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How the voting change has given the producers more power
Thought this topic deserves some discussion because now we are some weeks in it has altered things dramatically. To the point contestants aren't even hitting the bottom 2 twice, it's all rather convenient. Especially with things like the early exit of Grumpy Gary's ones, and the ongoing battle of the boyblands with alternating fortunes that must keep rumbling on to bring in the votes and supply that storyline.
The producers actually have a lot more power with the bottom 2 now, the change in the voting lets them shift fortunes of contestants by shifting them back or forward when they perform. And knowing the level of support that is there already. In the last 3 saw Gary's acts in the bottom 2 three times, twice being fatal. That's how they got that storyline. Also killed Jade this week. On first saved District 3 in the first show, and boosted attention and support for Lucifer. No one needs to watch all the performances now to vote, no incentive to watch to the end, and every incentive to vote straight after your favourite has performed. It's all much more subtle than before, which is why the bookies have struggled so much. The death slot/pimp slot was much more brutal and just relied on people forgetting about someone by the time the lines opened. Peak viewing is in the first hour, so are the most votes up for grabs now. |
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I thought it gave them less?
Before it was so easy for the producers to manipulate the show by just putting them on first or second and then their vote would fall considerably. Now though I think it's much fairer, and you can easily get through if you go on near the end if your performance was good, Ella, Jahmene and James haven't had a problem.
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Apparently something like 80-90% of voting happened immediately after the show or during Sunday's show in previous years. So now that the voting rush is happening while the show is still on, for those at the end - Carolynne, Melanie, Jade - it's far too late for them to catch up before they've even gone on stage.
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I thought it gave them less?
Before it was so easy for the producers to manipulate the show by just putting them on first or second and then their vote would fall considerably. Now though I think it's much fairer, and you can easily get through if you go on near the end if your performance was good, Ella, Jahmene and James haven't had a problem.On late with a small fanbase and you are doomed, no matter what you sing or how you sing it. And that is precisely what has happened each week so far. Opening lines before anyone has sung anything is the very definition of unfair in a supposed singing competition. It's just much more subtle than before
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Pretty obvious when you think about it.
I'm gonna be watching more closely next week with this in mind, and gonna see if I can predict the bottom 2. |
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Its battle of the fanbases this year. Makes it even more interesting when the amount of acts get shorter in coming weeks.
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Apparently something like 80-90% of voting happened immediately after the show or during Sunday's show in previous years. So now that the voting rush is happening while the show is still on, for those at the end - Carolynne, Melanie, Jade - it's far too late for them to catch up before they've even gone on stage.
They still voted though before switching off if they felt like it, probably for the last one they watched who they were waiting for. Doesn't do the ones who came after any good though, no matter how well they did. |
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Using Carolynne as an example:
Would it really be fair, if they did the show as in previous years, then two hours after the lines had opened, Carolynne was on? Because that's exactly what happened in real terms, and the ONLY reason she was in the bottom two. |
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It's about existing fanbases, which they know and we can only tell when an act hits the bottom 2.
On late with a small fanbase are you are doomed, no matter what you sing or how you sing it. One thing I must note is that the running order this year has been pretty fair to all contestants. No one has been deliberately put at the beginning or the end on a weekly basis. |
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That's partly true but you could say the same about previous years just in reverse. The voting will never be fair and personally I think this is the fairest way to do it. I disagree with the last bit though, if someone gave a brilliant performance right at the very end the amount of people voting at that stage should be enough to send them through.
One thing I must note is that the running order this year has been pretty fair to all contestants. No one has been deliberately put at the beginning or the end on a weekly basis. The show loses viewers by the end, no incentive to watch them all. It's incredibly unfair, and has proved deadly for exactly the ones we expected it to. Like Kye for example, which I and others called and the bookies had no clue. Gary's acts have been stuffed in the last 3 each time to get them in the bottom 2. And also with Jade tonight, it's very obvious by now. |
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Refer to my previous post.
The show loses viewers by the end, no incentive to watch them all. It's incredibly unfair, and has proved deadly for exactly the ones we expected it to. Like Kye for example, which I and others called and the bookies had no clue. Gary's acts have been stuffed in the last 3 each time to get them in the bottom 2. And also with Jade tonight, it's very obvious by now. |
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I don't think the producers were really too aware of how the voting change effected voting patterns until a few shows passed.
They seemed to scramble around with the running order trying different things out. |
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I totally get what you're saying but I don't think it's any more unfair than it was before. I guess we can only wait for the voting percentages though to see how the percentages varied between contestants when they went on early/late.
You don't open phonelines before anyone has sung anything! You've just created more of a popularity contest than you had already, and stopped people having to watch all of them before casting their verdict. It's PURELY a war of fanbases now, a popularity war, hence all the sob stories, hence the battle of the boyblands, hence better singers being sacrificed all over the place. The show couldn't possibly be MORE unfair now! |
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Anyone recall the singing orders for all of the weeks until now?
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Anyone recall the singing orders for all of the weeks until now?
It's a relation between fanbases and when they perform. We only have a clue though of the support by who hits the bottom 2. Which is also why no one has twice yet, it keeps everyone guessing about which direction they are going. Handy for the voting, and the whole problem with the Lucifer debacle. |
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They know the fanbases from the voting each week, they know what is required to bring them up or bring them down. It was all done like a sledgehammer before with on first and forgotten or on last and not. People are completely missing it this time which is why the ones perceived at risk by the bookies never are. Or why no one has even been in the bottom 2 twice yet.
