Patrick made the most mistakes on this task. SAS should of given Max a chance he could have been good

I think Patrick has more promise than Max.

how? we don.t know that he failed the task Max may have passed with flying colours and profit. we will never know...

Patrick was lucky, but Max should have gone. Came across as arrogant and to sell only £14, even on the market stall was always going to count against him. Patrick is on the brink at the moment.

After one episode:

Contenders

Maria (Did well and came up with legitimate points, would like to see her lead)
Andrew (Sold well at the car boot sale - solid start)
Steven (Outsold all the other boys 2:1 I think and made points to Patrick without coming across as a dick, unlike David)
Sean (Articulate and well-mannered, sold well)

Outsiders

David (Needs to stop being critical of the PM's every move and the sexist comments won't help, but did well otherwise)
Amy (Scariest candidate, but did well to sell to the guy with the girlfriend)
Ashleigh (Did alright, was good at the prudent spending, but spent selling day ready to scapegoat the supermarket team, room for improvement)

Unlikely Candidates

Patrick (Needs a few weeks under the radar, didn't do very well, lucky to survive)
Lucy (Not a good seller, ignored PM's advice, was defensive, lucky she was on the winning team)

Unknowns

Alice (Didn't do much, most wouldn't have noticed her)
Navdeep (More negative than positive, but mainly toneless, barely noticed her)

Seems as though the best performers in each team (Maria and Steven) switch teams next week, so it will be interesting.

Max was thinker and not a doer

Agree with you mostly, except I'd add Lucy to the unknowns - I have no idea who Alice is and I'm guessing Lucy is the dark haired girl? Yes I was watching!

er how do we know that... if that is the case his thought processes as a project manager could have exceptional.....some are born to lead and not to do......

Alice is the dark-haired girl who was selling with Amy and Navdeep. Lucy is the brown haired girl who didn't do well selling at the market stall.

LS in his summing up hinted that if this was the adult show then Patrick should have been fired because he was most responsible for the failure of the task, but he showed potential.

Although it should be noted LS does have a habit of fring the highly intelligent types on the first task on the adult versions.

Oh haha. Thanks!

His thought processes seemed to be entirely about rearranging the stock, folding it, refolding it and then moving it again. Anything to avoid selling. In his defence, he was probably either very shy, very nervous or both. He didn't show any leadership quality either, despite being made sub-team leader. Although the Patrick's decisions were catastrophic he had also driven the clothes selection process almost single handed so he did contribute positively. Unlike Maximilian.

And of course let's not forget that on Planet Sugar being a thinker is the worst sin there is, apart from having a qualification in thinking. So his card was marked from the start!

I disagree with the OP, I think Sugar made the right decision. Max didn't really do anything... a weak seller, hid behind arranging the stall which we all know is the way to get fired really early on.

Patrick completely messed up the task, but I really did like him - he's obviously quite bright, and I think he will take something from this and potentially could really shine in the other tasks. I really did not like David, but he didn't deserve to be fired in this task, he didn't really do anything wrong.

Is it just me, or was that the most enthusiastic response the returning candidates have ever had from the others at the end?

Patrick's over-expenditure on the alterations to the clothes and his decision to move from the shopping centre just as the crowds were increasing there were what lost them the task. He really should have gone, but I expected Max to be fired, because Sugar always prefers a leader who put a lot of effort in but screwed up to someone who stood there folding and re-folding clothes like someone with OCD. And he might have a point.

Must be just about. I think it was mostly for Patrick (surely they can't like that knob David?)

Disagree. The task is not just about selling.

Patrick contributed much much more than Max. He picked the stock for the selling team. Sold 3rd highest I think. And was also PM making the decisions.

Max did not much TBH from the edit we seen and just folded clothes. Plus did not have the guts to stand up and ask to be PM over Patrick.

However, that said Patrick was lucky Max was terrible as he did make mistakes throughout.

Max didn't do anything in the task so he deserved to get fired simples

Bad decision by Sugar.

Patrick made 3 massive errors in this task, which caused them to lose.

Spent silly money on tailoring.
Packed up at the busiest time.
Prioritised selling his ideas over anything else.

The only thing he had in his defence was that the team asked for his advice, based on his expert knowledge, in which half the time, he told them off and told them to do it themselves.

Take away the money lost on modifying the outfits and packing up the stall and you will find that Max out-sold Patrick, even with a measily £14.

Patrick's idea's were hideous as well.

Didn't Lord Sugar state at the begining of the task that they should "customise" some of the items though?

The thing is, Patrick was in his element in this task as it was about fashion (to an extent), he was like a pig in shit for the whole task. I'm glad he's still in so we can see him tackle other tasks and see if he'll be just as enthusiastic.

This is exactly what I think. Without these major errors the boys could easily have won. Whos fault is that...Not Maxes.

The trouble was - and this could have been poor editing - that Max came across as having quite poor interpersonal skills and as having hidden behind the need to fold clothes to avoid selling. Sralan has the gift of the gab and I don't think he can be doing with people like Max.

I don't agree that the failure of the task was down to Max, but he seemed as if he'd be more at home as a perpetual Oxford student who becomes a Professor. Not someone with good social skills who can deal comfortably with people from all walks of life.

Patrick's mistakes were catastrophic and were what lost them the task, regardless of what Max did or could have done on the stall. Patrick seems to be highly creative but without any business nous or sense, yet he was given the benefit of the doubt, whereas Max fell foul of one of Sugar's prejudices, without being given the benefit of the doubt or a chance to prove himself on another occasion. On the basis of that task, Patrick should have ben fired. However, if Max was to be fired, it would have been only fair for Patrick to have been also.

He wasn't shown to be doing much - but the show is edited, often to make the bits that do get shown match the firing.

However, AS has often shown his dislike of more academic candidates.

quoted for the truth.

I disagree. Max just tried to hide the whole way through the task, how many times to a pair of jeans needs to be folded?

Patrick came up with some ideas at least, better to try and fail than not try at all.