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"That Nothern Irish one" would have though.
and if north and south were on the show, that would have made sense. If she was the only girl, you wouldn't need to refer to her as the blonde girl |
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Anyone else think she has a crush on Andrew.
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Didn't mind her before yesterday, but she was awful to Andrew last night. Clearly doesn't listen and if she's not careful, will be fired next time she hits the boardroom.
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Anyone else think she has a crush on Andrew.
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Anyone else think she has a crush on Andrew.
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and if north and south were on the show, that would have made sense.
If she was the only girl, you wouldn't need to refer to her as the blonde girl |
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What you said would make sense if a Northern Irish person was an Irish person from the North of Ireland, however nationality is a far more complex and sensitive issue here.
I'd suggest that within England a lot of people don't really see the distinction. Seeing the north as Irish in the same way as Scotland is Scottish, and still considering both to be British. For the sake of this discussion "here" isn't NI. Here is a thread where people are just using shorthand rather than going away and googling her name. As has been said it's based on accent rather than birthplace and I think you'd also be surprised how many Englanders can't tell the difference between the accents of the north & south. |
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I get your point and I understand some people don't know the situation. I didn't know people didn't;t know the differences in accents though!
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I'm not gonna wade into this argument about accents but I've just caught up on this week's....what a nasty little bitch she is. Seriously needs to learn to shut up and not just verbally attack everyone, her performance wasn't exactly stellar, seems her entire contribution this week was insulting her PM.....
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I get your point and I understand some people don't know the situation. I didn't know people didn't;t know the differences in accents though!
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At the end of the day, we all know who we're talking about when we say the Irish one, I don't care if anyone finds it offensive. At the end of the day, she is Irish, because she's from a part of Britain that isn't England, Wales or Scotland. If there was someone Welsh we wouldn't say the South Welsh one or the North Welsh one.
I know it's not quite as simple as that for political reasons, but let's get back to simplicity here. Ultimately, Irish is one word, Northern Irish is two, and if someone can't be bothered to look up her name, they probably can't be bothered to write the two words. We all know who is being referred to. |
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... just as many people outside England cannot tell the difference between North and South England accents, (many people lump Birmingham in the Midlands in with Manchester or any Northern Accent).
Anyway back on topic: having just watched the last program, I'm beginning to like her. |
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At the end of the day, we all know who we're talking about when we say the Irish one, I don't care if anyone finds it offensive. At the end of the day, she is Irish, because she's from a part of Britain that isn't England, Wales or Scotland. If there was someone Welsh we wouldn't say the South Welsh one or the North Welsh one.
I know it's not quite as simple as that for political reasons, but let's get back to simplicity here. Ultimately, Irish is one word, Northern Irish is two, and if someone can't be bothered to look up her name, they probably can't be bothered to write the two words. We all know who is being referred to. ![]() Actually she isn't automatically Irish just because she doesn't come from England Scotland or Wales, but it's probably best that you remain in your blissful state of ignorance. She gets on my wick by the way.... typical little Belfast madam. |
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She lives in Ireland, she is Irish. , we all know about the Northern Ireland is British thing and fair enough, but as someone said earlier if you are describing a character on a quick post and dont know the names as it is the first week then you go by accents or some other identifying characteristic, and to say "the British one" would have been a bit daft! she lives in Belfast, Belfast is on the Island of Ireland, so she is Irish.
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Actually she isn't automatically Irish just because she doesn't come from England Scotland or Wales, but it's probably best that you remain in your blissful state of ignorance.
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She lives in Ireland, she is Irish. , we all know about the Northern Ireland is British thing and fair enough, but as someone said earlier if you are describing a character on a quick post and dont know the names as it is the first week then you go by accents or some other identifying characteristic, and to say "the British one" would have been a bit daft! she lives in Belfast, Belfast is on the Island of Ireland, so she is Irish.
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I don't think I'm in a blissful state of ignorance, just trying to make things simpler.
I have no personal axe to grind here, I am English and living in Northern Ireland. |
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No, she isn't necessarily Irish. Plenty of people live in Belfast and don't consider themselves Irish. Would you call a Scottish person English just because they live on the same bit of land mass ?
