To me, it makes sense anyway that they'd get signed quick, if you've got two record companies fighting over an act, they're gonna want to do the deal as fast as possible, for fear of the other company getting in there. The probable reason nothing much is coming out now is that Louis opened his gob faster than would have been liked by Sony and Cowell, because it takes the pee out of the supposed competition. I mean they haven't denyed it, have they?

I suspect we wont see a single for about 3 weeks to a month though, to give Steve a clear run.

Yep, but I suspect they'll do so next time round anyway. They get caught up in the excitement and want to be a part of it and want their "guy" to win. Simon hopes, anyway

syco have denied it, it came from the horses mouth last night, they answered that to the reporter from teletext

Ok, could be damage limitation though. We'll see I guess

I don't think that anyone who voted Steve wasted their money - he won the competition and got a deal - I don't think he would have got signed without the show.

and I don't think that anyone who voted G4 wasted their money. It was a show of support and I'm sure the reason they got signed so quickly was because they ran steve so close. If the final had been a non-event with the act in second place being vastly inferior (PI2 - not that MMM was great...), I don't believe the second act would have got a deal.

what I do believe is that adding 5p onto the vote charge would have created £400 000 for charity...

i would be well and truly pissed off if i had voted for steve to get a recording contract, only to find out the second place had been give a contract to release a record within a couple of weeks as well,....i would be pissed of if it was vice versa with the acts as well

well only if you didn't want both acts to do well. It's not as though they've said G4 have also won. There can be only one person who can claim to be 'winner of X factor' (well steve and si I suppose)

I thought it was obvious that 2nd place acts would get deals - it always happens...

But if the runner-up is such an outstanding talent you can hardly blame record companies bidding to sign them. As it turns out Louis has gone with Sony Music who sponsor the programme, so therefore the 3-month tie-in doesn`t apply as it would with say Decca Music who also wanted to sign them.

...and sadly the winner seems to be getting all the really negative press at the moment........they are like vultures, not nice at all. Steve deserves better than that.

why when sony dont own the programme format should the 3 month tie in not apply......there is a difference between sponsering and owning a company,......or does that mean that if i sponser someone i can tell them what to do

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS???????????...........sorry for shouting but you just won't answer.

head..bang ....wall....comes to mind

Maybe Simon could go against Sony if he wanted to (who knows whats in the contracts), but he'd probably find himself out of a job as their head of A&R, or whatever he is. Why rock the boat?

because he has some of the biggest stars under his wing, a lot would go with him to a new label, there were a lot of big U.S. names brought to sony from RCA when sony merged with BMG, and clever simon had them sign contracts that they could get out of easily, simons not that daft, if sony try to rock his new babys(SYCO) boat i can see trouble ahead, simon makes more from his tv stuff than he does sony, ,,,but if simon makes a lot of money from G4 without harming syco i can see a forthcomming release

As far as I understand the contracts and the conditions that were drummed into us during the show, no act involved in the X factor can sign for any of the following (sony/bmg) labels

Arista Records
BMG Classics
BMG Heritage
BMG International Companies
Columbia Records
Epic Records
J Records
Jive Records
LaFace Records
Legacy Recordings
Provident Music Group
RCA Records
RCA Victor Group
RLG - Nashville
Sony Classical
Sony Music International
Sony Music Nashville
Sony Wonder
Sony Urban Music
So So Def Records
Verity Records

They may sign for any other label but may not release a record or go on tour for a minimum of 3 months.

Until I see an official news release, I belive that any contracts are only in negotiation and the "news" is just Louis hyping up G4 (which is obviously his job )

thankyou munta

Sorry (me just being daft here...hence the name) why can't artists of xfactor signwith sony/bmg labels...???

Well whatever the current situation, I'll bet G4 have a single and/or album out within 2 months

this is all a bit confusing ...G4 will make someone alot of money! Simon works for sony/bmg... so if they wanted to sign G4...why would simon try to stop that...plus if G4 is under simons contract...wouldn't simon make a lot of money .... never knew simon to turn down money!!!

As I said - my understanding and nothing more nor less.

Simon is under contract to Sony/BMG as head of A&R (or something like that. He said during the contest that "we will not be offering a contract to anyone other than the winner". My understanding is that it is Sony/BMG giving the contract and not Syco (Simons TV production company). In fact, Steve has signed to RCA which sort of proves it is a Sony/BMG contract.

So as the Head of A&R, Simon was the spokesman for Sony/BMG on the program and as such the "we will not offer...." must refer to Sony/BMG and not Syco.

I may well be wrong, but that was what I would assume given the nature of what was said and Simons relationship to all the parties.

it is confusing, but by louie saying that G4 have a recording contract and most of G4 fans saying there will be a recording released within the next couple of weeks, puts in doubts of the validity of simons constant statement that only the winner will get a contract from the tv programme,......a programme that was concived by simons company SYCO, this in turn could lead to fraud as simon is an exec at sony/bmg the label that is supposed to have signed G4......the public voted for the winner to get a contract from sony/bmg, not the runner up....so if G4 dont release anything until the three month contract with the programme makers (SYCO), is up all is fair and square,... but if they do all it takes is a member of the public to say i voted for the winner to release a record not the runner up a nasty smell could emerge,...... because in the contract it says that no act can record with any other label within the three months,......but if syco release G4 from this contract they could record and release, ...but we then get back to the validity of the programme, ....its a vicious circle, the best thing would be is for G4 to wait till the three months are up

I assume you've seen other shows of this nature, right? And you didn't realise that there's be more than one signed? Naive much?

And yes, voting in these talent shows is a waste of time and money, that's why it is done by a very select group of people, that get carried away. The kind that argue to the hilt, in defense and praise of people they do not know, apart from knowing they can just about carry a tune.

Thinking that Simon saying HE would not be signing the losers, does not mean that they would not be signed up.

Actualy, I recal Simon being asked about this on an interview. He was asked if there was to be a contract for the runner up and he said no. When pressed about how long that that was to last he said "forever".

So if I recall correctly, that means that Sony/BMG will never sign G4 (although I assume they could sign them off of another company with out losing face).

More likely Decca would sign them as someone has already suggested. And that would give a minimum of three months before release of any record.

Does anyone else remember this comment from Simon?

Thanks! so confusing!!!...do you think though if Simon stood to make a lot of money, he would release G4 from their Syco contract ?? would simon risk waiting 3 months to let the hype die down... wouldn't it make more sense for simon to cash in on both acts??? I know it may not sound fair to some, but simon is afterall a business man... he has also done this before with will and gareth...

I think I remember that on xtra factor... but simon would be mad to let G4 go to another company... that's all I am saying... how stupid would he feel (when ) G4 sells millions! Plus the voting was so close... both acts stand to make loads of money...simon won't give that up... would he???