i wont sit on any fence, i think the boys are average, i love classical but they are not my cup of tea, i have never called the boys losers,..i have called their fans losers, especially the ones who send vile threats through the personal messages, i think there is a copy of it on page 233 of the appreciation thread, good luck to the boys and any of the acts that have been shown,... but i wont bow down to the fans who will not accept that steve won fair and square

.....methinks baileybots has suddenly gone shy (most out of character)

I comes back here to day and it still rages what is the matter with you lot, please pack it in, I keep asking and I said I would leave for a while and I have and it is still the same. No one is a loser, no one is sore thats something you are when yer cut yourself! I am a TAbs fans and I just wish people would stop being so mean. All over the place this is going on, thanks to Mr Anseel for saying what he has as well. It is over I keep saying this, get over it, be pleased for all the finalists that would be cool now don't yer think.

Peppermint (candy)

if this carries on I am not coming back here again cos I don't like all the horrible nasty posts and jabs at people some of you here are really not nice at all. Why are you Stevie fans having a go, HE WON good god we would think he lost the way you are having a go, go off and celebrate loosen up for gods sake.

no penny i have answerd, but you were one of those that agreed with mocha before the thread was taken from the forum

was she really?
Now THAT is very interesting

Penny im disppointed

What thread was taken was it when I was off the site as tabs had lost least i styaed away, i hate this place at the moment it aint at all nice yer know. what did they do then that you hate g4s fans, they aint all like that I bet yer. some are nice they are on the pop idol uk com site and they set it all up nice now yer been an looked steve has a sectio n and the g4s do as well and ther aint this awful fightin i think i will go and post over there and read there as this is depressive

Peppermint (dandy)

......Emzy, look back at the thread.......I agreed with what Moch said very early on in the thread .........it then turned nasty later, when I was not around. So before you comment, look back and read

no you agreed with the comments she made on the thread that was taken off the forum , yours was the second off last post.

.....run it past me again baileybots....was that the thread about bullying on these Forums At no time did I ever say anything offensive, I merely agreed with what Mocha said. Don`t involve me with the offensive PM between 2 people.

yes it was that thread , and if you had read it you would not have agreed with mocha, but i will give you the benifit of the doubt that you did not read the thread properly, ...you personaly did not say anything offensive..., but you did post that you agreed with mocha, and it was a red rag to a bull, i f you had read the posts you would have seen some pretty disgusted people G4 fans as well as others, i would advise you to read right through a thread,( that one was small ) before you jump on your band waggon

Baileybots, you are, of course, entitled not to like G4 - nobody has said that what they do should be appreciated by everyone.

But I must ask, how can you justify your comment that the boys are 'average'? In comparison to what? Not personally liking them does not make them 'average'.

I can assure you that none of the G4 lads are 'average'. To give you an example and focus on a member other than Jon, Ben was a member of the choir I sang with, the National Youth Choir, which is the 100-odd best singers of a particular age group in the country. Not only that, but he was the tenor 1 section leader, so that puts him in the top 8. Add to that the fact that he was selected for Laudibus, a chamber choir which accepts only the very best, and that should give you an idea of how far above 'average' he is.

As I have said before, I know my stuff when it comes to the voice, and can, if required, provide a very good argument as to what makes G4 brilliant.

Mr A - if you have indeed been reading these boards for the last few weeks, then I salute your bravery for posting, you must have been aware of what the place can be like!

(I can also see where Jon gets his clever comebacks from )

Regarding the X Factor competition: G4 LOST, Steve WON. That is a FACT.

Mocha took part in a debate, which got heated. Mocha participated on an equal basis - that is to say that the remarks from Mocha were equal to any other remarks within that thread. Mocha was in the minority regarding an opinion in the thread and decided everyone in the thread was a bully. Mocha overstepped the line and was banned. A thread that mocha also created making accusations was erased as it was inappropriate.

I won't question your knowledge of the voice, but I do feel qualified to question your knowledge of statistics. For your statement that the National Youth Choir is the 100 best singers in their age group in the country would require them to have been selected from that whole population (or at least a sample of them selected by statistical means) rather than just those that auditioned. Auditionees are a self-selecting group - there may be many more talented singers with better quality voices who don't audition.

penny you were shouting at me the other day,and i was being nice about g4 how nice they were in defeat,but you said how bad i was cos i was having a dig at sharon, and doing some anti g4 threads,but after the final i gave g4 a lot of credit.and how i was letting team steave down,i am stevs biggest fan,johny english is the worst though jeeez never seen so much hate for anyone,and never in a jokey way.

its my opinion, i think G4 are average, it could be the songs, the arrangements the harmony, i am just not keen on them, they could be the best singers in the world and it would not matter, they are not gods why should we all bow down to them, i know about opera and singing i know jon is a good singer/performer, there are no specifics why i am not keen on them, and i do not need to be taught or persuaded to like them by anyone, dont i have a right to my own opinion or should we be all brainwashed to love G4

you might want to try looking at the posting history of some users like
MochaFrapuccino

there have been some pretty clear cases of bad loser syndrome from some G4 fans, why stick your head in the sand and pretend there hasnt ?

Secondly, just about every post you make seeming to really lay it on thick about how fantastic and wonderfull and happy and brilliant everything is, dont you think your overdoing it a bit ?

Its starting to look really false.

like somone else said, it seems that its being "said through gritted teeth with a big fake smile"

well my daughter Qualified and was asked to join the NYC but she did not have the time to travel and attend. so by spells way of thinking my daughter must be one of the best 100 taught by me

Very true after all, the other 3 members of G4 weren't in NYC.

The point remains the same, however, you have to be distinctly better than 'average' to get in to the NYC in the first place.

That can't be right. You don't know anything about music. You don't rate G4

good few year singing opera in italy before the voice went, but then again i know nothing do i

When you say 'average' I presume you are speaking of the average for the whole population. I'd certainly agree with you that they are well above average by that measure.

However, baileybots may have been thinking of the population of opera singers when s/he said 'average', and on that measure I'd have to agree with him/her.

Shame, NYC offers some great experiences. Mind you, if your daughter was that bored by italian arias, some of those modern latin masses would have driven her insane!

Seems a bit odd to pay the audition fee when you had no intention of her joining. Still, I expect you had your reasons.

No, muggsy, I'm not. I'm comparing G4 to other singers of their age group, and stand by my comment that they are way better than average, both individually and as a group.

I personally think that comparing these young lads with the population of opera singers is ridiculous. The operatic voice matures with age, a male singer of 30 is considered young. G4 are 22-24, and all have remarkably established voices for their age.

i didnt pay anything her collage paid for it all as an experience and thankyou for helping a young child from the main school site who has cancer, the NYC is not the be all and end all of a classical singer there are a good few small choirs out there who make a pretty good living from their concerts, and she loves modern masses she loves tavener but she loves beyonce as well

Well I must say, I've never been on a forum with so many opera singers with experience in Italy/Rome/etc or top 100 singers or people who've been in the music industry for 20+ years in my whole life...Why are they all here on digitalspy? That's what I'd like to know...!