You don't open phonelines before anyone has sung anything! You've just created more of a popularity contest than you have already, and stopped people having to watch all of them before casting their verdict. It's PURELY a war of fanbases now, hence all the sob stories, hence the battle of the boyblands, hence better singers being sacrificed all over the place. The show couldn't possibly be MORE unfair now! |
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It would be good to get them and break them down into the bottom 2 and when they performed. Gary's have been very obvious, handy that with the theme this year.
It's a relation between fanbases and when they perform. We only have a clue though of the support by who hits the bottom 2. Which is also why no one has twice yet, it keeps everyone guessing. Week 1: 9/13 12/13 Week 2: 7/12 12/12 Week 3: 2/11 9/11 Week 4: 2/9 8/9 Interesting that the 8/9 area seems very vulnerable, same with #2 in the last few weeks. |
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Bottom two:
Week 1: 9/13 12/13 Week 2: 7/12 12/12 Week 3: 2/11 9/11 Week 4: 2/9 8/9 Interesting that the 8/9 area seems very vulnerable, same with #2 in the last few weeks. Because they are deliberately alternating the fortunes of them. |
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Do the 2's involve the boyblands at all?
Because they are deliberately alternating the fortunes of them. District 3 went on 7th when they were bottom two, Union J went on 3rd the same week. Interestingly enough, every week bar week one Union J have went on earlier than District 3. |
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MK1 and Union J, both groups.
District 3 went on 7th when they were bottom two, Union J went on 3rd the same week. Interestingly enough, every week bar week one Union J have went on earlier than District 3. I have Union J as the one left standing, because they got heavy branding with their name on stage in the very first live show which makes them look more 'established' than they really are. And whips fans up into a frenzy. District 3 got no branding at all until their 'comeback' last week, where suddenly District 3 was on the giant videoscreen behind them, and on a venue's sign as well! How they have improved! ![]() That momentum has carried on, until they swap it again. It's all very cynical, and related to the change in voting and hooking fanbases as long as possible with the storyline. |
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Interesting isn't it.
I have Union J as the one left standing, because they got heavy branding with their name on stage in the very first live show which makes them look more 'established' than they really are. And whips fans up into a frenzy. District 3 got no branding at all until their 'comeback' last week, where suddenly District 3 was on the giant videoscreen behind them, and on a venue's sign as well! How they have improved! ![]() That momentum has carried on, until they swap it again. It's all very cynical, and related to the change in voting and hooking fanbases as long as possible with the storyline. What will be interesting though is the order the groups go in. |
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Incidentally they used to justify opening the phonelines at the start only in the final by saying that by the final people already knew how good someone was and who they liked.
Which was admitting it was unfair and people wouldn't be judging it on the night. This year they've completely contradicted themselves but people have swallowed what they said just because they've been told it's fairer now! No one had any idea what people were like at the start, you had barely heard them sing at all in between all the sob-stories. The only ones to gain by the new system are, of course, the producers by it bringing in more money from voting being open longer, and as mentioned already the amount of control it now gives them. They can change the fortunes of multiple contestants simultaneously. It also says to the fanbases, vote right away, vote as much as you can, and don't even wait for the singing or consider anyone else because it doesn't even matter. Right from the very first week. Which has warped everything. |
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Bottom two:
Week 1: 9/13 12/13 Week 2: 7/12 12/12 Week 3: 2/11 9/11 Week 4: 2/9 8/9 Interesting that the 8/9 area seems very vulnerable, same with #2 in the last few weeks. |
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Which only says to me that the theory may have been appropriate in the first two weeks when we knew very little about any of the contestants but less of an issue now we know who has talent and who doesn't.
Jade? And the most out-of-tune and unbearable one unable to be shifted like a cockroach after global thermonuclear war? Not even hitting the bottom 2? XF is a personality contest not a talent contest, always has been this has just grossly exaggerated it as intended. Which is why the pre-recorded shows before the lives were drowning in TOWIE nonsense and sob-stories. And still are. When you can vote before anyone has sung it's NOT a singing contest, least of all a fair one! |
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Bananafish - cough as much as you want but.... Jade's performance on Saturday was bloody awful. It really was. And whilst I agree that the mincing nomark who keeps in week after week has nothing to do with the position of his performance whatsoever but 1. The Voters hate the manipulation of the show so much they just treat it as a joke - like him 2. The production budget is blown each week to hide his lack of singing voice. 3. The singular lack of talent opposing him outside Ella and James. Quote:
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Jade? And the most out-of-tune and unbearable one unable to be shifted like a cockroach after global thermonuclear war? Not even hitting the bottom 2? XF is a personality contest not a talent contest, always has been this has just grossly exaggerated it as intended. Which is why the pre-recorded shows before the lives were drowning in TOWIE nonsense and sob-stories. And still are. When you can vote before anyone has sung it's NOT a singing contest, least of all a fair one! |
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Before it was so easy for the producers to manipulate the show by just putting them on first or second and then their vote would fall considerably. Now though I think it's much fairer, and you can easily get through if you go on near the end if your performance was good, Ella, Jahmene and James haven't had a problem.