No, nor can I, he takes after his Uncle Max. I have always liked Max a) for the fact that he can just about speak without moving his lips, b) he calls all women 'babe' (not Cora, yuk) just in case he gets the wrong name. At least you always know where you are with Max!

It kinda sounds like she says it with an i to me- Syid

It sounds like Syead. You'd think she would know how to say it after all this time

Even though he's still keeping them himself

Just watched Chryed's scenes ( as I ff the rest of the ep, I saw a helluva lot of Brannings & Mitchell's, can't say tptp aren't consistent) and it was painful viewing, Christian talking with Roxy, he is just a completely broken man. After Syed 2 ILY tonight, is inability to say those 3 little words next week, can only make sense if DTW is lying and he is devastated that Christian clearly believes the lie.
I am dreading how it plays out tomorrow night and do we know if they b**** U* then or on Monday ?

Quite enjoyed tonight's episode

Syed hasn't said - 'I needed to know I could be me without you' - yet this week so that must be in tomorrow's episode?
Looks like they've held quite a bit of details out in the spoilers too.

Oooooooh what's this?

A script peek for sometime this week - it was taken from the EE Quote Me game.
That's all we know about it at the moment

I am dreading tomorrow as well. Btw does anyone know if Christian arrest is the duff duff or will we get Syed and Danny confrontation on friday or...monday? /iz confused


Hmmm I'm not sure I like this line but this depends on the context. I think it's a valid concern but if he says this to Christian because of something with Danny then well...

ETA: I don't know if people already know this which I think they do but EE was the most watched soap on Tuesday during Christian and Danny showdown.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...6-million.html

Just saw this - not true! You can link it anywhere if you want. Not really sure why I put it as unlisted, blame lack of sleep from the weekend.

Rhumba, if you're still around or if anyone else wants to see it, it was the opening vid for the con, here: We're Still Here.

Hmmmm interesting. It doesn't necessarily link to sex with Danny....it could be about starting the 'businesses' in the first place??

The notion that Syed - who's in his mid/late twenties - is re-assessing and re- evaluating his life is something that chimes at true, for me, esp because he spent his formative years in denial and pleasing others. I can even imagine it reaches the 'do I want to be with this person forever? Is he my soulmate?' type Q's. I just don't like how it's been executed.

How come we NEVER got a couple promo shot in 3 AND A HALF YEARS???

And this is exactly it. The execution has been dire and badly contrived all the way through. If they'd explored this properly last year, even breaking Chryed up for a while after BF with Christian pushing for adoption and Syed needing to re-assess whether this is what he really wants - maybe even exploring a relationship with someone else - then that could have been a brilliant storyline that could have ended with them getting back together and a stronger relationship in the long run. But to cram all of this stuff in in the last few weeks and not actually explore any of it properly has just resulted in a mess of a storyline.


EE hate us. :sleep:

Honestly, I think it's probably just an oversight rather than a sinister conspiracy theory - but it's utterly ridiculous and borderline offensive. Can anyone remember the last time a big wedding episode didn't promo shots taken of the couple? Even Fatboy and Mercy got a shoot for their wedding! Darren and Jodie!

Even bloody Heather and Minty. :sleep: And Ian and Mandy who never even made it to the venue

Even Joey & Lauren get a photo shoot!!

/not over that yet :sleep:

Yeah, I even left a comment on that...agreeing with 'the above posters' who I have never met before in my life :sleep::sleep::sleep:

loll (well not really lol but this reminds me of the interview with BK when he wanted to talk about kalfie return but viewers wanted to know about Chryed- again EE see chryed are popular as atm Chryed are the main topic of comments on the Joey and lauren fashion shoot page thing ) Good on those viewers for leaving comments about the blatant lack of Chryed promo shots! EE needs to be pulled up on this, they really do!! It was such a disappointment that they basically chose not give chryed promo shots when at times they obviously could have and should have i.e. CPWeek

Have just watched on BBC 3. How frustrating that even now when we're supposed to be having a big build up to Christian and Syed leaving, we've actually only been getting as much screentime as they should be been getting all along. Certainly not front and centre of the show. Still an ancillary plot.

Time for bed, methinks.

Thanks Dessie I wanted to show it to my daughter, and it's flamin' wonderful and funny.


I just feel sad.

I felt so, so sad for Syed tonight - he wants Christian to talk to him, he wants to understand what's going on.

He's wearing the other boot.


And Christian has so so lost his faith - hardly believes anything Syed says - the texts he wasn't told about the awful hint of 'more', Danny's words.

He feels like that muscle mary and can't believe himself and what he feels anymore.

Broken Christian is terrible to me, but done so well, and so psychologically true - he's taken a hell of a lot.

I'm going to throw some rambly thoughts out there. I fear this may not be very coherent or consistent but I'm going to let my fingers do the talking and see what comes out!

I am actually kind of liking where they're taking Chryed, at least where they were today.

Ever since first kiss, there has never been any doubt about their love for each other. Even when they split up, neither denied or doubted their love. Doubted that they could be together, yes. But even when Christian left before the wedding, even Syed got married, even when Syed rejected Christian after the reveal, Christian never doubted that Syed loved him. He only doubted Syed's ability to follow his heart and choose to be with him. Even on Chryed's wedding day, Christian still firmly believed that Syed loved him - he just wasn't sure that Syed would overcome his wobbles and go through with the wedding. And Syed reaffirmed his love for Christian in his vows.

