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Old 02-11-2012, 15:50
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The live shows have not increased the shows ratings - in fact the two shows this week only attracted 7,3m and a 2.7 demo in Weds and last night was down to 6.1m and 2.3 demo.

FOX have already renewed it for a third season (based on the above average demo) but what can they do to improve it?

The audience has dropped off in droves - The Voice is getting pretty much DOUBLE the XF ratings (both in viewers and demo) - is the "young, reality show" feel a turn off? Is it the judges or the contestants? The production?
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Old 02-11-2012, 15:53
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X Factor needs to worry about not hitting a 1. something in the demo now, lol
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Old 02-11-2012, 15:56
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Person Of Interest beat it. That says it all.
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Old 02-11-2012, 18:20
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I'm convinced it's the targeting of the young, pop market that's alienating the 25-49 year olds with Nielsen boxes.

A stereotypical 49 year old with kids would have been very turned off by that tacky first live show - and there's no going back.
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Old 02-11-2012, 18:28
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The first live show was a mess. The production was over the top. Fortunately, it's already been renewed but big changes need to happen next year.
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Old 02-11-2012, 18:43
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Person Of Interest beat it. That says it all.
Person of Interest is amaze. <3
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Old 02-11-2012, 18:46
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the show was commissioned for 3 seasons from the start apparently, the whole renewed for s3 is just spin, they cannot be happy with how it's performing given the amount of money spent on it, britney's 15m is the biggest waste of money, she was great during the auditions but she's like a zombie on the lives, the whole first ep was a disaster and the judging panel have zero chemistry, last years panel was much better and the judges actually interacted
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Old 02-11-2012, 18:49
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I'm convinced it's the targeting of the young, pop market that's alienating the 25-49 year olds with Nielsen boxes.

A stereotypical 49 year old with kids would have been very turned off by that tacky first live show - and there's no going back.
Exactly that. Older people will prefer the voice for obvious reasons. Younger people will be split, then the voice will be viewed and watched by more and bandwagon type domino effect occurs and the XF will begin to slide and slide.

The XF could have been great. But they've chopped and screwed about judges a lot. American idol has still got a lot of hardcore fans who really just stick with that for 1 year of similar type thing. Then the voice is on at the same time. It has no chance to do as well as it could in this format and climate.
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Old 02-11-2012, 19:26
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Our show is in crisis, and America is getting even lower ratings than ours? OMG.
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Old 02-11-2012, 19:30
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Holy Crap. Those ratings are *abysmal*.

Wonder if Fox are regretting their s3 renewal now. Are they able to renege? Does that ever happen?

I can imagine Simon is feeling a whole world of embarrassment today.

I find the whole thing painfully overproduced. You can barely hear the singing. Just because you have a silly big budget, doesn't mean you should put every penny ON stage. Brian Friedman produces some right old tosh with his productions sometimes.
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Old 02-11-2012, 20:22
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Holy Crap. Those ratings are *abysmal*.

Wonder if Fox are regretting their s3 renewal now. Are they able to renege? Does that ever happen?

I can imagine Simon is feeling a whole world of embarrassment today.

I find the whole thing painfully overproduced. You can barely hear the singing. Just because you have a silly big budget, doesn't mean you should put every penny ON stage. Brian Friedman produces some right old tosh with his productions sometimes.
I've just watched the first live show from this series and production wise it's worse than our version. Khloe's (one of the presenters) voice cuts through me like a knife; the talent is being overshadowed due to bad song choices and the panel is bland beyond measure.

To top it all, they're not learning from previous mistakes. I'll spoiler this part in case people are following the show at ITV2 pace...

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To be fair, the show has had a tough time of it through no fault of it's own with FOX pulling the most important show of the season (after the final results) halfway through and with NBC deciding the only way they can perform decently across the schedule is to shove The Voice in every available slot but they really haven't helped themselves.

In all honesty, I think the UK show only needs a couple of tweaks to stabilise it - the production is much better than last series and the panel is an improvement if not perfect. But the US version needs a complete overhaul.
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Old 02-11-2012, 20:32
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To be fair, the show has had a tough time of it through no fault of it's own with FOX pulling the most important show of the season (after the final results) halfway through and with NBC deciding the only way they can perform decently across the schedule is to shove The Voice in every available slot but they really haven't helped themselves.

In all honesty, I think the UK show only needs a couple of tweaks to stabilise it - the production is much better than last series and the panel is an improvement if not perfect. But the US version needs a complete overhaul.
I agree with you're entire post. The UK show is in a much better position than the US show and is far more entertaining in general. Simon has tried to translate the UK show to America but he's left out all the crucial parts that make it tolerable. There's no warmth or fun about the US version, the song choices/arrangements are dreadful, the audience in the live show studio is WAY too loud and Simon isn't as witty or charismatic as he used to be. They also cut the wrong contestants last night and in a way that left a bad taste. He's really getting it catastrophically wrong with the US version. I'm in disbelief sometimes at how badly he's cocking it up since he's had so much success with the show all over the world.
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Old 02-11-2012, 20:48
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I know it's extremely annoying when people say "I told you so"

But........

