't see the clothes because this would be admitting that they arent the best kind of people themselves. There's a similar story in which another Emperor gives everyone in his kingdom a seed and tells them that whoever grows the best plant will be his heir. All the people come to the palace with these wonderful fabulous plants apart from this one boy who just brings a pot of earth. It turns out that the seeds the Emperor gave out were duds and would not grow, but only one person was brave enough to go against the grain and tell the truth. There is power-play in it but its not the main thrust of the story. Sorry! |
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