What we have now, however, is very different. This is the first time that Christian has started to doubt Syed's feelings, doubt that Syed loves him as much as he loves Syed. And I actually think these fears are totally understandable, given all the lying, the kiss, Christian's underlying insecurities and DTW twisting the knife.

It's painful to watch, because a) sad Christian b) Chryed not getting on and c) we know his fears and doubts are unfounded.

However, the love is still there. It is clear that Christian is not falling out of love with Syed, but is terrified of losing him, because he loves him so much. If he didn't love him, he wouldn't be so sad, so broken, so angry. And it is clear (to us) that Syed loves Christian - he said it at the wedding, and showed it by turning up, he said it again tonight and is clearly completely not interested in DTW and very worried about Christian.

While it's certainly not the story I would have chosen (not an angst whore, would much prefer Chryed happy and united against the world) I am surprising myself by not totally hating their unhappiness, because the underlying love is still there.

It's reminding me of Chrolli (who I love, but nowhere near on the same level as Chryed) - they managed to get through 8 months of cheating, splitting up, seeing other people and getting divorced while all their friends and family and viewers were screaming at the screen STOP BEING STUPID YOU CLEARLY STILL LOVE EACH OTHER TALK TO EACH OTHER YOU IDIOTS!

And I think this is what we're all going to be doing. Chryed are still in love, still want to be together but let pride and anger and stupidity get in the way - for a bit.

For those who don't follow them, it actually took one of Chrolli flatlining in hospital for them both to realise how stupid they were being, and now they are once again happily married.

So I'm just going to brace myself for a lot of screaming at the telly, safe in the knowledge that they will eventually realise what idiots they are being and that it will all end happily.

Did that make any sense? Was there a point? I'm going to sleep now. :yawn::sleep:

I liked it, because, as you say - they still really love each other. But for the first time Christian doubts that.

And it's away from the 'gay' thing, and away from the central struggle.

It's about what Syed wants NOW, and it has been made realistic enough to understand.

I'm so glad that tonight I really felt Syed's worry and love for Christian.

And his declarations of that.

And I can understand why Christian doesn't believe him - he was so broken tonight - that insidious doubt of his importance to Syed. His exhaustion was particularly telling.

Hello

A belated congratulations to couiditbemagic on the op

Thank you for the screencaps Jenn The last one was heartbreaking

I thought Johnny was amazing tonight. Poor broken Christian


That is a brilliant video, thank you for posting it


Lovely video and choice of song Thank you


After crying watching Chryed tonight, then again reading the posts about Chryed leaving in two weeks I really needed something to make me laugh -thank you.

Just watching this now. This is amazing! Thanks for posting!

BIB: Same. I'm really worried that this sl will make me hate Syed (well, the writers for screwing him over but ykwim) and that I'll end up feeling Christian's better off without him but tonight I felt that Syed was totally sincere when he said he loved him. I still have no idea how he gets to the point next week where he can't say it but the fact he said it twice tonight (in 40 seconds of screentime ) suggests that whatever his reason for not saying it, it's certainly not cos he doesn't feel it.

As for Christian, it's heartbreaking to see him so broken and defeated and so ironic that he's now doing what Syed did, lying and hiding things, which is what got them into this mess in the first place It's understandable to an extent, he's scared to confront Syed cos he thinks Syed will confirm it and he'll have to accept it's over, but I don't like him lying about it being a homophobic attack. It's offensive to genuine victims, like crying rape, and I don't believe Christian would do that. Something else to put down to bad writing I'm still dreading tomorrow and next week but have slightly more hope now that they won't completely destroy Chryed and Pete will have enough left to work with to give them the ending they deserve.

Having said all that, my optimistic mood tonight probably has less to do with what happened on screen than with the fact I went to see Tape again today with a couple of other Chryedians We stayed for the Q&A, which was really interesting and fun, and had a brief chat with Marc (and got a hug each from him ) on the stage floor, right by the "motel door" Seriously, if anyone hasn't been yet, you MUST!!! It's such a good play, well-written, engaging, thought-provoking, and really funny in parts too. The acting is superb and Marc has great chemistry with Darren Bransford. And if all that doesn't persuade you, maybe these three words will: Marc.Vest.Boxers :sleep:

I see it more simply.

I'm not hating Syed at the moment (and I've been pissed off with him - seeing it storywise) because his love feels palpable.

I feel the irony of Christian lying, and of Christian using 'homophobia' as a coverall, because it FEELS SO WRONG for his character.

And that WORKS for me - because all that Christian IS loves Syed, and knows that Syed loves him.

And he is BROKEN, he's lost his centre, his faith in himself and in Syed's love. And THUS he lies, he uses what he knows, without thinking properly.

He's tired, he's beaten, literally and figuratively - he's broken - he no longer trusts HIMSELF - hard fought for, indomitatble Christian. And thus he no longer trusts his feeling for Syed, and no longer trusts Syed.

It's heartbreaking actually, terrible, and clever of EE.

Great post Alex, and I agree You too Rhumba!


Hi, you're welcome! And yes, I thought so too. Especially the scene in the gym


I think it might be a case of Syed being incredulous that Christian wants him to say it maybe? So it's not that he can't say it but it's more that he won't say it because he thinks he's being tested. But, I dunno, just guessing

But I also agree that I don't like Christian lying, for any reason, because I just don't think he would; goes against his morals. But at the same time I can see that he's just snapped and is scared of losing everything.

BIB eeeeeeeeee!! So happy for you and the others The Q&A must have been interesting, and yay for a Marc hug! I'm glad I at least got to see it when I was over for the con, I thought it was amazing.