I told you so. I said this would happen even before the show started and it has happened.

I also know it's extremely annoying when people keep repeating themselves in various threads, but. I'll do it anyway.


It's extremely funny that Simon and the producers didn't learn anything from the first season. And at least the first season had same kinda ratings as The Voice. Now The Voice is kicking XFUS's arse

All the blame was put on Paula, Nicole and Steve. As if they were the reason they didn't get anywhere near 20 million viewers what is what they were hoping for.

So they get rid of them three, hire two artist that apeal to youngsters (pay the other waaaaay too much) and they paid no attention to the show itself, the overly produced live show numbers, the screaming audience who make it hard for us to hear the feedback from the judges. They start to focus more and more on the teens. What is that they hoped to achieve by doing that?

Press release after Season 3 confirmation:

"This season, Simon and the producers of THE X FACTOR took an already strong show and made it absolutely fantastic. The format changes are working, the contestants are unbelievably talented, and Britney and Demi – alongside Simon and L.A – have brought an incredibly fun new chemistry to the judges’ panel that our fans really love,” said Darnell. “We feel great about the show and I’m thrilled to bring it back next year for Season Three.”

Bit on Bold, YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listening to Britney's feedback to the acts on the live show made me wonder why on earth so many slammed Nicole last year? Compared to Britney she was BRILLIANT
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Old 02-11-2012, 20:49
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I agree with you're entire post. The UK show is in a much better position than the US show and is far more entertaining in general. Simon has tried to translate the UK show to America but he's left out all the crucial parts that make it tolerable. There's no warmth or fun about the US version, the song choices/arrangements are dreadful, the audience in the live show studio is WAY too loud and Simon isn't as witty or charismatic as he used to be. They also cut the wrong contestants last night and in a way that left a bad taste. He's really getting it catastrophically wrong with the US version. I'm in disbelief sometimes at how badly he's cocking it up since he's had so much success with the show all over the world.
...Oh and you forgot to mention that The Voice is vastly superior
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Old 02-11-2012, 20:59
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and Simon isn't as witty or charismatic as he used to be.
He was better first season......

I think all this is also because he can feel the rope around his neck getting tighter..... He's not stupid and he knows everything has gone downhill with Season 2. I don't think he even cares about one single act on the show, cause above all he is a business man..... And right now it's not looking good.

I remember him telling Oprah some years ago that he was bored out of his mind in his last AI season and it showed. He was more upbeat when he got out to do X Facotr. You could see the life in him again during auditions.

The same thing happened now with this Season 2. During auditions he was upbeat and witty. (because he probably thought all was good and this would be a hit)

But watching him doing this first live show was like someone sucked all life out of him. He knows the numbers are bad and his "the talent here is amazing" comment after horrific performances was a joke. The old Simon would have ripped those kind of performances to pieces on American Idol. But now we had to listen to him singing his praises....

How embarrasing....
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:08
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...Oh and you forgot to mention that The Voice is vastly superior
Nah I wouldn't say that. I think The Voice is seriously over rated and is pretty much the emperor's new clothes of tv talent shows. Worse still, I find the whole air surrounding it on how it's so "credible" obnoxious in the extreme. American Idol is still the king of these shows. The talent is unbeatable and the format is vastly superior.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:12
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Nah I wouldn't say that. I think The Voice is seriously over rated and is pretty much the emperor's new clothes of tv talent shows. Worse still, I find the whole air surrounding it on how it's so "credible" obnoxious in the extreme. American Idol is still the king of these shows. The talent is unbeatable and the format is vastly superior.
It must really pain you.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:21
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It must really pain you.
What must?
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:25
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Nah I wouldn't say that. I think The Voice is seriously over rated and is pretty much the emperor's new clothes of tv talent shows. Worse still, I find the whole air surrounding it on how it's so "credible" obnoxious in the extreme. American Idol is still the king of these shows. The talent is unbeatable and the format is vastly superior.
The Voice is great at the audition stage; it's fresh, innovative and intriguing as you can almost 'play along' on judging the vocals. After that point it becomes a bog standard singing show and Idol and The X Factor present the live stages much better - well, they used to anyway.

The US version is far superior to the UK version at the moment but maybe similar twists will be introduced to the UK version to try and keep viewing figures up.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:31
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Originally Posted by HughOS
The Voice is spiraling into flop territory. Those ratings might be good for NBC, the basket case of US networks but by any other standards they are a disappointment. It's a trend across the world with this crappy show. Not just a coincidence.

The tv landscape has changed, TXF US won't average 20 million, even Idol, one of the biggest shows in the US for the last ten years averaged just under that number this year. It will however do better than TV:US, which is on a sharp decline and has a lot of negativity surrounding it now that people realize what a sham the whole format is.

Simon knows what didn't work last year on TXF. He's refreshed the judges, brought in a lot more media buzz and goodwill by casting Britney and Demi. Fox knows how to make good programs that appeal to audiences, that's why they are regularly the #1 broadcaster in the states, while NBC lags in last place.
And let's not forget this classic prediction:


Originally Posted by HughOS
It won't. The Voice is going to crash and burn hard this autumn again. Airing two cycles is a bad decision, especially since the last one was so badly received.