Ireland is the land-mass. Anything on it is, nominally, Irish. Just as anything on North America is, nominally, American. I don't think there are many people who wouldn't admit to having described a Canadian as "the American one" before. And that is comparable. Not living in Ireland (the land mass - although I was about to say it without clarifying! In this thread!) I think it's perhaps easier for us than for you to ignore the political ramifications of calling someone Irish. Which might be wrong of us, I don't know. I think it's more a blissful ignorance thing, like George says - to us, it's someone else's battle. Can't apologise for anyone else, but I doubt many of us have enough local knowledge to tell the two accents apart. If I mix it up myself, I'll apologise, but it's such an easy mistake to make, and it's not like people are walking around wearing flags. Type "Ireland" into google, and my top two results are... Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland Ireland is an island to the north-west of continental Europe. It is the third-largest island in Europe and the twentieth-largest island on Earth. To its east is the ... Republic of Ireland - History of Ireland - Counties of Ireland - Culture of Ireland Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland Location of Ireland (dark green). – in Europe (green & dark grey) – in the European Union (green) — [Legend]. Capital (and largest city), Dublin · 53°20.65′N ... Ireland the land-mass comes before Ireland or Northern Ireland the country, and I think that's how it works in a lot of Brits' heads, too. People who live on Ireland are types of Irish - and it's rare that we can tell which type just by listening, so using the broader term is both easier to say, and it doesn't narrow it down to any specific, potentially wrong, nationality. Clearly, this is one of those instances where it hasn't quite worked. Not defending the mistake, necessarily, just... trying to demonstrate why we can't always see it. Most people are specifically trying to use an interchangable, non-specific word in quite good faith. Especially confusing when a Northern Irish candidate has been described, in the past, as an Irishman. On the official website, no less. |
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Not just outside England. There's a Geordie on my team held a grudge for a decade against a guy from the south for "accusing" him of being Scouse and no one from outside the Midlands seems to be able to tell Brummie from Black Country
Anyway back on topic: having just watched the last program, I'm beginning to like her. |
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No, but then their land mass isn't called England. It's called Great Britain, and I might call them British.
Ireland is the land-mass. Anything on it is, nominally, Irish. Just as anything on North America is, nominally, American. I don't think there are many people who wouldn't admit to having described a Canadian as "the American one" before. And that is comparable. Not living in Ireland (the land mass - although I was about to say it without clarifying! In this thread!) I think it's perhaps easier for us than for you to ignore the political ramifications of calling someone Irish. Which might be wrong of us, I don't know. I think it's more a blissful ignorance thing, like George says - to us, it's someone else's battle. Can't apologise for anyone else, but I doubt many of us have enough local knowledge to tell the two accents apart. If I mix it up myself, I'll apologise, but it's such an easy mistake to make, and it's not like people are walking around wearing flags. Type "Ireland" into google, and my top two results are... Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland Ireland is an island to the north-west of continental Europe. It is the third-largest island in Europe and the twentieth-largest island on Earth. To its east is the ... Republic of Ireland - History of Ireland - Counties of Ireland - Culture of Ireland Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland Location of Ireland (dark green). – in Europe (green & dark grey) – in the European Union (green) — [Legend]. Capital (and largest city), Dublin · 53°20.65′N ... Ireland the land-mass comes before Ireland or Northern Ireland the country, and I think that's how it works in a lot of Brits' heads, too. People who live on Ireland are types of Irish - and it's rare that we can tell which type just by listening, so using the broader term is both easier to say, and it doesn't narrow it down to any specific, potentially wrong, nationality. Clearly, this is one of those instances where it hasn't quite worked. Not defending the mistake, necessarily, just... trying to demonstrate why we can't always see it. Most people are specifically trying to use an interchangable, non-specific word in quite good faith. Especially confusing when a Northern Irish candidate has been described, in the past, as an Irishman. On the official website, no less. Are you a teacher ? ![]() Regarding the last sentence, James was from Co Derry and so obviously considers himself Irish. I was merely trying to point out that not everyone who lives on this island thinks of themselves as Irish. |
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![]() Regarding the last sentence, James was from Co Derry and so obviously considers himself Irish. The majority of the Northern Irish consider themselves British so the default "Irish" definition favoured on here is more likely to be wrong than right in individual cases. |
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Anyone else think she has a crush on Andrew.
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The majority of the Northern Irish consider themselves British
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No, she isn't necessarily Irish. Plenty of people live in Belfast and don't consider themselves Irish. Would you call a Scottish person English just because they live on the same bit of land mass ?
Yes, you're probably best to keep it simple for those who don't get that Northern Ireland and Eire have a border between the two countries, much like France and Spain. I have no personal axe to grind here, I am English and living in Northern Ireland. We do know there is a Border! we are not stupid, but the fact remains if you live on an Island then you take on the nationality of that Island, in this case, Ireland, it is not called the Britain and the Republic of Ireland, it is called Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, both Irish, simples
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That Irish girl is the most annoying girl who has ever been on the Apprentice, she is extremly mean to other people.
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That Irish girl is the most annoying girl who has ever been on the Apprentice, she is extremly mean to other people.
That said, she seems popular with the others, who are maybe seeing something we aren't. |
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