It's typical of NBC to try and milk it with no foresight to rebuilding their trainwreck schedule. The Voice was supposed to be a contender to American Idol, we all know how that ended. Now it's backing off and trying to take out the perceived weaker competition in TXF, but Simon and Fox aren't stupid.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...t=k2ray&page=2
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:33
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I've just watched the first live show from this series and production wise it's worse than our version. Khloe's (one of the presenters) voice cuts through me like a knife; the talent is being overshadowed due to bad song choices and the panel is bland beyond measure.

To top it all, they're not learning from previous mistakes.


In all honesty, I think the UK show only needs a couple of tweaks to stabilise it - the production is much better than last series and the panel is an improvement if not perfect. But the US version needs a complete overhaul.
I'm convinced it's the targeting of the young, pop market that's alienating the 25-49 year olds with Nielsen boxes.


I agree with all of these statements. The UK version really only needs tweak (find the right panel of judges). The production is much better than USXF (The UKXF strikes a tone that is somewhere between Idol & USXF, leaning more towards Idol). This is what USXF should have tried for- but continue to fail as they try too hard to be different from Idol. The problem is in the process they throw out all of the elements of Idol that work.


Problems with XF:
1) Incapable of making even remotely intelligent decisions when it comes to picking judges.
LA Reid- aweful
Demi- bad choice as well, also no one over 30 really even knows who she is. Nor is she someone they would enjoy getting to know (or tune in to get to know her).
Britney- Not as bad as I thought- in that she at least provides the views with a little of "she is more mature that I expected, etc). But end the end she is just not that interesting.
So 3 strikes with the Judges (to follow the 3 strikes from last year- Paula, Nicole, LA). They choices from both years are especially bad when it comes to attracting the 25-49 demo.

Who would work? I still say a great panel would be:
Simon
Shania Twain agressive, good looking, country-pop crossover appeal, someone who most demographic would be comfortable viewing.
Cheryl Cole (yes- US audience would love tuning in to see her and get to know her. She has the it factor, would love her accent, quirky sayings, looks, etc. Overall she would be someone different that viewer like.
Enrique Iglesias- Would also be comfortable with most demographics (and the older women would love him and find him charming). He seems to be someone who would suprise viewers by having more to his personality that expected. I think viewers would find him straight forward & candid, without being boring.

This panel would be a good balance of demographics- without being too young & each one viewers would tune in to watch- in addition to the contestants.

2) Presenters- still have not got that right. I don't think 2 is a good idea. CK is not a good choice, and Mario Lopez is at first, but I think will quickly turn out to be a bad choice. He comes off as too cheesy over the long run, but better than CK.

3) Voice Over/ announcer- Aweful, sounds more like a cheap boxing or wrestling announcer.

4) Production- songs are over-produced and a general mood that is somewhat cold, rushed, etc.

5) Contestants- too many really young contestants (makes it feel more like a star seach type of show). 20-27 males tend to win Idol- which means they are popular with viewers. Yet both years this bracket is basically non-existing. The typical Idol winner- has really never even been on the show.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:37
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The X Factor present the live stages much better - well, they used to anyway.
The X factor US is going to get crushed next week (in the ratings) when both shows are live in their head to head-that's common knowledge.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:39
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Your spot on predictions of course



And let's not forget this classic prediction:




http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...t=k2ray&page=2
Wow, you've been holding on to that for a while huh? I won't deny that the Voice has been more successful than I expected, but it hasn't aired any live shows this cycle yet and that is where it has fallen apart in all other versions. But it has performed better than I thought on NBC and X Factor is flopping. Another point to consider is that The Voice has yet to produce any artist to have any degree of success whatsoever. In fact all of the contestants so far have bombed post show, moreso than XF acts. How long are people going to continue bothering with a show that has nothing to show for itself?
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:41
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Nah I wouldn't say that. I think The Voice is seriously over rated and is pretty much the emperor's new clothes of tv talent shows. Worse still, I find the whole air surrounding it on how it's so "credible" obnoxious in the extreme. American Idol is still the king of these shows. The talent is unbeatable and the format is vastly superior.
I pretty much agree. One thing that I think gets overlooked about The Voice- is the credit the judging panel should get for its contribution to the shows popularity. Others may disagree, but I think with I bad panel (Like the ones XFUS as had) the show would have been a flop.

The Voice really isnt some great format- it tends to drag & there is almost zero investment in the contestants by the viewers. The format just doesn't provide the connection. But they hit it out of the park when it came to picking the right blend of judges. Too bad USXF has not picked up on this and put smarter people to the task of choosing the right blend.

One other thing the Voice got right- it is not over-produced in the way USXF is.
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Old 02-11-2012, 21:43
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I'm watching the first live show on itv2 +1 as I missed the start, so I haven't seen much yet. My two biggest problems so far :

- I can barely hear the contestants in their vt clips. The sound mixing is terrible!

- my god Mario is cheesy. I don't ever remember him talking in that weird slowed-down accent before.
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